McNabb traded to the Redskins

[Col Hogan]

Another Daniel Snyder special...

[93henfan]

Another Daniel Snyder special...

The Washington Post's take: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... lot&sub=AR

Redskins' acquisition of McNabb similar to so many moves before

By Mike Wise
Monday, April 5, 2010; 12:36 AM

Look, nothing personal against Donovan McNabb. Six Pro Bowls, five NFC championship games, every passing record that matters in Philadelphia. He is certainly an upgrade to the position. Even a scorned and prideful Jason Campbell could admit that.

But before everyone congratulates the new brain trust for essentially doing what the old brain trust did -- procure some other town's star instead of developing your own -- answer two questions as thoughtfully and honestly as possible:

Does anyone believe the Washington Redskins are poised to win the Super Bowl next season? What about 2012?

No and no.

If you agree with that assessment and do not live in denial or Ashburn, any well-argued case for acquiring McNabb just went out the window.

Offseason champions again? Offseason champions again...

[bandl]

Another Daniel Snyder special...

The Washington Post's take: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... lot&sub=AR

Redskins' acquisition of McNabb similar to so many moves before

By Mike Wise
Monday, April 5, 2010; 12:36 AM

Look, nothing personal against Donovan McNabb. Six Pro Bowls, five NFC championship games, every passing record that matters in Philadelphia. He is certainly an upgrade to the position. Even a scorned and prideful Jason Campbell could admit that.

But before everyone congratulates the new brain trust for essentially doing what the old brain trust did -- procure some other town's star instead of developing your own -- answer two questions as thoughtfully and honestly as possible:

Does anyone believe the Washington Redskins are poised to win the Super Bowl next season? What about 2012?

No and no.

If you agree with that assessment and do not live in denial or Ashburn, any well-argued case for acquiring McNabb just went out the window.

Offseason champions again? Offseason champions again...

Before you go touting that this is the Washington Post's take...it is only ONE take from WP...
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"The only reservation in Donovan McNabb's voice Sunday night was over finding and talking to Jason Campbell. After all, when things were going rotten for Campbell, when he was being benched and booed, it was McNabb, after an Eagles-Redskins game in Washington, who sought out Campbell to buck him up, tell him he's got the tools to be a fine quarterback in the NFL. The quarterback fraternity is small, and the black quarterback fraternity is even smaller, and McNabb didn't want Campbell to think for one second he'd been lying in the weeds for weeks, waiting to take his job.

McNabb, for the record, didn't know until the last second where he was going to wind up. The rumors that the Vikings were atop his list were erroneous; McNabb told me that himself last week. The Raiders were a team that was interested, but not the only team. McNabb and I talked about the business of football the other night in Arizona, a totally off-the-record conversation. But I was reminded that night, with all due respect to Campbell, why McNabb is about the best fit around to be the quarterback of the Washington Redskins."

and

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In their boldest move since Mike Shanahan took over as head coach, the Washington Redskins acquired quarterback Donovan McNabb on Sunday night in a trade with the Philadelphia Eagles, shaking up one of the National Football League's most competitive divisions.

McNabb instantly changes the face of the Redskins' offense, simultaneously casting uncertainty on quarterback Jason Campbell's future and the team's plans for this month's draft. McNabb's arrival also means Redskins fans can expect a new starting quarterback at the start of a 2010 season that already had promised plenty of change.

"Donovan is an accomplished quarterback who has been a proven winner in the National Football League," Shanahan said in a news release. "I have long admired his competitiveness and feel he will be an outstanding addition to the Redskins and our community. He knows our division and the roadmap to success in the NFC East."

and

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As word of Washington's trade Sunday night for Philadelphia Pro Bowl quarterback Donovan McNabb spread quickly throughout the Redskins' organization, the reaction among players was overwhelmingly favorable. So much so, in fact, that the arrival of McNabb should transform Washington's West Coast offense into a much more productive unit, some believe, and raise the entire team's expectation level.

