Have we had enough yet?

[houndawg]

'Splain yourself?

For many reasons, including their currency policies and non-enforcement of intellectual proprty rights, our relationship with China is not one of equal partners engaging in "free trade" or "free enterprise." Our gamble in trading with China has been a calculated risk that may or may not be worth it in the end.

Do you actually think we're on good terms with China?

Do you think the North Korean thorn in our side could not exist without the active sponsorship of China?

Do you not understand that our problems with Iran could be resolved if China and Russia were on board?

which is why government shouldn't be involved with trade

Government is trade, son. Where you been for the past 5,000 years?

The only government I can think of that isn't neck deep in trade is the Somali government.

[YoUDeeMan]

Nice example, Cluck - if I do something for you, I expect some compensation (unless it's charity, which I'm not addressing here) and I want to compensate you for what you do for me. But I'm one of those crazy, right leaning guys who wants to get paid when I perform some service. People like this want to get paid for sitting on their damned sofa with the thermostat at 76* bilking those of us who follow something resembling the golden rule out of our hard earned cash. I give heavily to charities - lots of them - but able bodied folks who are just plain lazy get no sympathy from me. People who need things (i.e. elderly, disabled, temporarily unemployed) I have no problem helping to support with my tax dollars. If you work the system for free crap all the time when you're clearly able to make a living, just excuse yourself from the gene pool.

And right now, accross America, there are companies perpetrating the exact same thing and yet somehow, they get a pass.

The entire system is ****, rewarding sloth for individuals as well as corporations. So you can just as easily make the argument that you are stupid if you are not playing the game.

Yes, kalm...if you have one group raping people, it only makes sense to say that poor people are stupid if they also don't join in so they can tag a free piece of ass by also raping people.

Brilliant.

[youngterrier]

which is why government shouldn't be involved with trade

Government is trade, son. Where you been for the past 5,000 years?

The only government I can think of that isn't neck deep in trade is the Somali government.

my point is why is government involved with deciding who/where my business is trading with oversees (that isn't a terrorist group)
it may be called free trade but it isn't free trade

[native]

And right now, accross America, there are companies perpetrating the exact same thing and yet somehow, they get a pass.

The entire system is ****, rewarding sloth for individuals as well as corporations. So you can just as easily make the argument that you are stupid if you are not playing the game.

Yes, kalm...if you have one group raping people, it only makes sense to say that poor people are stupid if they also don't join in so they can tag a free piece of ass by also raping people.

Brilliant.

Similar to the liberal academic trying to explain Obama to me on a plane by saying "We're all in this together."

Like bloody hell! We're all in this together, politically speaking, in the same manner that a rape victim is bound to the a rapist.

[kalm]

Yes, kalm...if you have one group raping people, it only makes sense to say that poor people are stupid if they also don't join in so they can tag a free piece of ass by also raping people.

Brilliant.

Similar to the liberal academic trying to explain Obama to me on a plane by saying "We're all in this together."

Like bloody hell! We're all in this together, politically speaking, in the same manner that a rape victim is bound to the a rapist.

So corporate welfare is ok then. Got it.

Cluck's level of brilliance is not surprising, but I thought you might be against corporate stealing as well.

[native]

Similar to the liberal academic trying to explain Obama to me on a plane by saying "We're all in this together."

Like bloody hell! We're all in this together, politically speaking, in the same manner that a rape victim is bound to the a rapist.

So corporate welfare is ok then. Got it.

Cluck's level of brilliance is not surprising, but I thought you might be against corporate stealing as well.

No, I did not say that, kalm, and I don't get how you drew the conclusion. 'Splain it to me.

[houndawg]

Government is trade, son. Where you been for the past 5,000 years?

The only government I can think of that isn't neck deep in trade is the Somali government.

my point is why is government involved with deciding who/where my business is trading with oversees (that isn't a terrorist group)
it may be called free trade but it isn't free trade

Because government is business.

[youngterrier]

my point is why is government involved with deciding who/where my business is trading with oversees (that isn't a terrorist group)
it may be called free trade but it isn't free trade

Because government is business.

And thats the problem

[houndawg]

Because government is business.

And thats the problem

Part of the problem for sure, but unfortunately business can't stand on it's own without the guvmint around to bail them out. So sad.

[Baldy]

And thats the problem

Part of the problem for sure, but unfortunately business can't stand on it's own without the guvmint around to bail them out. So sad.

Ummm sorry, but business has been bailing out the US government since February 25, 1913.

