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ronbo wrote:My crystal ball says.........

There is said to be a number of large potential donors that will give only if the Griz play at the higher level. The Board of Regents will not stand in Montana's way if the study says a move up would be beneficial. Two schools in the WAC are courting Montana. I think it is a done deal just not announced yet. Montana will move up because they will have an invite to the WAC after the 2011 season. The Home and Home with MSU will continue because Montana will get a waiver from the WAC to continue the series. I hope this answers all your questions. :mrgreen: ;)
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ronbo wrote:My crystal ball says.........

There is said to be a number of large potential donors that will give only if the Griz play at the higher level. The Board of Regents will not stand in Montana's way if the study says a move up would be beneficial. Two schools in the WAC are courting Montana. I think it is a done deal just not announced yet. Montana will move up because they will have an invite to the WAC after the 2011 season. The Home and Home with MSU will continue because Montana will get a waiver from the WAC to continue the series. I hope this answers all your questions. :mrgreen: ;)

Will the home and homes still be honored or will they just tell them to take a flying leap?


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Part two of a three part Interlake series

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Rob Spear and Max Corbet can remember 14 years ago like it was yesterday.

Spear is the current athletic director at the University of Idaho and Corbet has been at Boise State University for 23 years and currently serves as the assistant athletic director and head of media relations.

Both longtime school officials can give a vivid account of what it was like in 1996 when the decision was made that the two Idaho schools were leaving the Big Sky Conference and making the jump to full Division I competition.

The opportunity to play in a bigger spotlight, especially in football, and the revenue benefits of doing so were too good to pass up and the two universities concluded it was the right time to make a move. Also, there was a fear that staying put would stagnate or even diminish the programs.

“We just felt it was the right move at the time,” Corbet said of Boise State’s decision to join the Big West Conference in ’96. “The president was a forward thinker and (athletic director) Gene (Bleymaier) is the same way. Sustaining the same thing over and over again, we felt, was like going backwards ... It was still scary though. There was a lot of unknowns out there.”

The University of Montana could be in a similar situation in the coming years.

According to UM Athletic Director Jim O’Day, the athletic department is in the beginning stages of weighing its options in preparation of a possible seismic shift in NCAA conferences and member schools in 2011.

“UM is very comfortable staying where it is right now,” O’Day said recently, but an internal assessment is being taken to look at all aspects of Grizzly athletics in the event of a conference invite.

The football program at Montana is the only non-Division I team and plays in the Football Championship Subdivision (FCS), formerly called I-AA.

Joining the ranks of the Division I Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) could be one of the biggest corners the program has turned in its 108-year history.

In that event, the athletic department as a whole would be affected.

If an invitation for membership was extended from a conference like the Western Athletic Conference (WAC) or the Mountain West, the university would need to add two more sports to reach 16, the minimum required for a school competing at that level.

With that in mind, an internal study is going to measure facility needs, Title IX implications and other areas needed to successfully compete, O’Day said. Also, the football program would need to increase scholarships by 22.

Recently the athletic department announced that due to budget cuts and rising costs any number of out-of-state scholarships could be dropped in the coming years.

Currently, the UM athletic department receives roughly $4.5 million from the university and $1 million from student fees. Last year, the football team broke attendance records in five of six regular-season games and brought in the most revenue of all sports at roughly $4.3 million.

In the current climate, schools across the country are searching desperately for revenue sources, and television contracts remain the largest. The second largest is conference allotments, with payouts for FBS schools more than doubling those of FCS schools in most instances.

“It’s important to see that the revenues are going to be there to offset the costs,” Spear said. “The conference revenues we see now are significantly more than they were when we weren’t Division I. That’s probably the most significant piece to the puzzle.”

Whenever the topic comes up about the possibility of the Griz football team leaving the Big Sky, two contrasting examples are most commonly used to try and forecast the result — Boise State and Idaho.

Those who believe the Griz have outgrown the Big Sky and FCS use Boise as Exhibit A.

“Boise State is a poster child for (moving up),” Montana State Athletic Director Peter Fields said. “They changed conferences and they had success and schools look at that and wonder if they can do that. The thing with Boise is they had a lot of population base and they had manufacturing and corporate support in the area. So you have to weigh all those things.”

Two years after playing in the I-AA national championship in 1994, Boise State gambled success and made the move. The Broncos were invited and joined the Big West Conference and barely missed a step, winning two conference championships over the next five years.

