Pot Legalization to CA ballot in November?

[Appaholic]

Actually, yes I do want the input to our prisons reduced, especially when it comes to ridiculous, non-violent crimes like possessing an ounce of weed. Oh well.

No one goes to prison for possessing for possessing an ounce of weed. (And note there is a difference between prison and jail).

Nope, but a felonny conviction can be gotten for possessing an ounce in some states. Get 3 felony convictions in some states, & you're looking at life in prison, not jail....

BTW, with the jail sentences for some misdemeanor non-violent drug offenses & our current over-crowding in jails, it's not the mandatory minimum drug offenders who are being let out when space needs to be made, but the child molestor / grand larceny convicts that are paroled early....

[Appaholic]

They'll get plenty revenue from it, just like they do from alcohol and tobacco.

I think people will continue to produce their own marijuana. Tobacco and alcohol are much harder to grow/produce than marijuana. People will easily avoid the tax and higher costs to produce their own. I also do not think that "government weed" would be so much better that people would forgo producing their own to pay for government produced marijuana.

Alcohol's not hard to make, but there is little interest in enforcing the laws. Heck, the biggest moonshiner in our area who wrote books on the subject & drove around with a still in the back of his truck didn't get busted until he approached an off-duty fed officer at a gas station & asked him if he wanted to buy some moonshine. There's plenty of money to be made off of untaxed & illegal liquor, but a sheriff or DA looks alot tougher going after the drug trade...

[BDKJMU]

No one goes to prison for possessing for possessing an ounce of weed. (And note there is a difference between prison and jail).

Nope, but a felonny conviction can be gotten for possessing an ounce in some states. Get 3 felony convictions in some states, & you're looking at life in prison, not jail....

BTW, with the jail sentences for some misdemeanor non-violent drug offenses & our current over-crowding in jails, it's not the mandatory minimum drug offenders who are being let out when space needs to be made, but the child molestor / grand larceny convicts that are paroled early....

What state(s)?

[travelinman67]

No one goes to prison for possessing for possessing an ounce of weed. (And note there is a difference between prison and jail).

BTW, with the jail sentences for some misdemeanor non-violent drug offenses & our current over-crowding in jails, it's not the mandatory minimum drug offenders who are being let out when space needs to be made, but the child molestor / grand larceny convicts that are paroled early....

Eh?

I call bullshit!

Source, please.

Sentencing and probation (parole) guidelines as a rule stipulate more stringent requirements for public safety threatening offenses.

[Appaholic]

Nope, but a felonny conviction can be gotten for possessing an ounce in some states. Get 3 felony convictions in some states, & you're looking at life in prison, not jail....

BTW, with the jail sentences for some misdemeanor non-violent drug offenses & our current over-crowding in jails, it's not the mandatory minimum drug offenders who are being let out when space needs to be made, but the child molestor / grand larceny convicts that are paroled early....

What state(s)?

NC unless it's changed recently (by recently, I mean since I was in college in early-mid '90's )

[Appaholic]

BTW, with the jail sentences for some misdemeanor non-violent drug offenses & our current over-crowding in jails, it's not the mandatory minimum drug offenders who are being let out when space needs to be made, but the child molestor / grand larceny convicts that are paroled early....

Eh?

I call bullshit!

Source, please.

Sentencing and probation (parole) guidelines as a rule stipulate more stringent requirements for public safety threatening offenses.

The United States imprisons 100,000 more people just for drug offenses than the European Union does for all offenses, even though the European Union has 100 million more citizens.
http://www.common-sense.org/?fnoc=/comm ... s/03_april

"Despite the investment of more than $5 billion for prison construction over the past decade, the prison system is currently operating at 32 percent over rated capacity, up from 22 percent at the end of 1997. These conditions could potentially jeopardize public safety."
Source: Executive Office of the President, Budget of the US Government, Fiscal Year 2002 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 2001), p. 134.http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/62

Average Federal Sentence
Offense Mean Median
All Offenses 56.8 months 33.0 months
All Felonies 58.0 months 36.0 months
Violent Felonies 86.6 months 63.0 months
Drug Felonies 75.6 months 55.0 months
Property Felony - Fraud 22.5 months 14.0 months
Property Felony - Other 33.4 months 18.0 months
Public Order Felony - Regulatory 28.0 months 15.0 months
Public Order Felony - Other 46.5 months 30.0 months
Misdemeanors 10.3 months 6.0 months
http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/62

So, I'll concede the child moletor as I cannot reference. But with over 50% of prison population affected by drug convictions / mandatory minimums (5% for use alone - why even send them to prison http://www.justice.gov/dea/demand/speakout/10so.htm) & current prison population at +132% capacity, is it a stretch to assume that, if space needs to be made, they'll let out someone who has stolen property vs someone who is in on drugs?

