what is Iran's major shock on February 11th?

[youngterrier]

all I got to say is bring it...we may be stuck in 2 wars but if they're dumb enough to attack us and warn us about it before hand they deserve to get nuked

Why would you welcome an attack? Settle down Bush.

I never said I welcomed it...if they want to fight, we don't have the time or money to take their crap so just get it over with and nuke 'em, it would save a lot of our time

[youngterrier]

You've seen too many Transformer movies......

Eh, perhaps he's following George Bush's style of declaring "war" on Iraq...give them a three months' head start.

I was referring to circumstances in which they, as a country, attack us in which case they'd be declaring war on US. In which case, nuke 'em, they're not worth our time.

[JMU DJ]

You've seen too many Transformer movies......

you underestimate the badassery of our military

Apparently too many Team America movies

[Col Hogan]

I'm less concerned with the 100,000 figure than the claim that they were all caused by the US. Sure, we've killed some civilians. That's what war is all about. But so has Al Qaeda, other outside Arabic resistance, and (probably the biggest source) Iraqi Sunnis and Shias fighting each other.

Yep...they hide forces in civilian areas, then when a civilian is killed rooting them out their PR firm (and associates like Houndawg) go into hyperventilation over civilian deaths...

And your point about Sunni on Shia or Shia on Sunni deaths is often forgotten or overlooked here...

[youngterrier]

you underestimate the badassery of our military

Apparently too many Team America movies

It doesn't take much of a military effort to press a button to solve your problems

[Col Hogan]

Apparently too many Team America movies

It doesn't take much of a military effort to press a button to solve your problems

But what you are implying takes political effort first...and we are very lacking in that area right now...

[BlueHen86]

It doesn't take much of a military effort to press a button to solve your problems

But what you are implying takes political effort first...and we are very lacking in that area right now...

We have been since 1945.

[youngterrier]

It doesn't take much of a military effort to press a button to solve your problems

But what you are implying takes political effort first...and we are very lacking in that area right now...

they started it, if they want to unveil a nuke more power to them. If they want to use it against us we shouldn't waste our time and Billions of $$$ on another no-end-in-site war. As wussy as the Europeans are they can't whine about us nuking the Iranians when they start it (or hopefully just try to start it)

[BlueHen86]

But what you are implying takes political effort first...and we are very lacking in that area right now...

they started it, if they want to unveil a nuke more power to them. If they want to use it against us we shouldn't waste our time and Billions of $$$ on another no-end-in-site war. As wussy as the Europeans are they can't whine about us nuking the Iranians when they start it (or hopefully just try to start it)

They can whine, but that is all that they will do.

[ASUMountaineer]

Eh, perhaps he's following George Bush's style of declaring "war" on Iraq...give them a three months' head start.

I was referring to circumstances in which they, as a country, attack us in which case they'd be declaring war on US. In which case, nuke 'em, they're not worth our time.

I was making a crack on Bush...not you. My bad, didn't make it clear.

[93henfan]

I will not shed a tear if it ever becomes necessary to irradiate some Iranians. They are the scum of the earth, plain and simple. They improperly seized our embassy and held our citizens there for 444 days in 1979, trained the radicals that blew up 220 Marines in Beirut in 1983, and have sponsored terrorism against us ever since. I don't give a fuck about them. Nuke them if it comes to it and be damned with the rest of the world's reaction. The Iranians have had it coming a long time. The only sympathy I will have is that all of us will be paying $7/gallon for gas for awhile.

[youngterrier]

I was referring to circumstances in which they, as a country, attack us in which case they'd be declaring war on US. In which case, nuke 'em, they're not worth our time.

I was making a crack on Bush...not you. My bad, didn't make it clear.

whew! I was about to do some soul searching after the comparison

[YoUDeeMan]

We've killed over 100,000 civilians, Stanley.

houndawg...losing credibility each and every post.

[CID1990]

The mullahs don't have a death wish.

Nukes are meant to tip the strategic balance in theater, with the only exceptions being the US, Russia and China. All other countries with nukes have tactical, not strategic doctrines. Iran wants to have the biggest dick in the Middle East. They know that one or even 100 nukes does not give them anything approaching parity with the US. They also do not have the delivery systems yet.....

However, it could possibly be a delivery system that they unveil this week. They have been testing several missiles, and the biggest one (I think it is the Shahab?) possibly is actually the second stage of a larger rocket with intercontinental capability. I'm thinking out loud here, but what would the consequences of showing off a missile with intercontinental capability? It would certainly start the EU and the US to twittering. Plus, it means that once they have a nuke, they can threaten the US from a defensive posture. If someone like GWB was in the White House, I wouldn't expect them to rattle their sabers like that, but then they might well think that Obama is soft. I'm not sure that would be an accurate calculation on their part, but we are dealing with people who equate power with force.

