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Common Sense wrote: The prime determinant of GSU's move to FBS is not fundraising -- it's getting 20K+ people in the stands on consistent basis. Period.

But while on the subject of fundraising, ODU started its process before 2006 and completed everything by 2009, which gave them at least 4 solid years of fundraising. Was that not a process as well? If you are going to spout garbage (like you have been on CAA Zone for years now) about comparisons between ODU and GSU, then why not take into account that GSU's fundraising efforts have been in progress for only a year and two months, which effectively means we have another 3 years to match ODU, and do so, mind you, in the worst economic downturn since the great depression.

You know, for someone who claims to have a degree from William and Mary, I must say I'm rather disappointed.
Of course it was a process as well. My point is simply that the process was well planned in advance, and they didn't proceed with their plan until their goals were achieved. GSU, by the way, has been raising money a bit longer than a year and two months. They had over a million dollars pledged by April of 2008. ODU had their eight million in the summer of 2006, more than three years before they played their first game. That's why their facilities were complete when they took the field.

Consistently drawing good crowds will certainly be important to an FBS move for GSU, but if you think fundraising will not also be a prime determinant you're kidding yourself. The comparisons, AGAIN, are to point out that ODU is no where near ready to consider an FBS move, and they've been drawing 20,000 for every game.
This is getting better by the post. So now your "point" has gone from "GSU has not secured funds for practice fields" to "that article came out two days after I made my post" to finally "ODU's process was well planned in advance, that's all I'm saying." Three more posts and you'd be doing a complete 180.

GSU has been raising money for the actual practice facility for only a little over a year. The cool million you are referring to was raised for other areas of the program, and that was in addition to the $6 million+ that was raised to purchase the actual land for the practice facility. ODU had the luxury of getting the land for free, as well as the luxury to plan much further in advance because they were not dealing with an exiting president like we have, which is the reason everything was rushed. But when you compare the starting time lines, GSU has done just as good, if not better of a job raising funds, especially considering the current economic environment. If you'd spent as much time reading news articles as you spend reading speculative posts on message boards, maybe this would all be clear to you, and that brings me to my next point.

Tribe, for four years now you have been making boneheaded posts on CAA Zone based on limited to flat-out false information, not just about GSU, but a plethora of other CAA programs on a variety of subjects. You do this constantly, and when someone calls you out on it, you immediately go with your patented "why can't we have a civil conversation" spiel. How about this champ: why don't you, for a change, do a little research before making another claim or argument about GSU and that way you won't have to eat crow, and most importantly, you will spare us all of your backpedaling posts full of euphemism and weaslers.
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Common Sense wrote: Yeah, GSU won FIVE conference championships in four years since joining the CAA and we shouldn't be in the CAA. Good one champ. And to talk down our football program before you even saw us on the field is even smarter. I sure hope for your psyche's sake you don't lose to us up in Norfolk next Fall. You sure wouldn't want to lose to a Big South team now, do you?

And I assure you, the only fans who have an inferiority complex are the ODU folks who have watched their basketball team take a back seat to VCU and GMU over the last decade. It's really getting old listening to Monarch fans talking about the glory days of old and D2 championships. Between that and the "Home Court Disadvantage" theory, one can only wonder what excuses you will make if you lose to us in football. :rofl:
You can fight with yourself, kid. I'm tired of you.

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[quote="Common Sense"][quote="Tribe4SF"][quote="Common Sense"]
The prime determinant of GSU's move to FBS is not fundraising -- it's getting 20K+ people in the stands on consistent basis. Period.

But while on the subject of fundraising, ODU started its process before 2006 and completed everything by 2009, which gave them at least 4 solid years of fundraising. Was that not a process as well? If you are going to spout garbage (like you have been on CAA Zone for years now) about comparisons between ODU and GSU, then why not take into account that GSU's fundraising efforts have been in progress for only a year and two months, which effectively means we have another 3 years to match ODU, and do so, mind you, in the worst economic downturn since the great depression.

