W's legacy sends love

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The Black Bush "is" doing the same thing the white Bush "was" doing.....................................

[AZGrizFan]

The Black Bush "is" doing the same thing the white Bush "was" doing.....................................

Mmmmm.....I love me some black bush....

[native]

Hmmm. And I remember McCain calling Obama "naive" for wanting to bomb Pakistan whether or not they approve.

Thank god we elected someone strong on defense.

On Defense, Obama = Bush

Obama's unintentional and unavoidable imitation of key points of Bush's defense policies may be flattering, and more importantly good for homeland security of the United States, but the copy is a cheap fake.

Morale at the CIA is at an all time low, while counterproductive political correctness is at an all time high. Vision and leadership are non-existent. The obvious turf wars and organizational dysfunction on the health care debate are going on in spades behind the scenes in the intelligence and homeland security establishments.

Obama himself flip-flopped continuously for a week in trying to find the right political tone for his responses to the Christmas bomber. Dennis Blair's admission this week that he wasn't brought into Eric Holder's loop in the decision to mirandize the Christmas terrorist and try him as a common criminal further emphasizes the already painfully obvious lack of cohesion, competence and leadership in Obama's homeland security team, starting with the still naive, incompetent and hyper-politicized Campaigner-in-Chief.

[houndawg]

On Defense, Obama = Bush

Obama's unintentional and unavoidable imitation of key points of Bush's defense policies may be flattering, and more importantly good for homeland security of the United States, but the copy is a cheap fake.

Morale at the CIA is at an all time low, while counterproductive political correctness is at an all time high. Vision and leadership are non-existent. The obvious turf wars and organizational dysfunction on the health care debate are going on in spades behind the scenes in the intelligence and homeland security establishments.

Obama himself flip-flopped continuously for a week in trying to find the right political tone for his responses to the Christmas bomber. Dennis Blair's admission this week that he wasn't brought into Eric Holder's loop in the decision to mirandize the Christmas terrorist and try him as a common criminal further emphasizes the already painfully obvious lack of cohesion, competence and leadership in Obama's homeland security team, starting with the still naive, incompetent and hyper-politicized Campaigner-in-Chief.

No shit, Sherlock? What, you expect morale to be high at the CIA when their operatives are being exposed by the people they were supposed to working for? I'd be mighty surprised if they weren't having a hard time recruiting competent talent after the treasonous debacle of the Plame affair. I sure as hell wouldn't want any of my loved ones serving in an agency where you never know when the VPs office will be dropping your name to the press and getting your contacts, if not yourself, killed.

[GannonFan]

No ****, Sherlock? What, you expect morale to be high at the CIA when their operatives are being exposed by the people they were supposed to working for? I'd be mighty surprised if they weren't having a hard time recruiting competent talent after the treasonous debacle of the Plame affair. I sure as hell wouldn't want any of my loved ones serving in an agency where you never know when the VPs office will be dropping your name to the press and getting your contacts, if not yourself, killed.

Seriously, you honestly believe that the Plame affair is the primary reason for low morale at the CIA? That might be the first time I've ever heard anyone make that connection between the two.

[native]

Obama's unintentional and unavoidable imitation of key points of Bush's defense policies may be flattering, and more importantly good for homeland security of the United States, but the copy is a cheap fake.

Morale at the CIA is at an all time low, while counterproductive political correctness is at an all time high. Vision and leadership are non-existent. The obvious turf wars and organizational dysfunction on the health care debate are going on in spades behind the scenes in the intelligence and homeland security establishments.

Obama himself flip-flopped continuously for a week in trying to find the right political tone for his responses to the Christmas bomber. Dennis Blair's admission this week that he wasn't brought into Eric Holder's loop in the decision to mirandize the Christmas terrorist and try him as a common criminal further emphasizes the already painfully obvious lack of cohesion, competence and leadership in Obama's homeland security team, starting with the still naive, incompetent and hyper-politicized Campaigner-in-Chief.

No ****, Sherlock? What, you expect morale to be high at the CIA when their operatives are being exposed by the people they were supposed to working for? I'd be mighty surprised if they weren't having a hard time recruiting competent talent after the treasonous debacle of the Plame affair. I sure as hell wouldn't want any of my loved ones serving in an agency where you never know when the VPs office will be dropping your name to the press and getting your contacts, if not yourself, killed.