[houndawg]

Part of the problem for sure, but unfortunately business can't stand on it's own without the guvmint around to bail them out. So sad.

Ummm sorry, but business has been bailing out the US government since February 25, 1913.

Good to see you back in form Baldy, we've missed you while you were taking your meds.

BTW, while you were gone, the government had to bail out our whole "free market" system. It lasted 20 years longer than the Soviet system.

[Baldy]

Ummm sorry, but business has been bailing out the US government since February 25, 1913.

Good to see you back in form Baldy, we've missed you while you were taking your meds.

BTW, while you were gone, the government had to bail out our whole "free market" system. It lasted 20 years longer than the Soviet system.

Sorry dawg, as you are very well aware, I have been right here.

But it's nice to see you are as delusional as ever, some things never change.

[native]

Part of the problem for sure, but unfortunately business can't stand on it's own without the guvmint around to bail them out. So sad.

Ummm sorry, but business has been bailing out the US government since February 25, 1913.

+1 Touche!

[Skjellyfetti]

hey native, i can't wait to see what your next teabagger inspired avatar is after the health care bill passes.

[Baldy]

hey native, i can't wait to see what your next teabagger inspired avatar is after the health care bill passes.

I would suggest a slaughterhouse.
Gonna be a lot of dead Donks laying on the sawdust in November.

[native]

hey native, i can't wait to see what your next teabagger inspired avatar is after the health care bill passes.

It will probably still be an appropriate avatar for the next 30 months.

Obamacare - the gift that keeps on giving.... kinda like herpes.

[Skjellyfetti]

hey native, i can't wait to see what your next teabagger inspired avatar is after the health care bill passes.

I would suggest a slaughterhouse.
Gonna be a lot of dead Donks laying on the sawdust in November.

Democrats will be losing seats in November regardless of how healthcare reform turns out.

It won't be significant and Democrats will keep both houses of Congress... so, don't get too excited, Baldy. Just think of it in these terms... Georgia Southern will be better this fall... but, they won't be competing for a SoCon title.

[Baldy]

I would suggest a slaughterhouse.
Gonna be a lot of dead Donks laying on the sawdust in November.

Democrats will be losing seats in November regardless of how healthcare reform turns out.

It won't be significant and Democrats will keep both houses of Congress... so, don't get too excited, Baldy. Just think of it in these terms... Georgia Southern will be better this fall... but, they won't be competing for a SoCon title.

Until we leave the SoCon or for some reason are deemed ineligible, Georgia Southern will always be competing for the conference title.

Even if this abortion of a bill fails, the Donks lose the house easily and by a large margin. You can take that to the bank. When 2/3 of the people do not want this legislation and the dictators of the House of Representatives pass it anyway, the people will have their voices heard in November. Sorry, that's just the way it will happen. Count on it.

[native]

Democrats will be losing seats in November regardless of how healthcare reform turns out.

It won't be significant and Democrats will keep both houses of Congress... so, don't get too excited, Baldy. Just think of it in these terms... Georgia Southern will be better this fall... but, they won't be competing for a SoCon title.

Until we leave the SoCon or for some reason are deemed ineligible, Georgia Southern will always be competing for the conference title.

Even if this abortion of a bill fails, the Donks lose the house easily and by a large margin. You can take that to the bank. When 2/3 of the people do not want this legislation and the dictators of the House of Representatives pass it anyway, the people will have their voices heard in November. Sorry, that's just the way it will happen. Count on it.

Maybe the Republicans will win a majority in the fall, Baldy, and although they enjoy an advantage over the Dems on the generic ballot, they are still third when the "Tea Party" is added to the equation. I think the Repubs have acquitted themselves about as well as possible in the current Congress and have offered reasonable alternatives for healthcare reform.

The fickle middle can swing back and forth at the drop of a hat, and about a third or so of the opposition to this particular bill is from the elderly who don't want a reduction in their unearned medicare entitlements. There are still a majority of Americans who want something for nothing, so the fundamental problem of trimming the government remains in an environment of great electoral risk and uncertainty.

The bottom line is that I think you are right. The Republicans will win in November because the Democrats will continue to screw up worse than the Republicans between now and then. But until we become more self reliable and independent, we will not elect representatives who can solve our massive growth and debt problems or vote for sufficiently efficient and effective small government solutions.

[houndawg]

Until we leave the SoCon or for some reason are deemed ineligible, Georgia Southern will always be competing for the conference title.