In 2001, the rising program moved to the WAC and since then the Broncos have won seven conference titles, compiled a 68-4 conference record and won two nationally televised Bowl Championship Series (BCS) games.

And it all started with those first wary steps.

“One of the biggest things, we had a lot of luck to go with it. It wasn’t just that we turned it on and there we were,” Corbet said.

The transition of moving to Division I in full was generally supported by the community and seen as a necessary step in order to sustain progress, Corbet said.

Upstate in Moscow, the level of success hasn’t been anywhere near Boise State’s.

Since ’96, the Idaho Vandals have gone 58-105 in football and last year achieved their first winning season since 1999, going 8-5 in the WAC.

Spear, a Butte native who received his MBA at Montana, has been at Idaho since 1989 and was named A.D. in 2004.

The decision to make the jump was not received by the community as well as it was in Boise, he said.

“I can tell you it was pretty controversial,” Spear said. “There were people on campus who didn’t feel like we should move up. Then we had the other groups who thought we should move up.”

Spear said the final call came based on distinct factors like bringing in more revenue, staying aligned with peer institutions and, not to be discounted, remaining alongside its in-state competitor.

“It think there was additional pressure because Boise State made that decision to move up and we didn’t want to be perceived to be second rate to them in any way,” Spear said. “That played a role. I’m not sure how much of a role.”

In the case of Montana’s two state schools, Fields said that MSU is not currently conducting a study of the viability of changing.

But other FCS members likely are.

O’Day said many other schools similar to Montana have already completed or are in the process of completing internal studies, such as Georgia Southern, Sam Houston State and James Madison. Others are expected to follow shortly, he believes.

Appalachian State, an FCS member and the second winningest football program behind Montana over the last decade, is not currently conducting a study, according to Mike Flynn of the school’s media relations.

On the other end of the spectrum, the University of Wyoming recently completed an internal study to see if it should drop down to the FCS level, according to O’Day.

“That’s one thing we probably learned from Idaho is that they probably didn’t have the infrastructure in place,” O’Day said. “Now they’re getting there but it’s been 10 years down the road to get to that point where they can then be competitive. Boise had the infrastructure in place when they left.”

If Griz fans had to choose which path to follow — Boise State’s or Idaho’s — it’s a no-brainer.

But in the case of deciding to move up, there’s no telling which path is which, not until it’s too late.

“There needs to be an in-depth study done so you make sure you know all the expenditures that are involved,” Spear said.

“But the other thing is you really have to evaluate the competitive nature. I can tell you it took us awhile to get where we are at where we were able to compete at this level ... We’re starting to turn the corner, but we still have a long way to go.”

(This is the second in a three-part series about the future of Montana Grizzly athletics)

Sunday, Part III: Staying competitive at a higher level, and thoughts from Griz Nation

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Two points from the second article:

One - FCS is DIVISION I
Two - the most important part - being ready to move up BEFORE you move up. Have the revenue streams in place. Have the facilities in place. Have the funding/additional sports required in place.
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dbackjon wrote:Two points from the second article:

One - FCS is DIVISION I
Two - the most important part - being ready to move up BEFORE you move up. Have the revenue streams in place. Have the facilities in place. Have the funding/additional sports required in place.

Three - It sounds like it's a done deal. This is all just window dressing to get their ducks in a row. :coffee: :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Two points from the second article:

One - FCS is DIVISION I
Two - the most important part - being ready to move up BEFORE you move up. Have the revenue streams in place. Have the facilities in place. Have the funding/additional sports required in place.

Three - It sounds like it's a done deal. This is all just window dressing to get their ducks in a row. :coffee: :coffee:
Four - If it indeed is the WAC, minus Boise State (to MWC) and possibly Nevada, the Griz immediately become bowl eligible. :kisswink: :kisswink:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:

Three - It sounds like it's a done deal. This is all just window dressing to get their ducks in a row. :coffee: :coffee:
Four - If it indeed is the WAC, minus Boise State (to MWC) and possibly Nevada, the Griz immediately become bowl eligible. :kisswink: :kisswink:
Right Now the MWC is only looking at Boise St. even if Boise St. stays the WAC needs to go to 10 or 12 to protect against a PAC 10 raid of MWC which could then raid the WAC. The good thing about Montana, they have a great stadium, Idaho's sucks. I don't see Montana sucking in the WAC for too long. Another good thing is they able to move in 2011to insure that they step in front of UTSA. UTSA will just be starting FCS then and wouldn't be able to move until 2013. If Boise St. leaves then it would be wise to add UTSA in 2013.
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I'm kind of torn between moving up and not moving up. I truly belive Montana belongs in the FCS, but the problem is I don't think Montana belongs in the Big Sky Conference. If you look at Facilities, attendence, and academics Montana is in a different league compared to the Big Sky conference.

