Roe v Wade Anniversary

[93henfan]

I guess you didn't know that a majority of the people in this country believe abortion is murder.

I won't dispute that, but do you have a link to the source scientific survey? I'd like to read about it.

[Ibanez]

All the loose women and best lays are at the abortion clinic. That's where i do my trawling for tang on a Friday night.

[ASUMountaineer]

All the loose women and best lays are at the abortion clinic. That's where i do my trawling for tang on a Friday night.

You are so gay.

[Ibanez]

All the loose women and best lays are at the abortion clinic. That's where i do my trawling for tang on a Friday night.

You are so gay.

I'm gonna fuck you up Squidbillie.

[ASUMountaineer]

You are so gay.

I'm gonna **** you up Squidbillie.

[Grizalltheway]

You are so gay.

I'm gonna fuck you up Squidbillie.

Go on, bust a nut in granny's mouth!

[native]

All the loose women and best lays are at the abortion clinic. That's where i do my trawling for tang on a Friday night.

Easy, maybe, but best?!??

You have been missin' out, brotha!

[89Hen]

What would you call it? I would definitely consider it a medical procedure in that situation.

This isn't just about you Hen, that's what you're missing. I understand you don't have a problem with the .05%, neither do I. But, if you're going to say it's 1) not a medical procedure, and 2) murder (killing)...then you pretty much have screwed that .05% you are ok with.

I was talking about calling it a medical procedure for the 99.95%, not the 0.05%.

When somebody kills somebody in self-defense, it is not called murder. It's called self-defense. Same goes here. Or were you worried about the 0.05% feeling bad because for the 99.95% it's called murder?

[89Hen]

I won't dispute that, but do you have a link to the source scientific survey? I'd like to read about it.

See Joltin Joe's post above. There have been a couple polls done that show the tide is turning. It doesn't get much press, but we all know why that is... but that's for another thread.

[ASUMountaineer]

What would you call it? I would definitely consider it a medical procedure in that situation.

This isn't just about you Hen, that's what you're missing. I understand you don't have a problem with the .05%, neither do I. But, if you're going to say it's 1) not a medical procedure, and 2) murder (killing)...then you pretty much have screwed that .05% you are ok with.

I was talking about calling it a medical procedure for the 99.95%, not the 0.05%.

And, I was talking about it being a medical procedure for the .05%, not the 99.95%...but, you quoted my post. So, I assumed you were responding to my point...

When somebody kills somebody in self-defense, it is not called murder. It's called self-defense. Same goes here. Or were you worried about the 0.05% feeling bad because for the 99.95% it's called murder?

Again, I was discussing my family in the small chance that my wife could die if she carried the baby to term. I don't care if you (or anyone else) would call it murder or not.

You must have missed where I said Roe v. Wade is bad case law. However, I would much prefer to discuss the reality of it being a "medical procedure" in the .05% of cases (which I was discussing) with a doctor and my family, than an elected politician. You can take the politician if you want.

[89Hen]

Again, I was discussing my family in the small chance that my wife could die if she carried the baby to term. I don't care if you (or anyone else) would call it murder or not.

You must have missed where I said Roe v. Wade is bad case law. However, I would much prefer to discuss the reality of it being a "medical procedure" in the .05% of cases (which I was discussing) with a doctor and my family, than an elected politician. You can take the politician if you want.

I think we agree that the 0.05% is not murder. I've never said it was. However, politics NOR religion ever enters my mind when discussing this.

[ASUMountaineer]

Again, I was discussing my family in the small chance that my wife could die if she carried the baby to term. I don't care if you (or anyone else) would call it murder or not.

You must have missed where I said Roe v. Wade is bad case law. However, I would much prefer to discuss the reality of it being a "medical procedure" in the .05% of cases (which I was discussing) with a doctor and my family, than an elected politician. You can take the politician if you want.

I think we agree that the 0.05% is not murder. I've never said it was. However, politics NOR religion ever enters my mind when discussing this.

Politics will have to enter your mind if you support adding restrictions to abortions...who else can?