As for the "they mess with us, we nuke them" scenario. Not going to happen. Russia would join us first, ostensibly to prevent us from using our nukes, but in reality they will assist us in neutralizing Iran in order to possess portions of the country. China might well roll, as well.

No way do we drop the bomb on Iran.

[youngterrier]

The mullahs don't have a death wish.

Nukes are meant to tip the strategic balance in theater, with the only exceptions being the US, Russia and China. All other countries with nukes have tactical, not strategic doctrines. Iran wants to have the biggest dick in the Middle East. They know that one or even 100 nukes does not give them anything approaching parity with the US. They also do not have the delivery systems yet.....

However, it could possibly be a delivery system that they unveil this week. They have been testing several missiles, and the biggest one (I think it is the Shahab?) possibly is actually the second stage of a larger rocket with intercontinental capability. I'm thinking out loud here, but what would the consequences of showing off a missile with intercontinental capability? It would certainly start the EU and the US to twittering. Plus, it means that once they have a nuke, they can threaten the US from a defensive posture. If someone like GWB was in the White House, I wouldn't expect them to rattle their sabers like that, but then they might well think that Obama is soft. I'm not sure that would be an accurate calculation on their part, but we are dealing with people who equate power with force.

As for the "they mess with us, we nuke them" scenario. Not going to happen. Russia would join us first, ostensibly to prevent us from using our nukes, but in reality they will assist us in neutralizing Iran in order to possess portions of the country. China might well roll, as well.

No way do we drop the bomb on Iran.

I didn't think so either, I wouldn't have a problem with it though. What's difficult is that we are already locked in 2 wars and I don't think, politically speaking, that many people would jump on the "lets invade Iran" bandwagon, a nuke would be an easy cop-out...then again if we wanted to we could go in there, collapse their government in a month, and leave with out the nation building crap.

[BDKJMU]

Ahmadinejad has stated his goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Israel will not tolerate an Iran with nukes.

[T-Dog]

Ahmadinejad has stated his goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Israel will not tolerate an Iran with nukes.

Would he wipe Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock off the face of the earth? That's a cornerstone among Islam (not as important as Mecca but it's where they believe Mohammad rose into heaven) so if theoretically they do that, it would anger a majority of the Islamic community.

[JMU DJ]

Ahmadinejad has stated his goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Israel will not tolerate an Iran with nukes.

Would he wipe Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock off the face of the earth? That's a cornerstone among Islam (not as important as Mecca but it's where they believe Mohammad rose into heaven) so if theoretically they do that, it would anger a majority of the Islamic community.

I think Ahmadinejad means "Isreal" as a nation of people.

[kalm]

You pro-nuke guys make dick Cheney sound like jane Fonda. What a bunch of ahmadinejads.

[ASUG8]

Would he wipe Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock off the face of the earth? That's a cornerstone among Islam (not as important as Mecca but it's where they believe Mohammad rose into heaven) so if theoretically they do that, it would anger a majority of the Islamic community.

I think Ahmadinejad means "Isreal" as a nation of people.

Jeez, DJ - you'd think you'd be able to spell Israel

[JMU DJ]

I think Ahmadinejad means "Isreal" as a nation of people.

Jeez, DJ - you'd think you'd be able to spell Israel

I didn't even notice...

... My motor/keyboard skills aren't that keen in the morning, I frequently type "gooelg.com" or some other varient.

[Wedgebuster]

Youse guys should have been paying attention when Jericho was on-




We WILL nuke Iran and N. Korea, but the real enemy is within.

[Ibanez]

Ahmadinejad has stated his goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Israel will not tolerate an Iran with nukes.

They already tolerate Iran with the expanding capability. If it was really a threat, Israel should've acted by now.

[CID1990]

Ahmadinejad has stated his goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Israel will not tolerate an Iran with nukes.

They already tolerate Iran with the expanding capability. If it was really a threat, Israel should've acted by now.

Maybe, but there is a different dynamic right now.

Israel does not have the capability to strike Iran without overflying US forces. That is a completely different can of worms for them to deal with, compared with when they hit Syria's reactor or Iraq's back before Desert Storm.

Israel might well decide that it is worth the fallout for them to hit Iran by overflying Iraq, but I think they have shown more restraint than they otherwise would have in this instance. I think they DO perceive Iran as an imminent threat, and Bibi just the other day called for immediate, crippling sanctions. If the UN follows its usual M.O. we may well see an Israeli strike soon. That being said, I think Iran's program is too hardened and spread out for surgical strikes to make much of a dent. These are not lazy stupid Syrian Arab military types we are dealing with, here.

[BlueHen86]

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