The conference is riddled with APR issues, no one even comes close to the facilities and attendence. FB, MBB and WBB is not on par in the conference with Montana. The only teams that compare to Montana in any one of those three sports would be Weber mens basketball and MSU mens basketball. The only school close to having the whole package like Montana would be MSU and they are still a ways off. In Football, Montana is the only team that has been nationally relevant in a long time. The Western FCS teams can't compete with Montana on a consistant basis. I hate saying that, but it is true.

Montana fits better with the WAC than with the Big Sky when you look at western US conferences. If you look nationally Montana fits with FCS, but regionally they don't. Trust me, I would rather be an elite FCS team than an eternally irrelevant FBS team.
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If/when the Griz move up, anyone know a good FBS board? :?
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Willie??????????? I got some tix for ya. FUCK the rest of them fucking assholes. I got 4 seats for ya. When/if/ they do this or that.....I got some NEZ and some SW tix that are ready for you and the lady friend.
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Grizo406 wrote:If/when the Griz move up, anyone know a good FBS board? :?
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ronbo wrote:
Grizo406 wrote:If/when the Griz move up, anyone know a good FBS board? :?
Chris is thinking ahead Dalton.

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ronbo wrote:
Grizo406 wrote:If/when the Griz move up, anyone know a good FBS board? :?
Chris is thinking ahead Dalton.

http://www.bowlsubdivision.com/

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe Chris knows something we don't?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
ronbo wrote:
Chris is thinking ahead Dalton.

http://www.bowlsubdivision.com/

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe Chris knows something we don't?
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grizzaholic wrote:If they move up, I know where they can stick my tickets.
I'll take them, they're probably better than my current ones
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Of all the potential conference changes, there are a few that just make clear sense to me:
1) Notre Dame to the B10 (which probably won't happen since it makes so much sense)
2) Montana to FBS

Montana just has something many of our schools doesn't. The atmosphere just seems an ideal fit. When you look at some of the current FBS schools, Montana is already in a better spot then they ever were.

And sure, the goal is the MWC...and maybe one day that would happen.

But Montana would be quite fine swapping the Big Sky for the WAC.

With current members such as Boise St., Idaho and Utah St. Griz fans will travel in bulk to those schools. Nevada is another good fit. And instead of trips to Portland St., Sac St and No. Arizona, the Montana teams would replace those spots with Fresno St., San Jose St., and New Mexico St. Not a huge culture shock there. And something tells me that the Montana players won't mind 2 free trips to Hawaii over 4 years. That would make up for the LA Tech trip ;)
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collegesportsinfo wrote:Of all the potential conference changes, there are a few that just make clear sense to me:
1) Notre Dame to the B10 (which probably won't happen since it makes so much sense)
2) Montana to FBS

Montana just has something many of our schools doesn't. The atmosphere just seems an ideal fit. When you look at some of the current FBS schools, Montana is already in a better spot then they ever were.

And sure, the goal is the MWC...and maybe one day that would happen.

But Montana would be quite fine swapping the Big Sky for the WAC.

With current members such as Boise St., Idaho and Utah St. Griz fans will travel in bulk to those schools. Nevada is another good fit. And instead of trips to Portland St., Sac St and No. Arizona, the Montana teams would replace those spots with Fresno St., San Jose St., and New Mexico St. Not a huge culture shock there. And something tells me that the Montana players won't mind 2 free trips to Hawaii over 4 years. That would make up for the LA Tech trip ;)
You're late! Bout time you show up to this thread. There's also a bowlsubdivision.com site ran by these guys that just opened that could use your input. Of course I started 4 threads having to do with conf. movement and FCS upgrades.
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I posted this on eGriz.com, but I think it's appropriate for this thread:

Ok, ok, I know: This topic has been beaten to death. But, I'm approaching the choice of the WAC or the MWC from a different angle. There's been a lot of speculation re: these conferences, but nothing solid as far as I can tell, so look at the following:

RPI Football Ratings, 2009-2010 http://www.realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

