Glenn Beck.....it boggles my mind

[youngterrier]

I apologize if you think I have put words in your mouth. It was not intentional. Although not on this thread, I perceive your posts overall to be grounded in analysis and a spirit of inquiry unlike many of the jokesters and subversives who lurk here.

You have put a few words in my mouth as well. I have never attacked private charity as being communist.

But that's exactly what Beck did when he suggested that if you hear a preacher use the term social justice you should run like hell and then went to the visual aids of the swastika and hammer and sickle.

Personally I think you're smarter than that and should run like hell from Beck.

I'll save myself some time and just say this post was what I was trying to say THE WHOLE FREAKING TIME

[native]

I apologize if you think I have put words in your mouth. It was not intentional. Although not on this thread, I perceive your posts overall to be grounded in analysis and a spirit of inquiry unlike many of the jokesters and subversives who lurk here.

You have put a few words in my mouth as well. I have never attacked private charity as being communist.

Jokesters lurking in the poli wing of a football message board

The horror!

We're trying to solve the worlds problems here, these clowns better get with the program or else nobody will take them seriously.

You are a jokester with both a heart and a brain, BlueHen86! (corrected)

[youngterrier]

you mean Hen86 I hope...

[native]

you mean Hen86 I hope...

This time I made a SERIOUS mistake! The horror!

Thank you for the correction, YT. Usually, I call him Mr. Blue Pants or BP.

[BDKJMU]

one of my favorites:
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the attacks on Jones are pure McCarthyism, the man said he wasn't a communist

BS, the man said he was a communist. So if he later comes out and says he's not, you're going to simply believe him? Just like McCarthy was right about a lot of those he accused of being a commie, so is Beck about Jones.

Jones is a self described communist. IS ON RECORD in the 1990s STATING he was a communist, and he had radical left wing associations during the 90s and the past decade.

"I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th [1992], and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist. (...)

I met all these young radical people of color – I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.' I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary."
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-722- ... King-riots" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He was invloved with Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM), a socialist group whose official Points of Unity "upheld revolutionary democracy, revolutionary feminism, revolutionary internationalism, the central role of the working class, urban Marxism, and Third World Communism." (wiki)

Jones was a signed a petition by 911truth.org, the wack group that thinks 911 was an inside job.

Only a left wing loon would defend Van Jones.

[youngterrier]

one of my favorites:
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the attacks on Jones are pure McCarthyism, the man said he wasn't a communist

BS, just like McCarthy was right about a lot of those he accused of being a commie, so is Beck about Jones. Jones IS ON RECORD in the 1990s STATING he was a communist, and he had radical left wing associations during the 90s and the past decade.

If I'm not mistaken Jones came out with non-communist comments recently which is why it's McCarthyism, Jones says he's not Beck says he is--who do we trust? the one with the microphone

either way Obama shouldn't of appointed him (did he think it wouldn't be a big deal?)

[BDKJMU]

Here's another one:

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if I'm pretty sure our leaders didn't "choose to panic New Yorkers." heck, I don't think Obama knew...but I don't want to look up the story

They either:
-Chose to panic New Yorkers
-Or were incredibly fucking stupid.

[youngterrier]

Here's another one:

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if I'm pretty sure our leaders didn't "choose to panic New Yorkers." heck, I don't think Obama knew...but I don't want to look up the story

They either:
-Chose to panic New Yorkers
-Or were incredibly fucking stupid.

they were pretty stupid, but it wasn't "our leaders" I don't think, it was one of those Bureaucratic things and somebody (unelected) got fired

[BDKJMU]

Welcome to the thread, bench. Any actual pertinent facts or analysis you might care to share, or just the typical visceral and vacuous hysteria?

Actually, you do not get it. What I like about Beck is the provocative fecundity of the ideas he throws out on his program.

Similar to invoking Hitler, anytime you use "provacative fecundity of ideas" in a sentence you've probably lost the battle.

