Future of FCS

[Fresno St. Alum]

Any of you FCSer that have FBS "dreams" this should open a few more spots in after the dominoes fall. BE, B12, MWC will probably get raided by the B10 & P10 etc...

from the csi board
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespo ... -and-more/

[dbackjon]

If both the pac 10 and big 10 add teams, that is a major domino...

[Fresno St. Alum]

indeed dback,

B10 (12) Rutgers
P10 (12) Colorado, Utah
BE (16) Memphis
B12 (12) TCU
MWC (10) Boise St., Nevada, Fresno St.
CUSA (12) N.Texas
WAC (9) UTSA*, Texas St.*, Lamar*
SBC (12) Charlotte*

There could be more openings if the BE split, MWC went to 12, SBC goes to 12 for football and 14 overall, MAC adds a 14th for football

[AppMan]

All I know is there is a room in the new pressbox with Video Replay Room on the door. Don't believe we need that for FCS.

[JSU02]

indeed dback,

B10 (12) Rutgers
P10 (12) Colorado, Utah
BE (8) Memphis
B12 (12) TCU
MWC (10) Boise St., Nevada, Fresno St.
CUSA (12) N.Texas
WAC (9) UTSA*, Texas St.*, Lamar*
SBC (12) Charlotte*

There could be more openings if the BE split, MWC went to 12, SBC goes to 12 for football and 14 overall, MAC adds a 14th for football

14? UNO is dropping to DIII this summer, Denver actively seeking a new conference and UALR has been tossing the idea around as well. Jax State will be in the Sunbelt.

[T-Dog]

I thought I remembered reading somewhere that Texas St owned it but I can't find anything to back this up.

I know that all the materials from the Southwest Conference HQ (papers, records, memorabilia, physical property) is at Texas Tech.

http://www.swco.ttu.edu/location/Manuscripts/index.php

Who owns the name? Don't know but I bet its these guys^^^^^

I believe SMU owns it.

[Fresno St. Alum]

indeed dback,

B10 (12) Rutgers
P10 (12) Colorado, Utah
BE (16) Memphis
B12 (12) TCU
MWC (10) Boise St., Nevada, Fresno St.
CUSA (12) N.Texas
WAC (9) UTSA*, Texas St.*, Lamar*
SBC (12) Charlotte*

There could be more openings if the BE split, MWC went to 12, SBC goes to 12 for football and 14 overall, MAC adds a 14th for football

14? UNO is dropping to DIII this summer, Denver actively seeking a new conference and UALR has been tossing the idea around as well. Jax State will be in the Sunbelt.

I know UNO is going D-III, the SBC has 13 members right now w/ them

If Denver were to leave for the Summit and UALR for the SLC then the SBC would probably just have 12 members all with football and JSU would be one. I've seen nothing on UALR looking to leave or being forced out. As long as they stay and Denver leaves, I think the SBC would would have 11/12 and hope they could get UALR to start fb. After a few years if UALR doesn't start it then they could go to a 12/13.

SBC expansion list probably in order. 1 UTSA,2 Charlotte,3 Georgia St.,4 Texas St.,5 Jacksonville St./Lamar
The things in JSU's favor is they should be ready for an invite along with TSU right after the moratorium, Also if there are raids the WAC will probably have no choice but to snag the Texas schools. leaving the SBC with 1-3 openings depending on CUSA raids and Denver/UALR.

[TexasTerror]

14? UNO is dropping to DIII this summer, Denver actively seeking a new conference and UALR has been tossing the idea around as well. Jax State will be in the Sunbelt.

UNO is going to be a Div I Independent. A move to D3 has not been approved regardless of what any media outlets are reporting. They'll submit their application this spring IF approved by the LSU regents.

The SBC will allow DU in the league until they find a new home. DU is a strong program in all sports for which they participate.

And Lamar ahead of SHSU? Don't look for Sam to sit on the sidelines if both TXST and Lamar move up. SHSU performs at a higher level across all sports, just need to get some more support as the facilities are in place.

[JSU02]

If Denver were to leave for the Summit and UALR for the SLC then the SBC would probably just have 12 members all with football and JSU would be one. I've seen nothing on UALR looking to leave or being forced out. As long as they stay and Denver leaves, I think the SBC would would have 11/12 and hope they could get UALR to start fb. After a few years if UALR doesn't start it then they could go to a 12/13.

SBC expansion list probably in order. 1 UTSA,2 Charlotte,3 Georgia St.,4 Texas St.,5 Jacksonville St./Lamar
The things in JSU's favor is they should be ready for an invite along with TSU right after the moratorium, Also if there are raids the WAC will probably have no choice but to snag the Texas schools. leaving the SBC with 1-3 openings depending on CUSA raids and Denver/UALR.