You know, for someone who claims to have a degree from William and Mary, I must say I'm rather disappointed.[/quote]

Of course it was a process as well. My point is simply that the process was well planned in advance, and they didn't proceed with their plan until their goals were achieved. GSU, by the way, has been raising money a bit longer than a year and two months. They had over a million dollars pledged by April of 2008. ODU had their eight million in the summer of 2006, more than three years before they played their first game. That's why their facilities were complete when they took the field.

Consistently drawing good crowds will certainly be important to an FBS move for GSU, but if you think fundraising will not also be a prime determinant you're kidding yourself. The comparisons, AGAIN, are to point out that ODU is no where near ready to consider an FBS move, and they've been drawing 20,000 for every game.[/quote]

This is getting better by the post. So now your "point" has gone from "GSU has not secured funds for practice fields" to "that article came out two days after I made my post" to finally "ODU's process was well planned in advance, that's all I'm saying." Three more posts and you'd be doing a complete 180.

GSU has been raising money for the actual practice facility for only a little over a year. The cool million you are referring to was raised for other areas of the program, and that was in addition to the $6 million+ that was raised to purchase the actual land for the practice facility. ODU had the luxury of getting the land for free, as well as the luxury to plan much further in advance because they were not dealing with an exiting president like we have, which is the reason everything was rushed. But when you compare the starting time lines, GSU has done just as good, if not better of a job raising funds, especially considering the current economic environment. If you'd spent as much time reading news articles as you spend reading speculative posts on message boards, maybe this would all be clear to you, and that brings me to my next point.

Tribe, for four years now you have been making boneheaded posts on CAA Zone based on limited to flat-out false information, not just about GSU, but a plethora of other CAA programs on a variety of subjects. You do this constantly, and when someone calls you out on it, you immediately go with your patented "why can't we have a civil conversation" spiel. How about this champ: why don't you, for a change, do a little research before making another claim or argument about GSU and that way you won't have to eat crow, and most importantly, you will spare us all of your backpedaling posts full of euphemism and weaslers.[/quote]

Explaining what I meant is not backpedaling, its clarifying the context for the challenged. When people like you read a post that questions something about their school or their team, they take it as an attack. If you're going to ask that every post relating to GSU be thoroughly researched before going up, you and your cohorts are going to be spending all your time pissed off and fighting.

And I'm certainly not eating any crow, especially from you. If there's backpedaling going on in this thread, maybe it's your own. From "GSU's fundraising efforts have only been going on for a year and two months" to "GSU has only been raising money FOR THE ACTUAL PRACTICE FACILITY for a little over a year". Is that backpedaling, or explaining the context of what you were saying? If you're going to hold others to a standard, be sure you hold yourself to it.
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Re: CAA Footbal Future

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Tribe4SF wrote:
andy7171 wrote:I think I'm becoming a Georgia State fan!
Good! I'm going to need at least one I can talk to.
:lol:

Tribe, isn't there a limit on when an existing, non-football playing member can receive an automatic CAA Football membership? I would suspect that any future CAA Football additions, whether all sport or football only, would be based on that. While VCU won't see football anytime soon it is not beyond the realm of belief that GMU could upgrade their club team to an FCS team. They have the bucks and the land, all they lack is the administration pushing for it (although that is a major stumbling block).
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Tribe4SF wrote:
Good! I'm going to need at least one I can talk to.
:lol:

Tribe, isn't there a limit on when an existing, non-football playing member can receive an automatic CAA Football membership? I would suspect that any future CAA Football additions, whether all sport or football only, would be based on that. While VCU won't see football anytime soon it is not beyond the realm of belief that GMU could upgrade their club team to an FCS team. They have the bucks and the land, all they lack is the administration pushing for it (although that is a major stumbling block).
I think someone referenced that earlier, but I can't remember the year that grandfathering expires. Agree about GMU.
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Monarch Nation wrote:
Tribe4SF wrote:
Good! I'm going to need at least one I can talk to.
:lol:

Tribe, isn't there a limit on when an existing, non-football playing member can receive an automatic CAA Football membership? I would suspect that any future CAA Football additions, whether all sport or football only, would be based on that. While VCU won't see football anytime soon it is not beyond the realm of belief that GMU could upgrade their club team to an FCS team. They have the bucks and the land, all they lack is the administration pushing for it (although that is a major stumbling block).
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49RFootballNow wrote:As for affiliates, I know Richmond won the NC year before last, but would the CAA really take a massive hit if all the current 5 affiliates left? You'd still most likely be the strongest FCS football conference.
Don't know about that. The 6 football-only members account for 3 of the 5 national championships and 5 of the 9 championship appearances, as well as 14 of the league's 19 playoff appearances in the last 5 years. As for security, the "full CAA" fans have it backwards, the only ones bolting on this conference are the all-sports CAA members. If URI drops football, big deal, they disappear and you never have to deal with them again. But when Northeastern and Hofstra drop football, you're stuck with them clogging up the works in the rest of your conference and making expansion impossible. All other things being equal, getting GOOD members in this very expensive joint venture is far more important than getting "full" members.

(I do agree with your main point though 49R, I just don't consider the above to be supportive reasoning.)
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Common Sense wrote:
This is getting better by the post. So now your "point" has gone from "GSU has not secured funds for practice fields" to "that article came out two days after I made my post" to finally "ODU's process was well planned in advance, that's all I'm saying." Three more posts and you'd be doing a complete 180.

GSU has been raising money for the actual practice facility for only a little over a year. The cool million you are referring to was raised for other areas of the program, and that was in addition to the $6 million+ that was raised to purchase the actual land for the practice facility. ODU had the luxury of getting the land for free, as well as the luxury to plan much further in advance because they were not dealing with an exiting president like we have, which is the reason everything was rushed. But when you compare the starting time lines, GSU has done just as good, if not better of a job raising funds, especially considering the current economic environment. If you'd spent as much time reading news articles as you spend reading speculative posts on message boards, maybe this would all be clear to you, and that brings me to my next point.

Tribe, for four years now you have been making boneheaded posts on CAA Zone based on limited to flat-out false information, not just about GSU, but a plethora of other CAA programs on a variety of subjects. You do this constantly, and when someone calls you out on it, you immediately go with your patented "why can't we have a civil conversation" spiel. How about this champ: why don't you, for a change, do a little research before making another claim or argument about GSU and that way you won't have to eat crow, and most importantly, you will spare us all of your backpedaling posts full of euphemism and weaslers.
Explaining what I meant is not backpedaling, its clarifying the context for the challenged. When people like you read a post that questions something about their school or their team, they take it as an attack. If you're going to ask that every post relating to GSU be thoroughly researched before going up, you and your cohorts are going to be spending all your time pissed off and fighting.

And I'm certainly not eating any crow, especially from you. If there's backpedaling going on in this thread, maybe it's your own. From "GSU's fundraising efforts have only been going on for a year and two months" to "GSU has only been raising money FOR THE ACTUAL PRACTICE FACILITY for a little over a year". Is that backpedaling, or explaining the context of what you were saying? If you're going to hold others to a standard, be sure you hold yourself to it.
Tribe, your attempts to spin this are borderline childish at this point. You specifically said that GSU "has not secured the funds to complete a practice field, which was to be a first order of business." The truth is that we HAVE secured those funds and the practice facilities are AHEAD of schedule. Just because you were not aware of this does not mean you weren't WRONG, and all the "clarifying" and backpedaling in the world will not change the fact that you posted yet another gaff on an internet message board. This one is just as bad, if not worse, than when our QB Drew Little turned down BC to sign with GSU, and you proceeded to state that he never had an offer from BC, upon which three GSU posters provided you a link to an article where it stated that he did.