What you and Glenn fail to realize is the guys making $7.00 an hour washing your car or those advocating for them are no more of a threat to your well being, the US economy, or liberty than the dudes writing Glenn's payroll checks and managing banks that are too big to fail.

Fed minimum wage is $7.25. Plus at car washes those guys get tips. Hopefully if someone is too lazy to wash their car and have someone do it for you hopefully they're not too much of a cheap bastard to tip them.

[BDKJMU]

BS, just like McCarthy was right about a lot of those he accused of being a commie, so is Beck about Jones. Jones IS ON RECORD in the 1990s STATING he was a communist, and he had radical left wing associations during the 90s and the past decade.

If I'm not mistaken Jones came out as a non-communist recently which is why it's McCarthyism, Jones says he's not Beck says he is--who do we trust? the one with the microphone

either way Obama shouldn't of appointed him (did he think it wouldn't be a big deal?)

Dude, Jones is ON RECORD stating he was a commie. Plus look at his past associations. So it doesn't matter what he says now. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ITS A DUCK!

I don't have to go with Beck on this one, I don't need Beck to tell me Jones is a commie to know Jones is a commie.

[youngterrier]

If I'm not mistaken Jones came out as a non-communist recently which is why it's McCarthyism, Jones says he's not Beck says he is--who do we trust? the one with the microphone

either way Obama shouldn't of appointed him (did he think it wouldn't be a big deal?)

Dude, Jones is ON RECORD stating he was a commie. Plus look at his past associations. So it doesn't matter what he says now. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ITS A DUCK!

I don't have to go with Beck on this one, I don't need Beck to tell me Jones is a commie to know Jones is a commie.

so it's impossible for one to change one's political positions?

[native]

Dude, Jones is ON RECORD stating he was a commie. Plus look at his past associations. So it doesn't matter what he says now. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ITS A DUCK!

I don't have to go with Beck on this one, I don't need Beck to tell me Jones is a commie to know Jones is a commie.

so it's impossible for one to change one's political positions?

YT, I don't think Jones has repudiated communism or changed his political stripes. He has only apologized for embarrassing the Obama administration with his truther comments.

[BDKJMU]

Reread what Beck said, Native.

"I beg you look for the words social justice or economic justice on your church Web site," he said. "If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. ... Am I advising people to leave their church? Yes! If they're going to Jeremiah Wright's church, yes!

"If you have a priest that is pushing social justice, go find another parish," he said. "Go alert your bishop and tell them, 'Excuse me, are you down with this whole social justice thing?' If it's my church, I'm alerting the church authorities: 'Excuse me, what's this social justice thing?' And if they say, 'Yeah, we're all in on this social justice thing,' I am in the wrong place."

So... I wonder if Glenn Beck is going to start his own denomination. I know he'd have one loyal follower in native.

What denomination doesn't preach "social justice"....?

United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
http://www.usccb.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Episcopal Church
http://ecusa.anglican.org/social-justice.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

United Methodist Church
http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=1686" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

American Baptist Churches
http://www.abc-usa.org/WhoWeAre/Vision/ ... fault.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Vatican
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2 ... =&aql=&oq=" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints <--his own church website. I wonder if he's still a Mormon.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2 ... =&aql=&oq=" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You only gave a partial list of the largest denominations in the US. with the 5 denominations you listed, the Catholics, Episcopal, Methodists, American Baptists, and Mormons, that do preach social/economic justice in their mission/values statements.

-Didn't see anything in the Presbyterian (PCUSA) preaching social justice but could have missed it.
http://www.pcusa.org/navigation/whoweare.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-I'm too lazy to look up Lutheran.

-Southern Baptist, which is the largest protestant denomination in the US, I would bet wouldn't have any preaching on social/economic justice in their mission/values statements, but too lazy too look up.