[travelinman67]

All the people I know with healthy lifestyles - skiiers, runners, hikers, ect. smoke weed recreationally. Alcohol destroys your body.

Tman doesn't seem to understand that you can in fact control your weed intake, and that it really isn't that terrible for you in moderation. Are you going to get anywhere in life if you smoke pot all day, every day? Of course not, but I, and most of the people I know who smoke, don't do anything like that.

Someone who couldn't, in fact, control his weed intake...

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-b ... 57722.html

He Messed With the Wrong Flight Attendant
By MICHELLE WAYLAND and GREG BLEDSOE
7:36 AM PST, Mon, Feb 8, 2010

A San Francisco man, accused of forcing a flight to divert because he was high on medical marijuana, picked the wrong flight attendant to freak out on.

51-year-old Lorin Gorman of Chula Vista is a fourth-degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do. Those skills may have averted a serious situation in the air.

US-Air flight 1447 was on its way from Philadelphia to San Francisco.

Gorman says she noticed Kinman Chan, 30, early in the flight. "He was looking back at me, waving hi," Gorman said of the man in seat 17-C.

But soon enough, the passenger became aggressive, Gorman says. "He's banging around, screaming in the back bathroom, he's opened all the compartments," the attendant remembers.

According to a criminal complaint, Chan walked out of the bathroom with his pants down.

"I said, ‘You need to sit down now’,” Gorman said.

He did not. "He went like that with his elbow," Gorman said, bracing her wrist as she threw an elbow at shoulder height. "Well, what I did, I just put him in an arm lock. To get his other arm, I had to jump up on the seat … He was resisting. He was stiff. At that point, I just put him into a choke hold."

The plane was diverted to Pittsburgh where Chan was arrested. He told police he'd taken a double dose of his medicinal marijuana, eating two pot cookies before the flight.

"After 911, I took special training with my grand master to learn how to deal with small spaces and also what to look for in passengers," Gorman said. "I'm glad I was there."

Kinman Chan was charged with disrupting a flight attendant, which can carry a maximum penalty of up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

So much for the "mellow" drug.

[death dealer]

Tman doesn't seem to understand that you can in fact control your weed intake, and that it really isn't that terrible for you in moderation. Are you going to get anywhere in life if you smoke pot all day, every day? Of course not, but I, and most of the people I know who smoke, don't do anything like that.

Someone who couldn't, in fact, control his weed intake...

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-b ... 57722.html

He Messed With the Wrong Flight Attendant
By MICHELLE WAYLAND and GREG BLEDSOE
7:36 AM PST, Mon, Feb 8, 2010

A San Francisco man, accused of forcing a flight to divert because he was high on medical marijuana, picked the wrong flight attendant to freak out on.

51-year-old Lorin Gorman of Chula Vista is a fourth-degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do. Those skills may have averted a serious situation in the air.

US-Air flight 1447 was on its way from Philadelphia to San Francisco.

Gorman says she noticed Kinman Chan, 30, early in the flight. "He was looking back at me, waving hi," Gorman said of the man in seat 17-C.

But soon enough, the passenger became aggressive, Gorman says. "He's banging around, screaming in the back bathroom, he's opened all the compartments," the attendant remembers.

According to a criminal complaint, Chan walked out of the bathroom with his pants down.

"I said, ‘You need to sit down now’,” Gorman said.

He did not. "He went like that with his elbow," Gorman said, bracing her wrist as she threw an elbow at shoulder height. "Well, what I did, I just put him in an arm lock. To get his other arm, I had to jump up on the seat … He was resisting. He was stiff. At that point, I just put him into a choke hold."

The plane was diverted to Pittsburgh where Chan was arrested. He told police he'd taken a double dose of his medicinal marijuana, eating two pot cookies before the flight.

"After 911, I took special training with my grand master to learn how to deal with small spaces and also what to look for in passengers," Gorman said. "I'm glad I was there."

Kinman Chan was charged with disrupting a flight attendant, which can carry a maximum penalty of up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

So much for the "mellow" drug.

Once again you pick the extreme rare example to justify a silly stupid oppressive belief. I bet you know a black guy who stole something, a jew who is stingy, a mexican who is lazy, and a woman who is bitchy and irrational don't you? What's it like in 1952 TMan?

[travelinman67]

Once again you pick the extreme rare example to justify a silly stupid oppressive belief. I bet you know...a woman who is bitchy and irrational don't you? What's it like in 1952 TMan?

A warm-up for 2010.