GOP Rep: Blacks Worse Off Now Than Under Slavery

[D1B]

Teaching abstinence only is not perfect, but recent studies have shown that it works better than early sex education.

http://www.aolnews.com/health/article/s ... d/19341448

Perfect? LOL...

One study showed NON-RELIGIOUS worked for a while. Many, many others have shown it to be an abject failure.

Game, set, match Dback

SMFH at Naieve cherrypicking.... AOL!

[native]

Perfect? LOL...

One study showed NON-RELIGIOUS worked for a while. Many, many others have shown it to be an abject failure.

Game, set, match Dback

SMFH at Naieve cherrypicking.... AOL!

Cherrypicking???? Game, set match???

The study was conducted by a reputable researcher at the Universty of Pennsylvania and published in the peer-reveiwed journal "Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine." Could you please cite a few of the "many others" which you claim to have proven abstinence education an "abject failure?"

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten ... 2/152?home

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... v=hcmodule

As usual, jon and d1b, you have honored yourselves prematurely.

[D1B]

SMFH at Naieve cherrypicking.... AOL!

Cherrypicking???? Game, set match???

The study was conducted by a reputable researcher at the Universty of Pennsylvania and published in the peer-reveiwed journal "Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine." Could you please cite a few of the "many others" which you claim to have proven abstinence education an "abject failure?"

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten ... 2/152?home

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... v=hcmodule

As usual, jon and d1b, you have honored yourselves prematurely.

It aint working dumbass. Billions spent during the Bush Administration and according to YOUR FUCKING STUDIES, teen pregnancy rates rose for the 1st time in eons.

Use your brain or get the fuck out of here asshole.

[native]

Cherrypicking???? Game, set match???

The study was conducted by a reputable researcher at the Universty of Pennsylvania and published in the peer-reveiwed journal "Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine." Could you please cite a few of the "many others" which you claim to have proven abstinence education an "abject failure?"

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten ... 2/152?home

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... v=hcmodule

As usual, jon and d1b, you have honored yourselves prematurely.

It aint working dumbass. Billions spent during the Bush Administration and according to YOUR FUCKING STUDIES, teen pregnancy rates rose for the 1st time in eons.

Use your brain or get the **** out of here *******.

Blah, blah, blah... citations, please?

[youngterrier]

SMFH at Naieve cherrypicking.... AOL!

Cherrypicking???? Game, set match???

The study was conducted by a reputable researcher at the Universty of Pennsylvania and published in the peer-reveiwed journal "Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine." Could you please cite a few of the "many others" which you claim to have proven abstinence education an "abject failure?"

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten ... 2/152?home

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... v=hcmodule

As usual, jon and d1b, you have honored yourselves prematurely.

I heard somewhere that those studies weren't strictly abstinence only

[D1B]

It aint working dumbass. Billions spent during the Bush Administration and according to YOUR FUCKING STUDIES, teen pregnancy rates rose for the 1st time in eons.

Use your brain or get the **** out of here *******.

Blah, blah, blah... citations, please?

Hey, fuck you, you little kid. I got a fucking life and aint gonna waste my time finding fucking studies, for you. You're another conk christian dumbass and anything I do aint gonna change that fact. I don't give a flying fuck about you.

Find em yourself, fuckhead.

[JohnStOnge]

The headline is not an accurate representation of what he said. He did not say that living Blacks now are worse off than living blacks were under slavery. He said that a higher proportion of the Black population is killed now. And, if you accept the premise that unborn Blacks are part of the Black population, that's true. I think it's a pretty strong premise.

If a Black makes it out of the womb nowdays, he or she is better off. The problem is that a very high percentage of Blacks never makes it out of the womb.

[native]

Blah, blah, blah... citations, please?

Hey, **** you, you little kid. I got a **** life and aint gonna waste my time finding **** studies, for you. You're another conk christian dumbass and anything I do aint gonna change that fact. I don't give a flying **** about you.

Find em yourself, ****.

I did find and post the citation myself.

If you wish to disagree, do your homework.

[D1B]

Hey, **** you, you little kid. I got a **** life and aint gonna waste my time finding **** studies, for you. You're another conk christian dumbass and anything I do aint gonna change that fact. I don't give a flying **** about you.

Find em yourself, ****.

I did find and post the citation myself.

If you wish to disagree, do your homework.

Fuck you. I'll disagree if I want to. This aint school.

[native]

Cherrypicking???? Game, set match???

The study was conducted by a reputable researcher at the Universty of Pennsylvania and published in the peer-reveiwed journal "Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine." Could you please cite a few of the "many others" which you claim to have proven abstinence education an "abject failure?"

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten ... 2/152?home

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... v=hcmodule

As usual, jon and d1b, you have honored yourselves prematurely.

I heard somewhere that those studies weren't strictly abstinence only

You're a smart kid, YT. Instead of speculating, let's pick apart the studies and see where the chips fall. What do you say?

[hank scorpio]

Is this guy pro death penalty?

[AZGrizFan]

I did find and post the citation myself.

If you wish to disagree, do your homework.

Fuck you. I'll disagree if I want to. This aint school.

Native, Douche1Bags like D don't need no stinking PROOF. He's too COOL for school.

[native]

Is this guy pro death penalty?

Me? Yes. I think the punishment is fitting for a variety of crimes, but I have doubts that the system works properly to get the guilty party.

Young Terrier? I think so but I am not sure. YT?

The author of the cited study? No idea.

[hank scorpio]

Is this guy pro death penalty?

Me? Yes. I think the punishment is fitting for a variety of crimes, but I have doubts that the system works properly to get the guilty party.

Young Terrier? I think so but I am not sure. YT?