-As far as the Episcopalians, they are the Province of the Anglican Communion in the United States and some other scattered countries. Because of the Episcopal Church in the USA going liberal, you've had 3 Diocese, Pittsburgh, Ft Worth, and Quincy (Il) leave the Episcopal Church and join the Anglican Church of the Southern Cone of America. Plus 8 denominations in VA left and formed the Anglican District of Virginia, which became part of the Convocation of Anglicans in North America. Too lazy to look up whether or not any of these more conservative Anglican Churches have anything about social and economic justice in their mission statements.

-Church of the Brethren: Was curious here, as an ex gf was Brethren. Didn't see anything for economic and/or social justice in any of their mission/values statements (kind of surprisingly. Did see "justice mentioned several times
http://www.brethren.org/site/PageServer ... irect=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.brethrenchurch.org:8080/web/ ... 2A5D1C2C32" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What denomination doesn't preach "social justice"....?

I know I've left off some denominations. But in answer to your question, looks like there could be several.

In my youth my family was a member of the Episcopalian and then Presbyterian Churches. I my adult life I have mostly been non church going with a little dabbling in the Methodist and Presbyterian Churches. If I ever do become church going again on a regular basis and hear the words "social justice" or "economic justice" being preached about, I won't immediately run like Beck suggested (which was also as Baldy stated taken out of context) but I will be listening very carefully to how its presented and in what context. If it sounds like to me it was in the govt/socialist redistribution vain, then I would have to find a new church to go to.

[BDKJMU]

What denomination doesn't preach "social justice"....?
United Methodist Church
http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=1686" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

dAmm
I'm a communist

And clicking around on that section of their website provides quite a bit that would make native and Beck's blood boil.

We claim all economic systems to be under the judgment of God no less than other facets of the created order. Therefore, we recognize the responsibility of governments to develop and implement sound fiscal and monetary policies that provide for the economic life of individuals and corporate entities and that ensure full employment and adequate incomes with a minimum of inflation. We believe private and public economic enterprises are responsible for the social costs of doing business, such as employment and environmental pollution, and that they should be held accountable for these costs. We support measures that would reduce the concentration of wealth in the hands of a few. We further support efforts to revise tax structures and to eliminate governmental support programs that now benefit the wealthy at the expense of other persons.

Therefore, we do not hold poor people morally responsible for their economic state. To begin to alleviate poverty, we support such policies as: adequate income maintenance, quality education, decent housing, job training, meaningful employment opportunities, adequate medical and hospital care, and humanization and radical revisions of welfare programs.

We support the right of public and private (including farm, government, institutional, and domestic) employees and employers to organize for collective bargaining into unions and other groups of their own choosing. Further, we support the right of both parties to protection in so doing and their responsibility to bargain in good faith within the framework of the public interest. In order that the rights of all members of the society may be maintained and promoted, we support innovative bargaining procedures that include representatives of the public interest in negotiation and settlement of labor-management contracts, including some that may lead to forms of judicial resolution of issues. We reject the use of violence by either party during collective bargaining or any labor/management disagreement. We likewise reject the permanent replacement of a worker who engages in a lawful strike.

Every person has the right to a job at a living wage. Where the private sector cannot or does not provide jobs for all who seek and need them, it is the responsibility of government to provide for the creation of such jobs. We support social measures that ensure the physical and mental safety of workers, that provide for the equitable division of products and services, and that encourage an increasing freedom in the way individuals may use their leisure time.

We recognize the opportunity leisure provides for creative contributions to society and encourage methods that allow workers additional blocks of discretionary time. We support educational, cultural, and recreational outlets that enhance the use of such time. We believe that persons come before profits. We deplore the selfish spirit that often pervades our economic life. We support policies that encourage the sharing of ideas in the workplace, cooperative and collective work arrangements. We support rights of workers to refuse to work in situations that endanger health and/or life without jeopardy to their jobs. We support policies that would reverse the increasing concentration of business and industry into monopolies.

Migratory and other farm workers, who have long been a special concern of the Church's ministry, are by the nature of their way of life excluded from many of the economic and social benefits enjoyed by other workers. Many of the migrant laborers' situations are aggravated because they are racial and ethnic minority persons who have been oppressed with numerous other inequities within the society.