Until you have something substantial to offer, pop a few more pills and crawl back into the bottle.

[BDKJMU]

Obama's unintentional and unavoidable imitation of key points of Bush's defense policies may be flattering, and more importantly good for homeland security of the United States, but the copy is a cheap fake.

Morale at the CIA is at an all time low, while counterproductive political correctness is at an all time high. Vision and leadership are non-existent. The obvious turf wars and organizational dysfunction on the health care debate are going on in spades behind the scenes in the intelligence and homeland security establishments.

Obama himself flip-flopped continuously for a week in trying to find the right political tone for his responses to the Christmas bomber. Dennis Blair's admission this week that he wasn't brought into Eric Holder's loop in the decision to mirandize the Christmas terrorist and try him as a common criminal further emphasizes the already painfully obvious lack of cohesion, competence and leadership in Obama's homeland security team, starting with the still naive, incompetent and hyper-politicized Campaigner-in-Chief.

No ****, Sherlock? What, you expect morale to be high at the CIA when their operatives are being exposed by the people they were supposed to working for? I'd be mighty surprised if they weren't having a hard time recruiting competent talent after the treasonous debacle of the Plame affair. I sure as hell wouldn't want any of my loved ones serving in an agency where you never know when the VPs office will be dropping your name to the press and getting your contacts, if not yourself, killed.

Richard Armitage was the leaker, he didn't work for the VP's office, and Plame wasn't a covert operative.

[Ibanez]

Apparently Osama bin Laden has sent a new video taking credit for the "Christmas Bomber" and says not to worry he'll be sending more. Good job, George.

Dead or Alive.

Well, it's nice to be given a heads up.

[OSBF]

George isn't president anymore. It's YOUR hero who can't catch him now.

But at least he is closer to the right country.

dubbyah had it right, wasn't Iraq directly responsible for 9/11?

they surely wouldn't lie to us about something that impotant.

[houndawg]

No ****, Sherlock? What, you expect morale to be high at the CIA when their operatives are being exposed by the people they were supposed to working for? I'd be mighty surprised if they weren't having a hard time recruiting competent talent after the treasonous debacle of the Plame affair. I sure as hell wouldn't want any of my loved ones serving in an agency where you never know when the VPs office will be dropping your name to the press and getting your contacts, if not yourself, killed.

Richard Armitage was the leaker, he didn't work for the VP's office, and Plame wasn't a covert operative.

The CIA says Plame was covert. Do you believe the CIA or do you hate America? Scooter Libby did work for the VPs office and took the hit for Cheney.

[houndawg]

Apparently Osama bin Laden has sent a new video taking credit for the "Christmas Bomber" and says not to worry he'll be sending more. Good job, George.

Dead or Alive.

Well, it's nice to be given a heads up.

He's always been good about giving us a heads up. Unfortunately W's crowd wasn't so good about responding to FBI reports of middle-eastern flight students that weren't interested in the landing part of their flight training.

Once again a Democrat will spend his Presidency cleaning up after another Republican Decade of Debacle.

[houndawg]

Well, it's nice to be given a heads up.

He's always been good about giving us a heads up. Unfortunately W's crowd wasn't so good about responding to FBI reports of middle-eastern flight students that weren't interested in the landing part of their flight training.

Once again a Democrat will spend his Presidency cleaning up after another Republican Decade of Debacle.

What the GOPinheads have to watch out for is Obama only serving one term and the GOPinheads getting the results of their abject incompetence handed right back to them on 2012.[/quote]

[BDKJMU]

Richard Armitage was the leaker, he didn't work for the VP's office, and Plame wasn't a covert operative.

The CIA says Plame was covert. Do you believe the CIA or do you hate America? Scooter Libby did work for the VPs office and took the hit for Cheney.