As far as your sad attempt to accuse me of backpedaling, I think even a five-year old can see that the statement "GSU's fundraising efforts have only been going on for a year and two months" and "GSU has only been raising money FOR THE ACTUAL PRACTICE FACILITY for a little over a year" are virtually the same, with the only difference being that the second one is stating exactly what the money is being raised for. But looking at this thread and just thinking back to all the other threads on CAA Zone where you were blatantly exposed for the sh!t-talking liar that you are, I sincerely doubt there is any level of shame you are capable of feeling at this point, no matter how ridiculous you look to the rest of the world. But one thing is for sure: crow seems to be on the everyday menu for you, and you sure have an appetite for it.
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If GSU and Charlotte are the future of the CAA... we're in trouble. :fuel:
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I'm going to go ahead and call it: Neither Tribe4SF nor CommonSense will be sending each other Christmas cards next December.
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89Hen wrote:If GSU and Charlotte are the future of the CAA... we're in trouble. :fuel:
Lol! You posted that while I was reading the post above yours. This is great theater, no?
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89Hen wrote:If GSU and Charlotte are the future of the CAA... we're in trouble. :fuel:
So is the SoCon. ;)
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93henfan wrote:Lol! You posted that while I was reading the post above yours. This is great theater, no?
Might as well be, because we know it's going to be shit football. ;)
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LastMinuteman wrote:
49RFootballNow wrote:As for affiliates, I know Richmond won the NC year before last, but would the CAA really take a massive hit if all the current 5 affiliates left? You'd still most likely be the strongest FCS football conference.
Don't know about that. The 6 football-only members account for 3 of the 5 national championships and 5 of the 9 championship appearances, as well as 14 of the league's 19 playoff appearances in the last 5 years. As for security, the "full CAA" fans have it backwards, the only ones bolting on this conference are the all-sports CAA members. If URI drops football, big deal, they disappear and you never have to deal with them again. But when Northeastern and Hofstra drop football, you're stuck with them clogging up the works in the rest of your conference and making expansion impossible. All other things being equal, getting GOOD members in this very expensive joint venture is far more important than getting "full" members.

(I do agree with your main point though 49R, I just don't consider the above to be supportive reasoning.)
OH! See I forgot about Villanova being an affiliate! I really don't see why there's such a demand for Charlotte to be all or nothing. At one point someone tells me our basketball is too irrelavent for us to worry about moving from the A10 to the CAA. Then in the same post I'm told we have no value to the CAA without it!

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93henfan wrote:I'm going to go ahead and call it: Neither Tribe4SF nor CommonSense will be sending each other Christmas cards next December.
:lol: Odds of that are about as good as me getting a tailgate invite the first time we play at GSU. I guess I've got a Mr. Hyde side I hadn't been aware of. Better look in the mirror more often.
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Tribe4SF wrote:
93henfan wrote:I'm going to go ahead and call it: Neither Tribe4SF nor CommonSense will be sending each other Christmas cards next December.
:lol: Odds of that are about as good as me getting a tailgate invite the first time we play at GSU. I guess I've got a Mr. Hyde side I hadn't been aware of. Better look in the mirror more often.

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Tribe4SF wrote:
93henfan wrote:I'm going to go ahead and call it: Neither Tribe4SF nor CommonSense will be sending each other Christmas cards next December.
:lol: Odds of that are about as good as me getting a tailgate invite the first time we play at GSU. I guess I've got a Mr. Hyde side I hadn't been aware of. Better look in the mirror more often.

You might be invited to a GSU tailgate, as a pinata! :dead: (closest emoticon to a pinata) :thumb:
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As an outsider I see it like this. The CAA won't have to worry about GSU or Charlotte for very long. Not that they were worried because most of the CAA is fuckin awesome and will kick both of their asses. Charlotte will probably not even be an affiliate member of the CAA but of the Big South instead, until they have an opening (after the Big 10, BE, Pac 10 raid everyone) in the C-USA or Sun Belt. GSU might hang around longer in the FCS because Texas St., UTSA, might be ready for a WAC or Sun Belt invite before GSU is ready. If GSU does get the call from the Sun Belt they will bolt as well. (like CS said if they avg 20K they could get the Sun Belt call)
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