We call upon our churches to seek to develop programs of service to such migrant people who come within their parish and support their efforts to organize for collective bargaining.

Damn communist fascists pinkos.

One of the reasons my going to the Methodist church (part of which had to do with an ex gf) was rather brief. Their mission statement is way left.

[BDKJMU]

so it's impossible for one to change one's political positions?

YT, I don't think Jones has repudiated communism or changed his political stripes. He has only apologized for embarrassing the Obama administration with his truther comments.

Bingo.

[youngterrier]

What denomination doesn't preach "social justice"....?
United Methodist Church
http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=1686" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


And clicking around on that section of their website provides quite a bit that would make native and Beck's blood boil.











Damn communist fascists pinkos.

One of the reasons my going to the Methodist church (part of which had to do with an ex gf) was rather brief. Their mission statement is way left.

depends on where you go, I'd laugh if you said that about my church

[youngterrier]

so it's impossible for one to change one's political positions?

YT, I don't think Jones has repudiated communism or changed his political stripes. He has only apologized for embarrassing the Obama administration with his truther comments.

he has not come out and said "I am not a communist" but he has had many capitalistic or at least social-capitalistic statements in his recent book and recent speeches such as:
(from his Book the Green Collar economy)

"But the reality is that we are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization. Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need."

and his address to the Center of American Progress:
"Every single thing that we need to beat global warming will also beat the recession. And the challenge is, how do we get the government to be a smart, and limited, catalyst in getting the private sector to take on this challenge?"

you can (and I do) disagree with the strategy but that doesn't sound communist to me

[native]

YT, I don't think Jones has repudiated communism or changed his political stripes. He has only apologized for embarrassing the Obama administration with his truther comments.

he has not come out and said "I am not a communist" but he has had many capitalistic or at least social-capitalistic statements in his recent book and recent speeches such as:
(from his Book the Green Collar economy)

"But the reality is that we are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization. Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need."

and his address to the Center of American Progress:
"Every single thing that we need to beat global warming will also beat the recession. And the challenge is, how do we get the government to be a smart, and limited, catalyst in getting the private sector to take on this challenge?"

you can (and I do) disagree with the strategy but that doesn't sound communist to me

I think our disagreement is with Jones' sincerity. To me he is most likely a communist wolf in democratic sheep's cloting. I do not take his statement on limited government seriously, and as a businessman, I do not wish to be used as a tool in his march toward communism.

[Baldy]

Watching you people go off half cocked and half informed is what really boggles the mind.

Glenn Beck was dong a special on Father Charles Coughlin when he made those statements about "Social Justice". Do yourselves a favor and do a little research on who Father Coughlin was. He was the radical left-wing Canadian priest who coined the term "Social Justice", and formed the National Union for Social Justice.

The pure ignorance on this forum is rather depressing.

The board is a lot smarter when you are not here.

I'm always lurking, 86....always.

[youngterrier]

he has not come out and said "I am not a communist" but he has had many capitalistic or at least social-capitalistic statements in his recent book and recent speeches such as:
(from his Book the Green Collar economy)

"But the reality is that we are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization. Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need."

and his address to the Center of American Progress:
"Every single thing that we need to beat global warming will also beat the recession. And the challenge is, how do we get the government to be a smart, and limited, catalyst in getting the private sector to take on this challenge?"

you can (and I do) disagree with the strategy but that doesn't sound communist to me

I think our disagreement is with Jones' sincerity. To me he is most likely a communist wolf in democratic sheep's cloting. I do not take his statement on limited government seriously, and as a businessman, I do not wish to be used as a tool in his march toward communism.

No the difference between you and me ist that i give people the benefit og the doubt, and i dont think people are out to get me (you and beck could learn something)

[native]

I think our disagreement is with Jones' sincerity. To me he is most likely a communist wolf in democratic sheep's clothing. I do not take his statement on limited government seriously, and as a businessman, I do not wish to be used as a tool in his march toward communism.