I understand you didn't say you called the .05% murder, but you did say it is not a medical procedure...still not sure what else you could call it. I believe you said, "self-defense." However, the mother isn't actually performing the abortion in that sense, so I still think it has to be a medical procedure.

[89Hen]

Politics will have to enter your mind if you support adding restrictions to abortions...who else can?

I understand you didn't say you called the .05% murder, but you did say it is not a medical procedure...still not sure what else you could call it. I believe you said, "self-defense." However, the mother isn't actually performing the abortion in that sense, so I still think it has to be a medical procedure.

No, we had a misunderstanding. I don't care what you call the 0.05%. If you want to call it a medical procedure, that's fine. I was taking exception because I thought you were call all abortions a medical procedure.

As for politics, I honestly don't know what would have to happen for it to come back up to the SCOTUS or for it to come up in the Legislative Branch. It is sad that judges are appointed by politicians... kind of renders the checks and balances worthless except for the fact that any one sitting Prez can't nominate too many in one term.

[catamount man]

50 million untaxed aborted fetuses=reason why social security is drying up. Do the math.

So you want more competition for a job?

...and we should crminalize because we can't collect taxes from the aborted persons? Great...put a tax on abortion then....

I never said one thing about taxes. I was simply stating that 50 million people didn't get to put anything towards SS, so no wonder it's shrinking. nothing more, nothing less FRANCIS!

[ASUMountaineer]

Politics will have to enter your mind if you support adding restrictions to abortions...who else can?

I understand you didn't say you called the .05% murder, but you did say it is not a medical procedure...still not sure what else you could call it. I believe you said, "self-defense." However, the mother isn't actually performing the abortion in that sense, so I still think it has to be a medical procedure.

No, we had a misunderstanding. I don't care what you call the 0.05%. If you want to call it a medical procedure, that's fine. I was taking exception because I thought you were call all abortions a medical procedure.

As for politics, I honestly don't know what would have to happen for it to come back up to the SCOTUS or for it to come up in the Legislative Branch. It is sad that judges are appointed by politicians... kind of renders the checks and balances worthless except for the fact that any one sitting Prez can't nominate too many in one term.

Agreed. It will be hard for it to be challenged, especially as the SCOTUS has to agree to even hear the case. My guess is, even with this SCOTUS, they would deny cert. With that said, you're right...it makes sense now that we misunderstood each other.

[CID1990]

Our government does legislate morality. There is a consensus view that murder is wrong and therefore it is illegal. There is not a consensus view on abortion.

And hopefully that is changing.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/27820.html

Maybe it is.

It doesn't change the fact that I believe government has no business being involved in it.

Consider this: When abortion rights activists were having their heyday and Roe vs. Wade came down from the Supreme Court, most conservatives were arguing that abortion was a state's rights issue and the Federal government had no business being involved. Roe vs. Wade has been the biggest catalyst for state's rights arguments since the Civil War.

If the pendulum swings back and we find ourselves in a country where the vast majority of people lean pro-life, then those very same people who argued that the Federal government should stay out of abortion and leave it to the state will be the ones arguing that the Federal government should outlaw the practice.

Mark my words.

[Pwns]

What irks me about the abortion debate is the use of the terms "legislating morality" and "imposing your beliefs upon other people". That's such sloppy, fallacious thinking.

There are some that would believe that they are justified in breaking into your house while you are not home and stealing your big screen TV to sell it because you have more than enough to provide for your basic necessities and they (the thief) cannot afford to put food on their table. If you believe the government should prosecute those caught doing that, are you not "imposing your morality on someone that thinks differently than you"?

Are you not also "imposing your morality" when you force businesses not to discriminate on the basis of skin color in hiring or when you force them to serve all customers regardless of race?

Moral relativity is a logical fallacy and does not a good argument make. If the government did not prohibit behaviors because some believed it to not be wrong then where the f$%^ would we be?

[D1B]

Abortion is here to stay. Women are rapidly taking over the world. look at college grad rates and you'll see the future. They don't have the problem with abortion like men do, cuz they are the ones who suffer from child bearing.