The author of the cited study? No idea.

I meant Franks.

My point being, I see many conservatives that are pro-life and pro-death penalty.

[native]

Me? Yes. I think the punishment is fitting for a variety of crimes, but I have doubts that the system works properly to get the guilty party.

Young Terrier? I think so but I am not sure. YT?

The author of the cited study? No idea.

I meant Franks.

My point being, I see many conservatives that are pro-life and pro-death penalty.

I would be one of those pro-life AND pro-death penalty conks, HS!

There is a profound difference between an innocent life that never had a chance and a guilty criminal who had choices but blew them. It is not that I think the criminal's life has zero value, but I sure as hell DO think that the criminal's life has less value than that of his next innocent victim.

However, I am not absolutely for the death penalty in all cases, because the criminal justice system sometimes makes mistakes due to corruption and incompetence.

Likewise, I am not against abortion in all cases because there may be some things worse than death. Growing up in an extremely abusive environment might be one of those things, but how do we know ahead of time?!??? ...and how do we decide?

[hank scorpio]

I see it as hypocritical.

Beyond that, life imprisonment is better for the following reasons:

1 The death penalty is not a deterrent to most deadly crimes.
2 It is applied unevenly. African Americans made up 41% of death row inmates while making up only 12% of the general population. (fitting for this thread)
3 An average death penalty trial costs a state about $2 million more than a murder trial where no death penalty is sought.
4 Keeping an inmate on death row costs $90,000 a year in extra security.
5 It makes us a brutal regime

But I would be in support of:

[native]

I see it as hypocritical.

Beyond that, life imprisonment is better for the following reasons:

1 The death penalty is not a deterrent to most deadly crimes.
2 It is applied unevenly. African Americans made up 41% of death row inmates while making up only 12% of the general population. (fitting for this thread)
3 An average death penalty trial costs a state about $2 million more than a murder trial where no death penalty is sought.
4 Keeping an inmate on death row costs $90,000 a year in extra security.
5 It makes us a brutal regime...

With the possible exception of #5, your points are well taken, HS, but you do not make the case for hypocrisy.

There are far too many differences between consciously aborting an INNOCENT human life and punishing a GUILTY CRIMINAL to make a case for hypocrisy. I am not against abortion because the unborn baby is human. I am against abortion because the unborn baby is a BLAMELESS human.

If, by "brutal regime" you mean to imply that the death penalty is "cruel and unusual," that is an absurd concept for certain heinous crimes, for example child rape or serial torture/murder.

[hank scorpio]

This is more of what I was going for:

It places the United States among the world's most brutal regimes.

Not exactly good company we are keeping here.
China
Iran
Saudi Arabia
North Korea
United States of America
Pakistan
Iraq
Vietnam
Afghanistan
Japan
Yemen
Indonesia
Libya
Sudan
Bangladesh
Belarus
Somalia
Egypt
United Arab Emirates
Malaysia
Mongolia
Singapore
Syria
Bahrain
Botswana
Saint Kitts and Nevis

[AZGrizFan]

I see it as hypocritical.

Beyond that, life imprisonment is better for the following reasons:

1 The death penalty is not a deterrent to most deadly crimes.

Sure it is. They never commit another crime after they're killed, do they?

2 It is applied unevenly. African Americans made up 41% of death row inmates while making up only 12% of the general population. (fitting for this thread)

Don't do the crime, and you won't get the penalty.

3 An average death penalty trial costs a state about $2 million more than a murder trial where no death penalty is sought.

It should be reserved for only the most obvious of cases. And this is more an indictment of the bastardization of our legal system than the merits of the death penalty.

4 Keeping an inmate on death row costs $90,000 a year in extra security.

Again, an indictment our legal system. Fix the PROBLEM, not a symptom.

5 It makes us a brutal regime

Boo hoo. Cry me a frickin' river.

By the way, I'm a "pro-choice", "pro-death penalty" conk, so no hypocrisy here.

[Benne]

I heard somewhere that those studies weren't strictly abstinence only

You're a smart kid, YT. Instead of speculating, let's pick apart the studies and see where the chips fall. What do you say?

I'm not going to pick it apart, but you don't see a problem with the results of a study done on 6th and 7th graders over the course of two years. Where is the rest of the data from when they were 14-18 years old?

[houndawg]

"Freakonmics" made a strongly supported argument that abortion has a positive effect on crime statistics.

[native]

You're a smart kid, YT. Instead of speculating, let's pick apart the studies and see where the chips fall. What do you say?

I'm not going to pick it apart, but you don't see a problem with the results of a study done on 6th and 7th graders over the course of two years. Where is the rest of the data from when they were 14-18 years old?

It's just a study, benne. A follow up with 14-18 year olds would be a great idea. In the meantime, we should be using all the available tools in our kit bag, including abstinence training.

[native]

"Freakonmics" made a strongly supported argument that abortion has a positive effect on crime statistics.

There was also an anti-freakonomics book that picked some of the original apart.

[houndawg]

"Freakonmics" made a strongly supported argument that abortion has a positive effect on crime statistics.

There was also an anti-freakonomics book that picked some of the original apart.

Picked what apart?

[Ibanez]

This is more of what I was going for:

It places the United States among the world's most brutal regimes.

Not exactly good company we are keeping here.
China
Iran
Saudi Arabia
North Korea
United States of America
Pakistan
Iraq
Vietnam
Afghanistan
Japan
Yemen
Indonesia
Libya
Sudan
Bangladesh
Belarus
Somalia
Egypt
United Arab Emirates
Malaysia
Mongolia
Singapore
Syria
Bahrain
Botswana
Saint Kitts and Nevis

WTF did Saint Kitts and Nevis do?