No the difference between you and me ist that i give people the benefit og the doubt, and i dont think people are out to get me (you and beck could learn something)

Why do you give an avowed communist the benefit of the doubt and not Beck?

By definition, when the sons-of-bitches steal from my pocket they are out to get me. That's not paranoia, that's real and measurable. Janet Napolitano's attack on people like me in her 2009 National Security Report was chillingly real and a personal betrayal.

Why are you so damn eager to surrender your freedoms?

[youngterrier]

No the difference between you and me ist that i give people the benefit og the doubt, and i dont think people are out to get me (you and beck could learn something)

Why do you give an avowed communist the benefit of the doubt and not Beck?

By definition, when the sons-of-bitches steal from my pocket they are out to get me. That's not paranoia, that's real and measurable. Janet Napolitano's attack on people like me in her 2009 National Security Report was chillingly real and a personal betrayal.

Why are you so damn eager to surrender your freedoms?

1) because there is valid reason to think he's not a communist. Beck is on 5 days a week and his intentions are clear (even though I know he thinks he's doing the right thing)

2) it's paranoia to assume that their goal is to steal from you, I don't agree with it either but you see it as if their trying to hurt you. I see it as they THINK they'll help others and you're not factored into the equation. They are not out to get you (it doesn't mean it's a good policy)

3) again McCarthyism STFU I never advocated any of that

[Skjellyfetti]

Janet Napolitano's attack on people like me in her 2009 National Security Report was chillingly real and a personal betrayal.

That report wasn't about people like you.

It was about people like the guy that shot up the holocaust museum, the guy that crashed his plane into the IRS building, and the guy that blew up the Fed building in OK City.

Your paranoia is showing again.

[youngterrier]

No the difference between you and me ist that i give people the benefit og the doubt, and i dont think people are out to get me (you and beck could learn something)

Why do you give an avowed communist the benefit of the doubt and not Beck?

By definition, when the sons-of-bitches steal from my pocket they are out to get me. That's not paranoia, that's real and measurable. Janet Napolitano's attack on people like me in her 2009 National Security Report was chillingly real and a personal betrayal.

Why are you so damn eager to surrender your freedoms?

Additionally, I give the benefit of th e doubt more than you do. I attack Beck for being crazy but i dont deny he wants to help people. your rhetoric implies that you think all that disagree with you are evil or out to harm you in some way (which is what is wrong with today's political world, everyone thinks everyone is out to get each other)

[native]

Why do you give an avowed communist the benefit of the doubt and not Beck?

By definition, when the sons-of-bitches steal from my pocket they are out to get me. That's not paranoia, that's real and measurable. Janet Napolitano's attack on people like me in her 2009 National Security Report was chillingly real and a personal betrayal.

Why are you so damn eager to surrender your freedoms?

Additionally, I give the benefit of th e doubt more than you do. I attack Beck for being crazy but i dont deny he wants to help people. your rhetoric implies that you think all that disagree with you are evil or out to harm you in some way (which is what is wrong with today's political world, everyone thinks everyone is out to get each other)

Not only do I give the benefit of the doubt more often, YT, I also more readily admit a mistake, recognize an alternative point of view, and demonstrate a willingness to learn something new and change my mind.

Got math? Since there are only about 20% of the posters on this board who agree with me most of the time, and at least 70% with whom I enjoy a relationship of mutual respect on this board, there is a long, long list of those who disagree with me whom I do not consider to be evil or out to get me. Even among the remaining 30% or fewer with whom I do not enjoy a relationship of mutual respect, only a tiny number are "evil," and I cannot think of anyone out to get me personally.

However, it is certainly true that I take redistributionist schemes personally. The harm to me personally and to the nation and our posterity is clear and measurable. What is unfortunately not clear to ideologues and young idealists is the extreme harm such left wing schemes do to the very people they are intended to assist.

It is also quite clear that I have little regard for critics with grandiose schemes who have never actually accomplished anything.