Ya gotta think that the Presidents of UTSA, TxST, and possibly even Lamar have been talking to each other about the FBS moves. The WAC is going to, at a minimum, lose Boise, and possible also Fresno and Reno to the MWC. That would leave the WAC on life support with only SJSU, Hawai'i, Idaho, Utah State on the west, and LaTech and NMSt on the east. Adding at least 2 Texas schools would balance the conference into a 4 team east and west divisions.That break up would allow the newer eastern schools to bus to a couple other schools, help keeping costs down for the young FBS programs. I think UTSA knows that once they become FBS the WAC would extend an invite out of need, but that they would prefer a C-USA invite, so right now they are non-commital and saying they are willing to be go indy to let the conferences know they are on the way so they can start talking to members about expansion candidates.

Again, I think Charlotte has a lot of potential and would be a good addition for a couple conferences, but I think they are gonna be a little late for the pending realignment. I agree Ga State would be a good addition to the Sunbelt. With the addition of USA, the SBC goes to 10 football schools, but they will lose UNT to the C-USA. That would let the Sunbelt add Ga State & Jax State (perfect travel partners about 95 miles apart- we used to be travel partners in the TAAC/A-SUN) to get to 11 with an open invite to Charlotte should they go FBS and choose to accept.

[chrisattsu]

Ya gotta think that the Presidents of UTSA, TxST, and possibly even Lamar have been talking to each other about the FBS moves. The WAC is going to, at a minimum, lose Boise, and possible also Fresno and Reno to the MWC. That would leave the WAC on life support with only SJSU, Hawai'i, Idaho, Utah State on the west, and LaTech and NMSt on the east. Adding at least 2 Texas schools would balance the conference into a 4 team east and west divisions.That break up would allow the newer eastern schools to bus to a couple other schools, help keeping costs down for the young FBS programs. I think UTSA knows that once they become FBS the WAC would extend an invite out of need, but that they would prefer a C-USA invite, so right now they are non-commital and saying they are willing to be go indy to let the conferences know they are on the way so they can start talking to members about expansion candidates.

Again, I think Charlotte has a lot of potential and would be a good addition for a couple conferences, but I think they are gonna be a little late for the pending realignment. I agree Ga State would be a good addition to the Sunbelt. With the addition of USA, the SBC goes to 10 football schools, but they will lose UNT to the C-USA. That would let the Sunbelt add Ga State & Jax State (perfect travel partners about 95 miles apart- we used to be travel partners in the TAAC/A-SUN) to get to 11 with an open invite to Charlotte should they go FBS and choose to accept.

The EWAC topic pops up quite a bit in these realignment discussions. I think that is one benefit that he Texas Movers have over the Eastern Movers. Depending on which conference wants to expand, we can sell something different to each of them.

Looking at the current SBC map, it looks like you could easily split the conference along an East/West line (along the Mississippi River). The only problem is that you have 6 'all sports' teams in the east and only 4 in the west.

East--FAU, FIU, Troy, UAB, WKU, MTSU
West-- ASU, ULL, ULM, UNT, UALR, Denver

The only way to bring balance is to add two teams (UTSA/TxSt) the West Division and send UALR to the East making a (12/14 split)

If they picked up Jax State / GaSt , you would see an east heavy conference that may as well fracture the young league into to separate beasts.

Southeast league-
FAU, FIU, Troy, USA, JSU, GaSt, MTSU, WKU, Charlotte(?)

Southwest league-
ASU, UALR, ULL, ULM, UNT, TxSt, UTSA, NmSt, Denver

[AppinVA]

All I know is there is a room in the new pressbox with Video Replay Room on the door. Don't believe we need that for FCS.

And you wouldn't dedicate a room for that just for the FCS Semifinals.

[collegesportsinfo]

I posted an article on my site about the Utah & Colorado to the Pac-10 rumors out of ABC4 in Utah.

And one of the posters commented about some scenarios where "what if" the MWC went the CUSA way for replacements (or expansion)...which makes sense since we know that Houston has been the MWC #2 target after Boise St. for the past 2 years.

In his scenario, things get ugly if the MWC went to 12: you could have both the WAC and CUSA losing schools. But in the case where the WAC ever lost 4 schools and fell below the NCAA 6 team requirement, the WAC would be in a tough spot.

For me, i think the worst part is that the WAC just doesn't have the options because there aren't as many FBS schools in the region. In the midwest/north/south, you have non BCS, FCS options to choose from in CUSA, Sunbelt, MAC. Only the west has a limited pecking order.