"It puts a face and a leader, an identity, to this offense. That's what this trade does," center Casey Rabach said in a phone interview. "Donovan is a guy who has done a lot of great things in the NFL for a long time, and he's done it in this style of offense also. And for him to be our teammate now, it's definitely a big move for us."

[93henfan]

Fuck off bandl. I'll cherry-pick as I see fit. I didn't even read all of your post. I just closed my eyes, covered both ears, hummed, and scrolled down with my big toe.

[bandl]

Fuck off bandl. I'll cherry-pick as I see fit. I didn't even read all of your post. I just closed my eyes, covered both ears, hummed, and scrolled down with my big toe.

I did'nt read it all either. WAAAAAAY too many words for a monday.

[93henfan]

On the serious note, McNabb will make the Redskins better in the short term. He won't win them a Super Bowl. As I posted in response to a Redskins fan friend of mine who posted on Facebook, "Welcome to chokedom. I guess it beats suckdom."

[bandl]

On the serious note, McNabb will make the Redskins better in the short term. He won't win them a Super Bowl. As I posted in response to a Redskins fan friend of mine who posted on Facebook, "Welcome to chokedom. I guess it beats suckdom."

Hopefully I'll enjoy watching NFL football past about say, week 10, instead of giving up on it because the Skins were already eliminated from the playoffs.

[93henfan]

On the serious note, McNabb will make the Redskins better in the short term. He won't win them a Super Bowl. As I posted in response to a Redskins fan friend of mine who posted on Facebook, "Welcome to chokedom. I guess it beats suckdom."

Hopefully I'll enjoy watching NFL football past about say, week 10, instead of giving up on it because the Skins were already eliminated from the playoffs.

See. In that respect, it's a great trade for you Redskin fans.

For we Eagles fans, this is a front office strategy we're accustomed to: trading a guy past the bell curve of his prime for max value. It burnt them significantly with Dawkins last year, perhaps more than any of the other old guys they dumped in the past. McNabb may very well torment the Eagles for three seasons or so. The problem with B-Dawk was that they had no adequate replacement. Kolb has had three seasons to build to this moment and was drafted specifically with this moment in mind.

The ultimate decider in this trade, beside the two picks of course, will be how Kolb pans out as a starter. He looked pretty good in his two fill-in starts last year. He may very well (as BH86 mentioned) be a better fit for Andy Reid's WCO scheme than McNabb ever was. He sure did seem to hit the WRs better on the quick slants last year than Donovan ever did. Donovan was terrific beyond 15 yards, but could never seem to find any accuracy or touch on the short stuff.

The Eagles are now loaded with young talent on offense (Jackson, Maclin, McCoy, Celek, Kolb, etc.). If they can get the defense right again (and they have five picks in the first three rounds and eleven overall), they will stay right in the thick of things in the NFC East. This first full year with Kolb may be a slight step back while the youngsters gel, but I definitely don't see the Eagles dropping off the map. They will score points.

[BlueHen86]

Hopefully I'll enjoy watching NFL football past about say, week 10, instead of giving up on it because the Skins were already eliminated from the playoffs.

See. In that respect, it's a great trade for you Redskin fans.

For we Eagles fans, this is a front office strategy we're accustomed to: trading a guy past the bell curve of his prime for max value. It burnt them significantly with Dawkins last year, perhaps more than any of the other old guys they dumped in the past. McNabb may very well torment the Eagles for three seasons or so. The problem with B-Dawk was that they had no adequate replacement. Kolb has had three seasons to build to this moment and was drafted specifically with this moment in mind.

The ultimate decider in this trade, beside the two picks of course, will be how Kolb pans out as a starter. He looked pretty good in his two fill-in starts last year. He may very well (as BH86 mentioned) be a better fit for Andy Reid's WCO scheme than McNabb ever was. He sure did seem to hit the WRs better on the quick slants last year than Donovan ever did. Donovan was terrific beyond 15 yards, but could never seem to find any accuracy or touch on the short stuff.

