Are the Constitution and the Gospel in Conflict?

[native]

...What is your faith, dawg?

Physics....

Are you a fan of Arno Penzias?

[Skjellyfetti]

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[houndawg]

Well...I don't know. If the truth is that there is no God you could lie and cheat and do whatever to your own benefit as much as you want and as long as you weren't caught by human beings there would be no consequences. Or somebody could find himself in a position like Stalin was in. In that case believing in God would only encumber you. You'd be disuaded from killing everybody you thought might be to your advantage to kill when there is really no reason to be disuaded.

If you felt like having sex with a five year old you could do it as long as you weren't caught. Or just on a less reprehensible level you could cheat on your wife without remorse. Then, even if you were caught, it might have been worth it to you depending on how much you enjoyed it. Basically, there would be potential that you could do whatever you want so long as it was either legal or illegal but in a situation where you wouldn't get caught.

So, yes, if there is no God you may lose something in that you inhibit yourself from doing things you'd enjoy, find gratifying, find to our advantage, etc.

I am trying to look at a bigger picture, so guess I perceive your enumerted limitations on behavior as empowering and not encumbrances, JSO.I prefer to believe in God but if dawg prefers physics that's just dandy with me as long as he refrains from the "sins" you mentioned, like mass murder, adultry and child molestation.

Sounds like you need the threat that somebody is watching in order for you to do the right thing. I don't.

BTW, I notice you're still ducking 'jelly's question. Are you embarrassed?

[houndawg]

Physics....

Are you a fan of Arno Penzias?

Richard Feynman is a hero of mine.

[89Hen]

Catholicism doesn't teach the principles Christ did. It drew it's own conclusions and established a system that is not what God or Jesus wanted.

Pardon?

[houndawg]

Catholicism doesn't teach the principles Christ did. It drew it's own conclusions and established a system that is not what God or Jesus wanted.

Pardon?

Huh?

[89Hen]

Pardon?

Huh?

Are you T-Dog?

[T-Dog]

Catholicism doesn't teach the principles Christ did. It drew it's own conclusions and established a system that is not what God or Jesus wanted.

Pardon?

When Jesus came, the Jewish system had gotten to the point that it missed the point completely. It had regulated life to the point that the original Ten Commandments have been bloated to over 600. Jesus simplified it to one choice. Ever since then, the Catholic Church has taken that and bloated it all over again. We don't need a pope or a system of hierarchy that tells us what and what not to do according to their interpretation. Leaving it up to a hierarchy doesn't put responsibility on individuals as it fosters the idea of "Oh I can just do what I want and ask forgiveness from the hierarchy" which is the wrong way to think about it. Individuals should be fostering personal relationships with God through prayer and bible reading, not how many hail mary's one can say.

[89Hen]

Pardon?

When Jesus came, the Jewish system had gotten to the point that it missed the point completely. It had regulated life to the point that the original Ten Commandments have been bloated to over 600. Jesus simplified it to one choice. Ever since then, the Catholic Church has taken that and bloated it all over again. We don't need a pope or a system of hierarchy that tells us what and what not to do according to their interpretation. Leaving it up to a hierarchy doesn't put responsibility on individuals as it fosters the idea of "Oh I can just do what I want and ask forgiveness from the hierarchy" which is the wrong way to think about it. Individuals should be fostering personal relationships with God through prayer and bible reading, not how many hail mary's one can say.

It's very clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

[youngterrier]

I think a better question is "Are the Constitution and the Gospel in use?

[native]

When Jesus came, the Jewish system had gotten to the point that it missed the point completely. It had regulated life to the point that the original Ten Commandments have been bloated to over 600. Jesus simplified it to one choice. Ever since then, the Catholic Church has taken that and bloated it all over again. We don't need a pope or a system of hierarchy that tells us what and what not to do according to their interpretation. Leaving it up to a hierarchy doesn't put responsibility on individuals as it fosters the idea of "Oh I can just do what I want and ask forgiveness from the hierarchy" which is the wrong way to think about it. Individuals should be fostering personal relationships with God through prayer and bible reading, not how many hail mary's one can say.

It's very clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

You may disagree, but 89Hen's point of view is is a perfectly legitimate and relevant perspective on the story of the Pharisees.

[native]

I think a better question is "Are the Constitution and the Gospel in use?

No, and no.

[Skjellyfetti]

I think a better question is "Are the Constitution and the Gospel in use?

Yeah, both are. They shouldn't be used jointly, though.

[89Hen]

You may disagree, but 89Hen's point of view is is a perfectly legitimate and relevant perspective on the story of the Pharisees.

I'm not sure if T-dog was just grasping or if his idea of Catholics is either learned from TV, or worse, this board. Somebody had a similar discussion a couple years ago and was surprised to learn that Catholics do read the Bible too.