wrong buttonyoungterrier wrote:having your life threatened or taken isn't part of anyone's job descriptionALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:They have a choice to work there and they can suffer the consequences for doing so.
I have no sympathy for any government employee they have a much deserved target on their back.
by your logic the teachers, firemen, Mailmen, and Police officers should head for the hills
I feel the same way after reading many of your posts.JohnStOnge wrote:I'm going to try to say this as diplomatically as I can. Let's just say that some people would never work for an agency like the IRS. Some people would look at working for the IRS like they'd look at working for the Schutzstaffel in Germany during the 1930s and early 1940s. Yes, it's working for an institution that is legal within the context of its society. But you have to wonder about somebody who would work for an element of oppression like that. I frankly have a hard time believing any decent person would do it.Of course you do, because like him you're a dickhead and fail to realize that IRS employees are just like you - trying to make a living and support their family.
Get over yourself...there is no way to justify this moron's actions. He didn't just hate the IRS, he hated everyone because he felt slighted by society. Give me a break, grow up, and be a man. Try contributing something to society other than "unjust taxes"...actually, this guy did contribute something, he ended his life. Unfortunately, he took someone else out too.
youngterrier wrote:I will give JSO some credit though, most of the Kool-Aid drinkers at the conk Kool-Aid convention that was the political wing on AGS don't have the stones to come over here and debate stuff.
OK junior.
A national consumption tax would fix all of this.dbackjon wrote:So you eliminate the IRS. What do you replace it with? Or in your fantasy world, is paying taxes/customs voluntary?
Revenuers, by definition, have to be somewhat ruthless. Unless, of course, you prefer anarchy.
It is an either/or situation. Either you have a tax collection agency, or you have no government.
Can't have it both ways.
And you'd still need a revenue agency.bobbythekidd wrote:A national consumption tax would fix all of this.dbackjon wrote:So you eliminate the IRS. What do you replace it with? Or in your fantasy world, is paying taxes/customs voluntary?
Revenuers, by definition, have to be somewhat ruthless. Unless, of course, you prefer anarchy.
It is an either/or situation. Either you have a tax collection agency, or you have no government.
Can't have it both ways.
but you would eliminate audits and tax specialists, no?danefan wrote:And you'd still need a revenue agency.bobbythekidd wrote:
A national consumption tax would fix all of this.
Correct. But they would not be in the homes of the citizens demanding proof of anything. They would be at the grocery stores and wal mart looking at their books. The citizens don't have to give up wage, investments, bank info, etc. The "IRS" would be rather tame in the eyes of you and me.danefan wrote:And you'd still need a revenue agency.bobbythekidd wrote:
A national consumption tax would fix all of this.
bobbythekidd wrote:Correct. But they would not be in the homes of the citizens demanding proof of anything. They would be at the grocery stores and wal mart looking at their books. The citizens don't have to give up wage, investments, bank info, etc. The "IRS" would be rather tame in the eyes of you and me.danefan wrote:
And you'd still need a revenue agency.
How is that any different than the job of the IRS agent now? Ensure the proper amount of tax is collected and refund any overpayment. Its the same function.dgreco wrote:but you would eliminate audits and tax specialists, no?danefan wrote:
And you'd still need a revenue agency.
the only job of the revenue office would be to collect the tax and then send back out stipends for those who are eligible for some subsidized goods.
The vast majority of people that have trouble now with income tax issues are owners of small businesses and independent contractors that do not (or cannot) spend the money or keep their books well enough to determine what their estimated payments should be.bobbythekidd wrote:Correct. But they would not be in the homes of the citizens demanding proof of anything. They would be at the grocery stores and wal mart looking at their books. The citizens don't have to give up wage, investments, bank info, etc. The "IRS" would be rather tame in the eyes of you and me.danefan wrote:
And you'd still need a revenue agency.
You're right, but it would be nice to have more control over our own taxes. Most business already collect a "consumption tax," so it wouldn't be much of a change for more businesses, only the amount collected. It's a pipe dream, that most likely will never happen, but I think it's a great idea.danefan wrote:How is that any different than the job of the IRS agent now? Ensure the proper amount of tax is collected and refund any overpayment. Its the same function.dgreco wrote:
but you would eliminate audits and tax specialists, no?
the only job of the revenue office would be to collect the tax and then send back out stipends for those who are eligible for some subsidized goods.
The vast majority of people that have trouble now with income tax issues are owners of small businesses and independent contractors that do not (or cannot) spend the money or keep their books well enough to determine what their estimated payments should be.bobbythekidd wrote:
Correct. But they would not be in the homes of the citizens demanding proof of anything. They would be at the grocery stores and wal mart looking at their books. The citizens don't have to give up wage, investments, bank info, etc. The "IRS" would be rather tame in the eyes of you and me.
Those problems would not really change if the same people were required to collect a consumption tax. The revenue agency would still need to be able to see their books to ensure the proper tax was collected. The same as the state sales/use tax collection agencies that are currently in existence.
It does solve the problem of the average working Joe giving up his wage, investment, bank info, but I don't really have a problem with that. I understand a move to a consumption tax if the mentality is to get away from that type of "invasion". But moving to a consumption tax will not solve the issue that some people have with a revenue agency.