The Eagles are now loaded with young talent on offense (Jackson, Maclin, McCoy, Celek, Kolb, etc.). If they can get the defense right again (and they have five picks in the first three rounds and eleven overall), they will stay right in the thick of things in the NFC East. This first full year with Kolb may be a slight step back while the youngsters gel, but I definitely don't see the Eagles dropping off the map. They will score points.

I never thought that McNabb was a good fit for Reid's version of the West Coast offense. In fact, I always thought his skill set was better fitted to the offense the Broncos ran with John Elway, so it's interesting to me that McNabb ends up with Elway's coach.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think McNabb is as good as Elway, but he's big, strong and mobile like Elway was. McNabb should be using his size and mobilty to throw the ball downfield, like Elway did.

[bluehenbillk]

Roy Halladay makes his debut today, the Phils are home next week, the city is tired of the Eagles and the Phillies are the only team in the city with a chance to win, the Phillies will back on the front page very quickly, with all apologies to ESPN - pardon the interruption.

[93henfan]

Roy Halladay makes his debut today, the Phils are home next week, the city is tired of the Eagles and the Phillies are the only team in the city with a chance to win, the Phillies will back on the front page very quickly, with all apologies to ESPN - pardon the interruption.

Wrong thread, but yeah, I'm watching the 2009 year in review on PHL 17 right now!

[Seahawks]

The Eagles have lost their mind.

[93henfan]

The Eagles have lost their mind.

Yes, letting a guy with all those Super Bowl rings go like that. It's a tragedy.

[bandl]

The Eagles have lost their mind.

No, I think both sides are in agreement that this is pretty much a win-win situation for both franchises (barring unforeseens like injury, etc). The big questions are how both franchises will do in the next year or two and how this will affect their long-term futures.

[ASUMountaineer]

Isn't it amazing that yesterday was Opening Day for MLB, and the National Championship is tonight, and the biggest sports story is an above-average, good-but-not-great QB getting traded 4 months before the start of the season? The NFL is king, and every other sports is vying for scraps. And, the truth is, football season can't get here soon enough.

I thought I saw some blurb about a Woods kid playing at Augusta this week.

Who?

[Col Hogan]

On the serious note, McNabb will make the Redskins better in the short term. He won't win them a Super Bowl. As I posted in response to a Redskins fan friend of mine who posted on Facebook, "Welcome to chokedom. I guess it beats suckdom."

[green&gold75]

Philly is about to learn a hard lesson. "You don't know what you got 'till it's gone."

I think we know what we had, and I think the skins will find out in week 1 or week 2 when their weak offensive line lets someone through to blindside McNabb... the guy is injury prone and was working with one of the best O-lines in the NFL, now he's with one of the worst. Good luck McNabb! I wish the guy the best, just not vs the Eagles.

Exactly. Have always respected McNabb, but unless the Skins upgrade at offensive line, the Redskin backfield will be a killing zone, and who's taking the snaps won't matter.

[ASUMountaineer]

I think we know what we had, and I think the skins will find out in week 1 or week 2 when their weak offensive line lets someone through to blindside McNabb... the guy is injury prone and was working with one of the best O-lines in the NFL, now he's with one of the worst. Good luck McNabb! I wish the guy the best, just not vs the Eagles.

Exactly. Have always respected McNabb, but unless the Skins upgrade at offensive line, the Redskin backfield will be a killing zone, and who's taking the snaps won't matter.

I think they'll be ok. If Shanahan is good at anything, it's producing 1000 yard rushers when you wouldn't expect it.

[93henfan]

The life of a Redskins fan:

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[GannonFan]

Hopefully I'll enjoy watching NFL football past about say, week 10, instead of giving up on it because the Skins were already eliminated from the playoffs.