Even if this abortion of a bill fails, the Donks lose the house easily and by a large margin. You can take that to the bank. When 2/3 of the people do not want this legislation and the dictators of the House of Representatives pass it anyway, the people will have their voices heard in November. Sorry, that's just the way it will happen. Count on it.

Maybe the Republicans will win a majority in the fall, Baldy, and although they enjoy an advantage over the Dems on the generic ballot, they are still third when the "Tea Party" is added to the equation. I think the Repubs have acquitted themselves about as well as possible in the current Congress and have offered reasonable alternatives for healthcare reform.

The fickle middle can swing back and forth at the drop of a hat, and about a third or so of the opposition to this particular bill is from the elderly who don't want a reduction in their unearned medicare entitlements. There are still a majority of Americans who want something for nothing, so the fundamental problem of trimming the government remains in an environment of great electoral risk and uncertainty.

The bottom line is that I think you are right. The Republicans will win in November because the Democrats will continue to screw up worse than the Republicans between now and then. But until we become more self reliable and independent, we will not elect representatives who can solve our massive growth and debt problems or vote for sufficiently efficient and effective small government solutions.

You referring to those "unearned medicare entitlements" they paid into their entire working lives?

This just in folks: Pelosi pushes healthcare reform through the House with votes to spare! Looks like I can keep the kids on my insurance a few more years. Thank all the gods for Democrats, they may be crooks, too, but at least they're our crooks. Oh frabjous day!

[Chizzang]

While I have a blast on here sniping at each other talking about politics, I have become so weary of the current situation in America, and I am not talking about Conk vs Donk.

I am sick and tired of all the freeloading motherfuckers out there who are looking for a free handout.

What needs to be done? Seriously, where do we draw the line? I am all for helping those that need help, but we have an epidemic of people who milk the system.

Dude...
worrying about who's getting away with whatever... be it politicians - bankers or wall street bandits or unemployed factory workers or free loaders... worrying about that stuff will kill you

So what, people lie - people steal - people embezzle - whatever...
ultimately it's their own hell that they create - imagine what a miserable life that would be

Just keep your side of the street clean and take care of your family

[AZGrizFan]

While I have a blast on here sniping at each other talking about politics, I have become so weary of the current situation in America, and I am not talking about Conk vs Donk.

I am sick and tired of all the freeloading motherfuckers out there who are looking for a free handout.

What needs to be done? Seriously, where do we draw the line? I am all for helping those that need help, but we have an epidemic of people who milk the system.

Dude...
worrying about who's getting away with whatever... be it politicians - bankers or wall street bandits or unemployed factory workers or free loaders... worrying about that stuff will kill you

So what, people lie - people steal - people embezzle - whatever...
ultimately it's their own hell that they create - imagine what a miserable life that would be

Just keep your side of the street clean and take care of your family

They just created hell for millions of people tonight, cleetus.

[Chizzang]

Dude...
worrying about who's getting away with whatever... be it politicians - bankers or wall street bandits or unemployed factory workers or free loaders... worrying about that stuff will kill you

So what, people lie - people steal - people embezzle - whatever...
ultimately it's their own hell that they create - imagine what a miserable life that would be

Just keep your side of the street clean and take care of your family

They just created hell for millions of people tonight, cleetus.

Not true... not at all
You're being overly dramatic

[SeattleGriz]

While I have a blast on here sniping at each other talking about politics, I have become so weary of the current situation in America, and I am not talking about Conk vs Donk.

I am sick and tired of all the freeloading motherfuckers out there who are looking for a free handout.

What needs to be done? Seriously, where do we draw the line? I am all for helping those that need help, but we have an epidemic of people who milk the system.

Dude...
worrying about who's getting away with whatever... be it politicians - bankers or wall street bandits or unemployed factory workers or free loaders... worrying about that stuff will kill you

So what, people lie - people steal - people embezzle - whatever...
ultimately it's their own hell that they create - imagine what a miserable life that would be

Just keep your side of the street clean and take care of your family

It's not so much that I worry about what others are getting away with, it is more that I am bummed that so many able bodied people won't even put forth an effort.

You are correct though, I do need to look at what me and my family do. Easy at times to get distracted from that goal.

[AZGrizFan]

They just created hell for millions of people tonight, cleetus.

Not true... not at all
You're being overly dramatic

you're not a small business owner. WTF would you know about "hell"? Their work doesn't happen in a vaccuum. It IMPACTS real people, buddy.