Again, are you that thick Scooter Libby wasn't the leaker. Libby was convicted of one count of obstruction, two counts of perjury and one count of lying to the FBI about how he learned Plame’s identity and whom he told. It was Richard Armitage of the State Dept who 1st leaked to Robert Novak that Plame was a CIA employee. Armitage admittted it. And he was never charged, because under the LEGAL definition Plame's status wasn't "covert" as defined by the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

Legal issues relating to the CIA leak scandal
"....The summary described above was provided to the defense along with a companion summary that defined a “covert” CIA employee as a “CIA employee whose employment is not publicly acknowledged by the CIA or the employee.” It is important to bear in mind that the IIPA defines “covert agent” differently. It states: “The term ‘covert agent’ means— (A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency . . . (i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and (ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States.” The CIA summary of Ms. Wilson’s employment history claims that she “engaged in temporary duty (TDY) travel overseas on official business,” though it does not say whether such travel in fact occurred within the last five years. Further, it is not clear that engaging in temporary duty travel overseas would make a CIA employee who is based in Washington eligible for protection under the IIPA. In fact, it seems more likely that the CIA employee would have to have been stationed outside the United States to trigger the protection of the statute. To our knowledge, the meaning of the phrase “served outside the United States” in the IIPA has never been litigated. Thus, whether Ms. Wilson was covered by the IIPA remains very much in doubt, especially given the sparse nature of the record....

Other testimony
Attorneys Mark Zaid and Victoria Toensing also testified before the committee. Each testified that Plame may not have been covert under the IIPA, and that the legal definition is more narrow than the general CIA designation. Zaid told the committee, "Mrs. Toensing is absolutely correct with many of her questions with respect to the Intelligence Identities Act, which has a very exacting standard. Mrs. Plame, as she indicated, was covert. That's a distinction between possibly under the Intelligence Identities Act, and that classified information was leaked. And the question then is it of a criminal magnitude versus something less than that and these could be any number of penalties."

The only CIA employee on who came out and publicly stated she was covert was the DCI Hayden's public affairs officer.

"Reaction to hearing
According to Robert Novak, Rep. Peter Hoekstra and Hayden were in a conference together five days after the committee hearing. Novak reported that Hayden "did not answer whether Plame was covert under the terms of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act" when pressed by Hoekstra.[176] Novak reported on April 12, 2007 that:
Hayden indicated to me he had not authorized Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman to say Plame had been a "covert" CIA employee, as he claimed Hayden did, but only that she was "undercover" ... I obtained Waxman's talking points for the hearing. The draft typed after the Hayden-Waxman conversation said, "Ms. Wilson had a career as an undercover agent of the CIA." This was crossed out, the hand-printed change saying she 'was a covert employee of the CIA' ... Hayden told me that the talking points were edited by a CIA lawyer after conferring with Waxman's staff. "I am completely comfortable with that," the general assured me. He added he now sees no difference between "covert" and "undercover" ... Mark Mansfield, Hayden's public affairs officer, next e-mailed me: "At CIA, you are either a covert or an overt employee. Ms. Wilson was a covert employee" ... On March 21, Hoekstra again requested that the CIA define Plame's status. A written reply April 5 from Christopher J. Walker, the CIA's director of congressional affairs, said only that 'it is taking longer than expected' to reply because of "the considerable legal complexity required for this tasking....."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01788.html

[Gil Dobie]

The CIA says Plame was covert. Do you believe the CIA or do you hate America? Scooter Libby did work for the VPs office and took the hit for Cheney.

Again, are you that thick Scooter Libby wasn't the leaker. Libby was convicted of one count of obstruction, two counts of perjury and one count of lying to the FBI about how he learned Plame’s identity and whom he told. It was Richard Armitage of the State Dept who 1st leaked to Robert Novak that Plame was a CIA employee. Armitage admittted it. And he was never charged, because under the LEGAL definition Plame's status wasn't "covert" as defined by the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

Legal issues relating to the CIA leak scandal
"....The summary described above was provided to the defense along with a companion summary that defined a “covert” CIA employee as a “CIA employee whose employment is not publicly acknowledged by the CIA or the employee.” It is important to bear in mind that the IIPA defines “covert agent” differently. It states: “The term ‘covert agent’ means— (A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency . . . (i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and (ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States.” The CIA summary of Ms. Wilson’s employment history claims that she “engaged in temporary duty (TDY) travel overseas on official business,” though it does not say whether such travel in fact occurred within the last five years. Further, it is not clear that engaging in temporary duty travel overseas would make a CIA employee who is based in Washington eligible for protection under the IIPA. In fact, it seems more likely that the CIA employee would have to have been stationed outside the United States to trigger the protection of the statute. To our knowledge, the meaning of the phrase “served outside the United States” in the IIPA has never been litigated. Thus, whether Ms. Wilson was covered by the IIPA remains very much in doubt, especially given the sparse nature of the record....