Abortion will also be relatively non existent in the future as contraception becomes more available, more convenient and more effective. Women are taking shit that causes them to have a couple periods a year. The morning after pill is a trip to the drugstore away for any chick over the age of 17.

Joltin Joke can moralize all he wants and fallaciously claim that women are all of a sudden realizing the "wisdom" of the catholics, or that life is so fucking precious, but the reality is birth control, chemistry, medicine, big pharma and demand from women are driving the concept of abortion into the past, not catholic or pro life dogma.

God bless abortion.

[JoltinJoe]

Abortion is here to stay. Women are rapidly taking over the world. look at college grad rates and you'll see the future. They don't have the problem with abortion like men do, cuz they are the ones who suffer from child bearing.

Abortion will also be relatively non existent in the future as contraception becomes more available, more convenient and more effective. Women are taking **** that causes them to have a couple periods a year. The morning after pill is a trip to the drugstore away for any chick over the age of 17.

Joltin Joke can moralize all he wants and fallaciously claim that women are all of a sudden realizing the "wisdom" of the catholics, or that life is so **** precious, but the reality is birth control, chemistry, medicine, big pharma and demand from women are driving the concept of abortion into the past, not catholic or pro life dogma.

God bless abortion.

How about the fact that the "Plan B" commercial is grossly misleading? I saw it last night before the "Lost" episode (I'm not sure if it was being shown on on ABC or the station previously set) and was shocked to see that it claimed that "Plan B" worked by stopping pregnancy from happening.

That is true only in some cases. "Plan B" can work by preventing an egg from being released from the ovary, thus preventing conception. But the other way it works is, after conception, by preventing an already fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. After conception but before the zygote (or morula, since it has already divded by then) settles in the uterus, Plan B induces a discharge that includes the fertilized egg. That's an abortion.

It's nice that we can still count on the pro-choice minority to continue to feed lies to the American public. I suspect the lies will become larger and larger as you become increasingly irrelevant.

[catamount man]

hey if more use of contraception will eventually lead to the demise of abortion, then by all means keep taking it. Never agreed with the RCC over birth control. It is not the Pope's business what a married couple do in their bedroom nor should he care if they only want to have 1 child.

[89Hen]

If the pendulum swings back and we find ourselves in a country where the vast majority of people lean pro-life, then those very same people who argued that the Federal government should stay out of abortion and leave it to the state will be the ones arguing that the Federal government should outlaw the practice.

Mark my words.

They'd be arguing that the Fed should reverse RvW and then fight in their own states.

[89Hen]

How about the fact that the "Plan B" commercial is grossly misleading?

I hope CBS airs the Tebow Super Bowl pro-life ad. DB1, you're wrong, the tide is turning. I know it pains you, but you'll have to live with it.

[kalm]

How about the fact that the "Plan B" commercial is grossly misleading?

I hope CBS airs the Tebow Super Bowl pro-life ad. DB1, you're wrong, the tide is turning. I know it pains you, but you'll have to live with it.

I hope the commercials broadcast is aborted.

[JoltinJoe]

I hope CBS airs the Tebow Super Bowl pro-life ad. DB1, you're wrong, the tide is turning. I know it pains you, but you'll have to live with it.

I hope the commercials broadcast is aborted.

Why? Isn't he entitled to speak his opinion on the issue?

[Appaholic]

And I'm opposed to forcing the othe .05% to justify their actions to someone like yourself when it's none of your fokking business...but that's me, I don't try to legislate my narrow beliefs on the majority of the people & expect the same consideration...& end of disappointed by people like yourself who believe they know what's best for all in all situations...just run for office Hen....

My narrow beliefs? I guess you didn't know that a majority of the people in this country believe abortion is murder.

Why is Jeffrey Dahmer killing somebody I don't know any of MY business?

Fok it...it's legal, fokking deal with it....didn't say it was right, you're wanting the moral high ground since i don't want to call the other .05% murder...we're not going to agree on this tiopic...put it to fokking bed...

BTW, Dahmer wasn't a murderer according to the courts, but if you have you're way with the semantics, a mother saving her own life in the .05% cases will have to prove her innocence...