So I think this alone is reason for there to be more effort by the WAC to get some more regional FBS programs.

Fact are facts: if the MWC ever expands to 12 and targets the WAC, the WAC is over.

But if the WAC reached out to Montana (and Montana St since they go hand in hand), Portland St. and Sac St, at least the WAC could survive that scenario. Hell, waive the entrance fee.

Montana
Montana St.
Idaho
Portland St.
Sac St.
San Jose St.
NMSU
Hawaii
LA Tech
Fresno St or Utah St.

[slycat]

I would say leave Lamar out of FBS talks for now. Yes they have mentioned their desire to move up but they have a lot of work to do and won't be ready IMO for 10 years or so.

[Sapper]

Boise State will not leave the WAC. If they go to the MWC Boise will lose lots of money in TV deals. The WAC is just as good as the MWC and before everyone trips out go look at the records. Next year BSU will win another title and will go to a BCS game, Idaho will win 7-10 games. Nevada will win 7-10 and Fresno will do the same. Boise has a contract to play BYU for 4 games and Utah also. I could see the WAC and MAC both expanding to 12 teams so the have a playoff like the SEC. I could see 3 teams UM MSU EWU moving into the WAC. Unless the PAC 10 offers Boise a spot. BSU is not going anywhere.

[collegesportsinfo]

Boise State will not leave the WAC. If they go to the MWC Boise will lose lots of money in TV deals. The WAC is just as good as the MWC and before everyone trips out go look at the records. Next year BSU will win another title and will go to a BCS game, Idaho will win 7-10 games. Nevada will win 7-10 and Fresno will do the same. Boise has a contract to play BYU for 4 games and Utah also. I could see the WAC and MAC both expanding to 12 teams so the have a playoff like the SEC. I could see 3 teams UM MSU EWU moving into the WAC. Unless the PAC 10 offers Boise a spot. BSU is not going anywhere.

Huhhhh?

[collegesportsinfo]

Boise State will not leave the WAC. If they go to the MWC Boise will lose lots of money in TV deals. The WAC is just as good as the MWC and before everyone trips out go look at the records. Next year BSU will win another title and will go to a BCS game, Idaho will win 7-10 games. Nevada will win 7-10 and Fresno will do the same. Boise has a contract to play BYU for 4 games and Utah also. I could see the WAC and MAC both expanding to 12 teams so the have a playoff like the SEC. I could see 3 teams UM MSU EWU moving into the WAC. Unless the PAC 10 offers Boise a spot. BSU is not going anywhere.

The TV revenue part of you post aside, you do realize that Boise St. is the one that has approached the MWC asking for an invite, not the other way around?

And so everyone is on the same page, Boise St.'s chance of joining the Pac-10 are about the same as Maine joining the WAC. Academics and markets are key factors for expansion of BCS conferences going forward. And BSU offers neither without a large national following either.

[Sapper]

You know that Boise state won the PAC 10 for wrestling. In 2001 BSU asked for an invite so 9 years ago they did. Go read before you post.

[dbackjon]

You know that Boise state won the PAC 10 for wrestling. In 2001 BSU asked for an invite so 9 years ago they did. Go read before you post.

Pac 10 wrestling also has Cal Bakersfield. And Cal Poly. And Cal Fullerton. And UC Davis.

In fact, only three Pac 10 schools sponsor Wrestling.



NAU competes in the WAC for Swimming and Diving.
I am not holding my breath for a full invite any time soon.

[collegesportsinfo]

You know that Boise state won the PAC 10 for wrestling. In 2001 BSU asked for an invite so 9 years ago they did. Go read before you post.

I know there have been a other threads where posters bring up non-revenue sports when talking about expansion. Let's just get this out of the way so EVERYONE is on the same page: only 2 sports matter regarding expansion for BCS conferences - football and basketball. Why? Because those are the two sports that are televised, generate the money, and are the reason for expansion.

You know that Boise state won the PAC 10 for wrestling. In 2001 BSU asked for an invite so 9 years ago they did. Go read before you post.

Pac 10 wrestling also has Cal Bakersfield. And Cal Poly. And Cal Fullerton. And UC Davis.

In fact, only three Pac 10 schools sponsor Wrestling.



NAU competes in the WAC for Swimming and Diving.
I am not holding my breath for a full invite any time soon.

Exactly. It's not like the CAA is gonna knock on Sacred Hearts or Binghamton's door because they are associates in Lax and wrestling. The reason the Pac-10 likely sponsors wrestling is because 3 of it's members have the sport and would be without a conference if they didn't start one.