See. In that respect, it's a great trade for you Redskin fans.

For we Eagles fans, this is a front office strategy we're accustomed to: trading a guy past the bell curve of his prime for max value. It burnt them significantly with Dawkins last year, perhaps more than any of the other old guys they dumped in the past. McNabb may very well torment the Eagles for three seasons or so. The problem with B-Dawk was that they had no adequate replacement. Kolb has had three seasons to build to this moment and was drafted specifically with this moment in mind.

The ultimate decider in this trade, beside the two picks of course, will be how Kolb pans out as a starter. He looked pretty good in his two fill-in starts last year. He may very well (as BH86 mentioned) be a better fit for Andy Reid's WCO scheme than McNabb ever was. He sure did seem to hit the WRs better on the quick slants last year than Donovan ever did. Donovan was terrific beyond 15 yards, but could never seem to find any accuracy or touch on the short stuff.

The Eagles are now loaded with young talent on offense (Jackson, Maclin, McCoy, Celek, Kolb, etc.). If they can get the defense right again (and they have five picks in the first three rounds and eleven overall), they will stay right in the thick of things in the NFC East. This first full year with Kolb may be a slight step back while the youngsters gel, but I definitely don't see the Eagles dropping off the map. They will score points.

I agree with most everything but the Dawkins comment - and I was one of the bigger Dawkins fans around. Getting rid of Dawkins wasn't the problem - the guy couldn't really play his position anymore and they had to develop a hybrid safety role for him just to keep him on the field. But as we saw in that Arizona game in the NFC title game, Dawkins was all but spent. And Denver's nosedive defensively last year didn't do anything to rebut that idea. But you're right that the Eagles' problem was that they didn't have a replacement. But with or without Dawkins, the Eagle's safety play last year would've been a huge weak spot.

[GannonFan]

As for the trade, I've got no problem with it. McNabb was never going to raise his game to where the Eagles needed it and he was clearly an old guy in a room full of young talent - most of the guys apparently identified with Kolb more than McNabb at this point. What they got for him may seem to be too little, but they can certainly turn those picks around and get a first round pick. And now they have draft choices galore to fill the gaps they have defensively. Certainly not a bad deal for the Eagles. Wonder what the Skins are doing, though. They still have no WR corps so you wonder what they'll do with McNabb, and if they don't keep Portis you wonder how long that aging backfield of Parker/Johnson will work out for them. A .500 season for the Skins next year would be optimistic.

[93henfan]

As for the trade, I've got no problem with it. McNabb was never going to raise his game to where the Eagles needed it and he was clearly an old guy in a room full of young talent - most of the guys apparently identified with Kolb more than McNabb at this point. What they got for him may seem to be too little, but they can certainly turn those picks around and get a first round pick. And now they have draft choices galore to fill the gaps they have defensively. Certainly not a bad deal for the Eagles. Wonder what the Skins are doing, though. They still have no WR corps so you wonder what they'll do with McNabb, and if they don't keep Portis you wonder how long that aging backfield of Parker/Johnson will work out for them. A .500 season for the Skins next year would be optimistic.

That was readily apparent watching Brent Celek on Sports Final last night. The guy is giddy about Kolb leading the offense.

[eagleskins]

Glad to finally be rid of that bum, Lips Campbell.

[SuperHornet]

Both teams screwed the pooch on this one. For the SECOND time, the Iggles have sent a good QB to the 'Skins, and it's going to cost them like it did before. The only quarterback to take the Eagles to a Super Bowl called McNabb the best QB in team history this morning (not sure I agree with that given that at least one other Eagles team won an NFL Championship), so McNabb DOES have SOME support in Philly. However, I also think that Theismann would be a better pick, even given what Taylor did to him.

Like I said, BOTH teams screwed the pooch, though McNabb will probably go 2-0 vs. Philly this year. Look for the Cowboys to take the division.

[93henfan]

Thanks for the Sacred City perspective.