Other testimony
Attorneys Mark Zaid and Victoria Toensing also testified before the committee. Each testified that Plame may not have been covert under the IIPA, and that the legal definition is more narrow than the general CIA designation. Zaid told the committee, "Mrs. Toensing is absolutely correct with many of her questions with respect to the Intelligence Identities Act, which has a very exacting standard. Mrs. Plame, as she indicated, was covert. That's a distinction between possibly under the Intelligence Identities Act, and that classified information was leaked. And the question then is it of a criminal magnitude versus something less than that and these could be any number of penalties."

The only CIA employee on who came out and publicly stated she was covert was the DCI Hayden's public affairs officer.

"Reaction to hearing
According to Robert Novak, Rep. Peter Hoekstra and Hayden were in a conference together five days after the committee hearing. Novak reported that Hayden "did not answer whether Plame was covert under the terms of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act" when pressed by Hoekstra.[176] Novak reported on April 12, 2007 that:
Hayden indicated to me he had not authorized Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman to say Plame had been a "covert" CIA employee, as he claimed Hayden did, but only that she was "undercover" ... I obtained Waxman's talking points for the hearing. The draft typed after the Hayden-Waxman conversation said, "Ms. Wilson had a career as an undercover agent of the CIA." This was crossed out, the hand-printed change saying she 'was a covert employee of the CIA' ... Hayden told me that the talking points were edited by a CIA lawyer after conferring with Waxman's staff. "I am completely comfortable with that," the general assured me. He added he now sees no difference between "covert" and "undercover" ... Mark Mansfield, Hayden's public affairs officer, next e-mailed me: "At CIA, you are either a covert or an overt employee. Ms. Wilson was a covert employee" ... On March 21, Hoekstra again requested that the CIA define Plame's status. A written reply April 5 from Christopher J. Walker, the CIA's director of congressional affairs, said only that 'it is taking longer than expected' to reply because of "the considerable legal complexity required for this tasking....."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01788.html

But Houndawg repeated it over and over, so it must be true.

[houndawg]

The CIA says Plame was covert. Do you believe the CIA or do you hate America? Scooter Libby did work for the VPs office and took the hit for Cheney.

Again, are you that thick Scooter Libby wasn't the leaker. Libby was convicted of one count of obstruction, two counts of perjury and one count of lying to the FBI about how he learned Plame’s identity and whom he told. It was Richard Armitage of the State Dept who 1st leaked to Robert Novak that Plame was a CIA employee. Armitage admittted it. And he was never charged, because under the LEGAL definition Plame's status wasn't "covert" as defined by the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

Legal issues relating to the CIA leak scandal
"....The summary described above was provided to the defense along with a companion summary that defined a “covert” CIA employee as a “CIA employee whose employment is not publicly acknowledged by the CIA or the employee.” It is important to bear in mind that the IIPA defines “covert agent” differently. It states: “The term ‘covert agent’ means— (A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency . . . (i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and (ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States.” The CIA summary of Ms. Wilson’s employment history claims that she “engaged in temporary duty (TDY) travel overseas on official business,” though it does not say whether such travel in fact occurred within the last five years. Further, it is not clear that engaging in temporary duty travel overseas would make a CIA employee who is based in Washington eligible for protection under the IIPA. In fact, it seems more likely that the CIA employee would have to have been stationed outside the United States to trigger the protection of the statute. To our knowledge, the meaning of the phrase “served outside the United States” in the IIPA has never been litigated. Thus, whether Ms. Wilson was covered by the IIPA remains very much in doubt, especially given the sparse nature of the record....