Yes, I agree on the control aspect as well. Don't get me wrong, I like the consumption tax idea, but for reasons other than the revenue agency problem.ASUMountaineer wrote:You're right, but it would be nice to have more control over our own taxes. Most business already collect a "consumption tax," so it wouldn't be much of a change for more businesses, only the amount collected. It's a pipe dream, that most likely will never happen, but I think it's a great idea.danefan wrote:
How is that any different than the job of the IRS agent now? Ensure the proper amount of tax is collected and refund any overpayment. Its the same function.
The vast majority of people that have trouble now with income tax issues are owners of small businesses and independent contractors that do not (or cannot) spend the money or keep their books well enough to determine what their estimated payments should be.
Those problems would not really change if the same people were required to collect a consumption tax. The revenue agency would still need to be able to see their books to ensure the proper tax was collected. The same as the state sales/use tax collection agencies that are currently in existence.
It does solve the problem of the average working Joe giving up his wage, investment, bank info, but I don't really have a problem with that. I understand a move to a consumption tax if the mentality is to get away from that type of "invasion". But moving to a consumption tax will not solve the issue that some people have with a revenue agency.
I hear ya.danefan wrote:Yes, I agree on the control aspect as well. Don't get me wrong, I like the consumption tax idea, but for reasons other than the revenue agency problem.ASUMountaineer wrote:
You're right, but it would be nice to have more control over our own taxes. Most business already collect a "consumption tax," so it wouldn't be much of a change for more businesses, only the amount collected. It's a pipe dream, that most likely will never happen, but I think it's a great idea.
+1Ibanez wrote:Anyway, back on topic. This guy has repeatedly failed to pay taxes for his businesses going back to 1994. Perhaps he should’ve played by the rules like the rest of us. Yeah, taxes suck but they are important. The IRS isn’t evil. The IRS is simply following what our bonehead legislators, which we elect, write into law. His wife was smart to leave the night before, but she should’ve had him checked out. His “woe is me” complaint is bullshit and I feel sorry for the two families that are without their loved ones.
+2Ibanez wrote:Anyway, back on topic. This guy has repeatedly failed to pay taxes for his businesses going back to 1994. Perhaps he should’ve played by the rules like the rest of us. Yeah, taxes suck but they are important. The IRS isn’t evil. The IRS is simply following what our bonehead legislators, which we elect, write into law. His wife was smart to leave the night before, but she should’ve had him checked out. His “woe is me” complaint is bullshit and I feel sorry for the two families that are without their loved ones.
+3Ibanez wrote:Anyway, back on topic. This guy has repeatedly failed to pay taxes for his businesses going back to 1994. Perhaps he should’ve played by the rules like the rest of us. Yeah, taxes suck but they are important. The IRS isn’t evil. The IRS is simply following what our bonehead legislators, which we elect, write into law. His wife was smart to leave the night before, but she should’ve had him checked out. His “woe is me” complaint is bullshit and I feel sorry for the two families that are without their loved ones.
+4Appaholic wrote:+3Ibanez wrote:Anyway, back on topic. This guy has repeatedly failed to pay taxes for his businesses going back to 1994. Perhaps he should’ve played by the rules like the rest of us. Yeah, taxes suck but they are important. The IRS isn’t evil. The IRS is simply following what our bonehead legislators, which we elect, write into law. His wife was smart to leave the night before, but she should’ve had him checked out. His “woe is me” complaint is bullshit and I feel sorry for the two families that are without their loved ones.
Dude needed to sack up, pay his taxes or accept his fate as a tax protester. At the very least, he should have steered the plane towards the capitol dome in DC or Austin who are the folks we elect to make the tax law. But instead, the coward chose to impact & destroy the lives of people who probably earned less than him over the years....what a fokking coward....
I don't know - the other side of the aisle didn't acquit themselves well either back in the day over there. I seem to remember "caucuses" being set up so that people didn't have to have suffer the hardship of having people with different views chime in. Actually, that was a pretty good microcosm of America today - neither side wanting to hear from the other side at all, with a bunch of non-partisans stuck in the middle shaking their heads at it all.youngterrier wrote:I will give JSO some credit though, most of the Kool-Aid drinkers at the conk Kool-Aid convention that was the political wing on AGS don't have the stones to come over here and debate stuff.
Right on Jigga.Appaholic wrote:+3Ibanez wrote:Anyway, back on topic. This guy has repeatedly failed to pay taxes for his businesses going back to 1994. Perhaps he should’ve played by the rules like the rest of us. Yeah, taxes suck but they are important. The IRS isn’t evil. The IRS is simply following what our bonehead legislators, which we elect, write into law. His wife was smart to leave the night before, but she should’ve had him checked out. His “woe is me” complaint is bullshit and I feel sorry for the two families that are without their loved ones.
Dude needed to sack up, pay his taxes or accept his fate as a tax protester. At the very least, he should have steered the plane towards the capitol dome in DC or Austin who are the folks we elect to make the tax law. But instead, the coward chose to impact & destroy the lives of people who probably earned less than him over the years....what a fokking coward....
It wouldn't help him at all NOW.dbackjon wrote:So he was a small business owner that couldn't figure out his taxes. And a consumption tax would have helped him HOW?
Assuming the rate was 25%, and he had $100 in revenue, he sends in a check for $25. It's really simple.dbackjon wrote:So he was a small business owner that couldn't figure out his taxes. And a consumption tax would have helped him HOW?
It was his CPA, that he must've continued going to, that failed to file taxes for 3 or 4 years.dbackjon wrote:So he was a small business owner that couldn't figure out his taxes. And a consumption tax would have helped him HOW?
