Roe v Wade Anniversary

[kalm]

I hope the commercials broadcast is aborted.

Why? Isn't he entitled to speak his opinion on the issue?

Oops sorry serious topic. No brevity allowed. Got it.

Carry on.

[JoltinJoe]

Why? Isn't he entitled to speak his opinion on the issue?

Oops sorry serious topic. No brevity allowed. Got it.

Carry on.

If a joke was intended, you should have used or , rather than .

means you are being dismissive.

BTW, did you mean "levity" rather than "brevity"?

[kalm]

Oops sorry serious topic. No brevity allowed. Got it.

Carry on.

If a joke was intended, you should have used or , rather than .

means you are being dismissive.

BTW, did you mean "levity" rather than "brevity"?

I'm trying to come up with a smart ass response like 'coffee means whatever the fuck I want it to mean and goes quite well with brevity...'

but in truth, I've got nothin'

[89Hen]

if you have you're way with the semantics, a mother saving her own life in the .05% cases will have to prove her innocence...

Nope. You seem to only read partial posts and enitrely skip some. If you're not going to read them, we're both wasting our time.

[89Hen]

Oops sorry serious topic. No brevity allowed.

Sure it is.

[JoltinJoe]

If a joke was intended, you should have used or , rather than .

means you are being dismissive.

BTW, did you mean "levity" rather than "brevity"?

I'm trying to come up with a smart ass response like 'coffee means whatever the **** I want it to mean and goes quite well with brevity...'

but in truth, I've got nothin'

Besides, I think what you're reaching for is:

a drink with jam and brevity ...

and that brings us back to Roe

[Biff]

Why is this so hard to figure out?

It all really comes down to 1 personal question:

1. When does human life begin?

If you believe life begins at conception, then abortion is murder.

If you believe that life begins at birth, then abortion is ok.

Religion and politics don't matter.

???? Your thought still requires an opinion ... back to square 1

[Appaholic]

if you have you're way with the semantics, a mother saving her own life in the .05% cases will have to prove her innocence...

Nope. You seem to only read partial posts and enitrely skip some. If you're not going to read them, we're both wasting our time.

OK, not prove her innocence, but rely upon the DA, not a medical expert, to determine that it was indeed a life-threatening event. Am i wrong? I don't want to put words in your mouth....

[89Hen]

If you believe that life begins at birth

Is there anyone who really believes that? That somehow the passage through the vaginal canal begins life?

BTW, I know there are many who believe that the essence of life is passing through the vaginal canal, but that's for another thread. (see, there's levity)

[89Hen]

OK, not prove her innocence, but rely upon the DA, not a medical expert, to determine that it was indeed a life-threatening event. Am i wrong? I don't want to put words in your mouth....

Yes. You're wrong. Here was my answer earlier in the thread to you on this when you asked if every case had to be investigated...

Nope. But you find a doctor that authorizes abortions at a higher rate than other OB-GYN... they will have to be investigated. AGAIN, you're talking about VERY rare cases.

This was saying every case doesn't need to be investigated. The doctor is licensed to make the call. But if you find a doctor that has a larger abortion rate than others, they will be investigated, not the mother.

[GannonFan]

If you believe that life begins at birth

Is there anyone who really believes that? That somehow the passage through the vaginal canal begins life?

BTW, I know there are many who believe that the essence of life is passing through the vaginal canal, but that's for another thread. (see, there's levity)

Gee, I was a c-section - guess I'm still waiting for life to begin, eh?

[93henfan]

Is there anyone who really believes that? That somehow the passage through the vaginal canal begins life?

BTW, I know there are many who believe that the essence of life is passing through the vaginal canal, but that's for another thread. (see, there's levity)

Gee, I was a c-section - guess I'm still waiting for life to begin, eh?

No. You just have a big head.

[Grizalltheway]

If you believe that life begins at birth

Is there anyone who really believes that? That somehow the passage through the vaginal canal begins life?

BTW, I know there are many who believe that the essence of life is passing through the vaginal canal, but that's for another thread. (see, there's levity)

And is there anyone who really believes the government has the right to invade the privacy of a woman's body? Pretty ironic that "stay out of my life" conks seem to want some sort of fetus-Gestapo running around invading abortion clinics.

[93henfan]

Pretty ironic that "stay out of my life" conks seem to want some sort of fetus-Gestapo running around invading abortion clinics.

Mission accomplished.

[89Hen]

And is there anyone who really believes the government has the right to invade the privacy of a woman's body?

First off, who's invading women's bodies? (besides Grizo?)

Secondly, do you believe the government has the right to invade the privacy of my home if my kid comes to school with evidence of abuse?

Finally, let me ask you another question... Why was Scott Peterson charged and convicted of two counts of murder?

[89Hen]

Mission accomplished.

Was that really necessary?

[Grizalltheway]

And is there anyone who really believes the government has the right to invade the privacy of a woman's body?

First off, who's invading women's bodies? (besides Grizo?)

Secondly, do you believe the government has the right to invade the privacy of my home if my kid comes to school with evidence of abuse?