Other testimony
Attorneys Mark Zaid and Victoria Toensing also testified before the committee. Each testified that Plame may not have been covert under the IIPA, and that the legal definition is more narrow than the general CIA designation. Zaid told the committee, "Mrs. Toensing is absolutely correct with many of her questions with respect to the Intelligence Identities Act, which has a very exacting standard. Mrs. Plame, as she indicated, was covert. That's a distinction between possibly under the Intelligence Identities Act, and that classified information was leaked. And the question then is it of a criminal magnitude versus something less than that and these could be any number of penalties."

The only CIA employee on who came out and publicly stated she was covert was the DCI Hayden's public affairs officer.

"Reaction to hearing
According to Robert Novak, Rep. Peter Hoekstra and Hayden were in a conference together five days after the committee hearing. Novak reported that Hayden "did not answer whether Plame was covert under the terms of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act" when pressed by Hoekstra.[176] Novak reported on April 12, 2007 that:
Hayden indicated to me he had not authorized Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman to say Plame had been a "covert" CIA employee, as he claimed Hayden did, but only that she was "undercover" ... I obtained Waxman's talking points for the hearing. The draft typed after the Hayden-Waxman conversation said, "Ms. Wilson had a career as an undercover agent of the CIA." This was crossed out, the hand-printed change saying she 'was a covert employee of the CIA' ... Hayden told me that the talking points were edited by a CIA lawyer after conferring with Waxman's staff. "I am completely comfortable with that," the general assured me. He added he now sees no difference between "covert" and "undercover" ... Mark Mansfield, Hayden's public affairs officer, next e-mailed me: "At CIA, you are either a covert or an overt employee. Ms. Wilson was a covert employee" ... On March 21, Hoekstra again requested that the CIA define Plame's status. A written reply April 5 from Christopher J. Walker, the CIA's director of congressional affairs, said only that 'it is taking longer than expected' to reply because of "the considerable legal complexity required for this tasking....."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01788.html

Well shucks, why didn't you tell us that the DCI's public affairs officer doesn't speak for the DCI?

[CID1990]

I thought we hashed this out ad nauseum a few months ago.

Valerie Plame did have a cover, but then ALL CIA analysts have a cover. She was not an operations officer. Plus, her cover was already blown and known.

[Wedgebuster]

Lets see what Obama has copied Bush on:

1. Predator drone attacks
2. Wiretapping
3. Email intercepts
4. "Prolonged" detention
5. Rendition
6. Signing off on three Patriot Act powers that were going to sunset out.
7. Surge in troop levels.
8. Kept Gitmo open

Now let's see what Obama has not copied Bush on:

[youtube][/youtube]

[BDKJMU]

Lets see what Obama has copied Bush on:

1. Predator drone attacks
2. Wiretapping
3. Email intercepts
4. "Prolonged" detention
5. Rendition
6. Signing off on three Patriot Act powers that were going to sunset out.
7. Surge in troop levels.
8. Kept Gitmo open

Now let's see what Obama has not copied Bush on:

[youtube][/youtube]

You're right. Obama has made Bush look like a genius.
[youtube][/youtube]

[BDKJMU]

Oh, wait, there's more
[youtube][/youtube]

[BDKJMU]

Oh, and another one:
[youtube][/youtube]

[SeattleGriz]

Lets see what Obama has copied Bush on:

1. Predator drone attacks
2. Wiretapping
3. Email intercepts
4. "Prolonged" detention
5. Rendition
6. Signing off on three Patriot Act powers that were going to sunset out.
7. Surge in troop levels.
8. Kept Gitmo open

Now let's see what Obama has not copied Bush on:

[youtube][/youtube]

Thanks Wedge for proving my point! Obama copied a retard because he couldn't come up with anything better. Although we sure did hear about it on the campaign trail...via teleprompter.

Neener neener, you ain't got a weiner!

[native]

I knew all along that Obama was something of an empty suit, but even in my most drunken stupor I did not dream a year ago that Obama would perform so poorly in his first year of office as to make George Bush actually look good.

[Gil Dobie]

I knew all along that Obama was something of an empty suit, but even in my most drunken stupor I did not dream a year ago that Obama would perform so poorly in his first year of office as to make George Bush actually look good.

With the quality of the Goody-two-shoes, goofy, PC Presidential Candidates we've had the last 20 years, I'm not surprised. McCain would have looked bad too, Gore still acts dopey, and Kerry always will.