[Fresno St. Alum]

yup, Fresno St. won the 2008 NCAA baseball championship, the #3 NCAA sport, you know what that does to help us get in the MWC? Nothing! The MWC is more impressed with our 3rd place finish in the WAC for football and concerned about us being in 5th in basketball.

Quinn a lot of guys just don't understand the details that go into this stuff. App St. beat Michigan put them in the BE or CUSA. umm no. Valpo had to be good at basketball for 10 years to finally get a spot in the Horizon. That's a low level conf. Boise St. to the PAC 10? Never! Fresno St was in the PAC 10 for men's soccer then we dropped it.

MAC has 13 for fb and 12 for all sports so WTF?

The WAC may be just as good as the MWC but every WAC member would leave for the MWC if offered and no MWC member would want in the WAC. Its a pecking order MWC > WAC.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Question for Quinn, Sac St., UCD, CP, Portland St., Lamar peeps. If the WAC was desperate and was turned down by Montana would any of these other make the jump even if they weren't ready or still needed a bigger basketball arena? If 4 left the WAC they'd round up UTSA, Texas St. putting them at 7.

[collegesportsinfo]

Question for Quinn, Sac St., UCD, CP, Portland St., Lamar peeps. If the WAC was desperate and was turned down by Montana would any of these other make the jump even if they weren't ready or still needed a bigger basketball arena? If 4 left the WAC they'd round up UTSA, Texas St. putting them at 7.

Tough call. Schools would need FBS football facilities and also something adequate for basketball. Ideally they'd all have great on campus arenas. I think for some schools, there is more flexibility on the basketball side though. Portland St. could play some hoops games at the Rose Garden, much like Big East teams playing some games in the nearby urban arenas while other games in their smaller on-campus sites.

The WAC though needs schools. And our region needs more at the highest level. Because if the WAC folded, it wouldn't shock me to see SJSU drop football and join the Big West. And you'd have isolated schools with no conference like Idaho (is BSU went to MWC).

[SDHornet]

Question for Quinn, Sac St., UCD, CP, Portland St., Lamar peeps. If the WAC was desperate and was turned down by Montana would any of these other make the jump even if they weren't ready or still needed a bigger basketball arena? If 4 left the WAC they'd round up UTSA, Texas St. putting them at 7.

Well if Sac State had the funding for the additional scholarships, I have no doubt they would make a jump, especially if the WAC loses 3-4 teams. My concern would be what the geographic footprint of the WAC looks like after all the dominoes fall. It wouldn't make sense for Sac State to jump to the WAC if they have to fly to La Tech and other remote places without getting a trade off for some regional schools (SJSU, Fresno State and Nevada if they stay WAC, CP and ucd if they jump too). It all depends on what direction the WAC went. Being a CA resident, it would be nice to see them more centered around CA and schools therein. Seeing as the WAC had some Texas schools once before, they could very well go that route again. Eventually I think all 3 CA FCS teams make a jump to FBS.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Question for Quinn, Sac St., UCD, CP, Portland St., Lamar peeps. If the WAC was desperate and was turned down by Montana would any of these other make the jump even if they weren't ready or still needed a bigger basketball arena? If 4 left the WAC they'd round up UTSA, Texas St. putting them at 7.

Well if Sac State had the funding for the additional scholarships, I have no doubt they would make a jump, especially if the WAC loses 3-4 teams. My concern would be what the geographic footprint of the WAC looks like after all the dominoes fall. It wouldn't make sense for Sac State to jump to the WAC if they have to fly to La Tech and other remote places without getting a trade off for some regional schools (SJSU, Fresno State and Nevada if they stay WAC, CP and ucd if they jump too). It all depends on what direction the WAC went. Being a CA resident, it would be nice to see them more centered around CA and schools therein. Seeing as the WAC had some Texas schools once before, they could very well go that route again. Eventually I think all 3 CA FCS teams make a jump to FBS.

Well you'd figure Boise St., Nevada, Fresno St. would be gone along with La Tech. The MWC if they wanted to get back into Texas (TCU in the Big 12) They could go to the eastern border with Houston. They could take SMU and UTEP too. If the MWC lost TCU and Utah and went to 12. I say 3 from the WAC join and 2 from CUSA.

[Keeper]

I still contend that, when the moratorium is lifted, the NCAA will re-mandate FBS requirements,
and some teams will be forced to relocate to FCS, enforcement will become a thing of reality.

The candidates are obvious:
Utah State, NM State, Idaho, Kent State, Eastern Mich, Akron, half the SBC.