Finally, let me ask you another question... Why was Scott Peterson charged and convicted of two counts of murder?

By telling her what she can and can't do with it, Hen.

[CID1990]

What irks me about the abortion debate is the use of the terms "legislating morality" and "imposing your beliefs upon other people". That's such sloppy, fallacious thinking.

There are some that would believe that they are justified in breaking into your house while you are not home and stealing your big screen TV to sell it because you have more than enough to provide for your basic necessities and they (the thief) cannot afford to put food on their table. If you believe the government should prosecute those caught doing that, are you not "imposing your morality on someone that thinks differently than you"?

Are you not also "imposing your morality" when you force businesses not to discriminate on the basis of skin color in hiring or when you force them to serve all customers regardless of race?

Moral relativity is a logical fallacy and does not a good argument make. If the government did not prohibit behaviors because some believed it to not be wrong then where the f$%^ would we be?

I think you are missing something important. If somebody steals from me, then they have affected ME. I think people should be able to live their lives as they please as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others to live as THEY please. If somebody smokes dope, they are not attacking or taking from me. If somebody spends $50 on a gay hooker, they are neither harming or stealing from me or you. If somebody wants to walk down the street with no clothes on, then by God they should damn well be able to do it, since they are neither taking from me nor are they harming me. (Unless it is Appaholic or D1B... DO NOT want to see either of those two naked on the street). Conversely, theft, rape, murder are all crimes that infringe on the natual rights of man.

The point is that our government does legislate morality. Murder is a moral wrong and it is illegal. It is an infringement on another person's natural right to life and therefore should be illegal.

Abortion certainly is a gray area where libertarians are concerned, because it does infringe on the right of the unborn. Still, I continue to believe that the Federal government has no business being involved in spite of the fact that on a personal level I find abortion repugnant. I do not care if the government guarantees its legality or illegality. Either path is inappropriate. That is my opinion.

[JoltinJoe]

And is there anyone who really believes the government has the right to invade the privacy of a woman's body?

First off, who's invading women's bodies? (besides Grizo?)

Secondly, do you believe the government has the right to invade the privacy of my home if my kid comes to school with evidence of abuse?

Finally, let me ask you another question... Why was Scott Peterson charged and convicted of two counts of murder?

It's also hard to grasp how a procedure performed in a facility open to the public, by a state-licensed medical provider, is deemed to be protected by a "right to privacy" which is itself nowhere mentioned in our constitution.

As Justice Hugo Black once observed, "I like my privacy as well as the next one, but I am nevertheless compelled to admit that government has a right to invade it unless prohibited by some specific constitutional provision."

[JayJ79]

How about the fact that the "Plan B" commercial is grossly misleading? I saw it last night before the "Lost" episode (I'm not sure if it was being shown on on ABC or the station previously set) and was shocked to see that it claimed that "Plan B" worked by stopping pregnancy from happening.

That is true only in some cases. "Plan B" can work by preventing an egg from being released from the ovary, thus preventing conception. But the other way it works is, after conception, by preventing an already fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. After conception but before the zygote (or morula, since it has already divded by then) settles in the uterus, Plan B induces a discharge that includes the fertilized egg. That's an abortion.

If it hasn't settled/attached, is it really a "pregnancy" at that point?
I mean you can't take a kidney and just throw it into someone's abdominal cavity and call it a transplant.

Not that it makes much difference to me either way.

[D1B]

How about the fact that the "Plan B" commercial is grossly misleading?

I hope CBS airs the Tebow Super Bowl pro-life ad. DB1, you're wrong, the tide is turning. I know it pains you, but you'll have to live with it.

I hope they air it too. Hen, you and Joltin Job are brainwashed cult members.

Rational America is both laughing at you and appalled by your behavior.

[D1B]

Jolting Joke and 89Hen = 2 brain surgeons who are blindly pro life, yet are members of a world wide cult that villifies contraception that saves women from having abortions.

This is the logic of fuckheads and the brainwashed.

[D1B]

I just cannot imagine the utter horror of the prospect of a woman who, after registering her pregnancy with the state, then has her baby spontaneously aborted by god and then appearing in court in front of a fat fuck tyrant moralist/catholic shithead like 89 Hen or a fucking lifelong schoolyard ragdoll pussy dork like Joltin Joe, to save herself from prison.

[D1B]

I cannot project the degree of hatred required to make those women run around in crusades against abortion. Hatred is what they certainly project, not love for the embryos, which is a piece of nonsense no one could experience, but hatred, a virulent hatred for an unnamed object...Their hatred is directed against human beings as such, against the mind, against reason, against ambition, against success, against love, against any value that brings happiness to human life. In compliance with the dishonesty that dominates today's intellectual field, they call themselves 'pro-life.'

Ayn Rand

[D1B]

And is there anyone who really believes the government has the right to invade the privacy of a woman's body?

First off, who's invading women's bodies? (besides Grizo?)

Secondly, do you believe the government has the right to invade the privacy of my home if my kid comes to school with evidence of abuse?

Finally, let me ask you another question... Why was Scott Peterson charged and convicted of two counts of murder?

Is your kid a fucking fetus?