3 Boise St. (WAC)
9 Texas Chr. (MWC)
12 BYU (MWC)
17 Utah (MWC)
39 Air Force (MWC)
46 Montana
51 Fresno State (WAC)
57 Nevada (MWC)
63 Idaho (WAC)
69 Wyoming (MWC)
94 UNLV (MWC)
95 Hawaii (WAC)
117 Utah St. (WAC)
123 San Diego St. (MWC)
135 CO State (MWC)
143 NM State (WAC)
150 San Jose St. (WAC)
159 New Mexico (MWC)

Sagarin Ratings, 2009-2010 http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4 TCU (MWC)
5 Boise St. (WAC)
15 BYU (MWC)
24 Utah (MWC)
35 Air Force (MWC)
57 Montana
59 Fresno St. (WAC)
70 Nevada (MWC)
82 Wyoming (MWC)
85 Idaho (WAC)
93 UNLV (MWC)
100 Utah St. (WAC)
103 San Diego St. (MWC)
105 Hawaii (WAC)
106 CO State (MWC)
136 New Mexico (MWC)
138 San Jose St. (WAC)
153 NM State (WAC)

If UM went into the MWC, it would finish 5th, according to these ratings. If UM went into the WAC, it would finish 2d behind Boise State. I think a 2d place finish in the WAC would be fine with UM fans & hopes of a FCS NC would become a thing of the past. If Boise St. goes elsewhere, UM could be the WAC champion. UM's fan base would not fall off.

I don't know what the WAC requires re: facilities. I do know that two sports plus scholarships have to be added. It could be that UM only needs the additional sports. The locker rooms, etc., might not have to be upgraded, initially. It's a bad sign that UM has maintained only the minimum number of sports to be in the FCS. UM should have been maintaining the required 16 or even more sports, as many other FCS schools are doing, without move-up aspirations. Some have as many as 20 sports.

There are other costs, such as increased travel to play Hawaii, but Idaho seems to be cutting it. If these kinds of expenses are impediments, then all I can say is the Griz are all dressed up with no place to go.
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GrizMadman wrote:I posted this on eGriz.com, but I think it's appropriate for this thread:

Ok, ok, I know: This topic has been beaten to death. But, I'm approaching the choice of the WAC or the MWC from a different angle. There's been a lot of speculation re: these conferences, but nothing solid as far as I can tell, so look at the following:

RPI Football Ratings, 2009-2010 http://www.realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

3 Boise St. (WAC)
9 Texas Chr. (MWC)
12 BYU (MWC)
17 Utah (MWC)
39 Air Force (MWC)
46 Montana
51 Fresno State (WAC)
57 Nevada (MWC)
63 Idaho (WAC)
69 Wyoming (MWC)
94 UNLV (MWC)
95 Hawaii (WAC)
117 Utah St. (WAC)
123 San Diego St. (MWC)
135 CO State (MWC)
143 NM State (WAC)
150 San Jose St. (WAC)
159 New Mexico (MWC)

Sagarin Ratings, 2009-2010 http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4 TCU (MWC)
5 Boise St. (WAC)
15 BYU (MWC)
24 Utah (MWC)
35 Air Force (MWC)
57 Montana
59 Fresno St. (WAC)
70 Nevada (MWC)
82 Wyoming (MWC)
85 Idaho (WAC)
93 UNLV (MWC)
100 Utah St. (WAC)
103 San Diego St. (MWC)
105 Hawaii (WAC)
106 CO State (MWC)
136 New Mexico (MWC)
138 San Jose St. (WAC)
153 NM State (WAC)

If UM went into the MWC, it would finish 5th, according to these ratings. If UM went into the WAC, it would finish 2d behind Boise State. I think a 2d place finish in the WAC would be fine with UM fans & hopes of a FCS NC would become a thing of the past. If Boise St. goes elsewhere, UM could be the WAC champion. UM's fan base would not fall off.

I don't know what the WAC requires re: facilities. I do know that two sports plus scholarships have to be added. It could be that UM only needs the additional sports. The locker rooms, etc., might not have to be upgraded, initially. It's a bad sign that UM has maintained only the minimum number of sports to be in the FCS. UM should have been maintaining the required 16 or even more sports, as many other FCS schools are doing, without move-up aspirations. Some have as many as 20 sports.

There are other costs, such as increased travel to play Hawaii, but Idaho seems to be cutting it. If these kinds of expenses are impediments, then all I can say is the Griz are all dressed up with no place to go.
Let me rip that theory to shreds. Fresno St. 51 lost to Nevada 57 (bad) and Wyoming 69. Also Fresno, Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, UNLV would likely beat Montana. There really is no point to mixing FCS w/ FBS rating or D-II w/ FCS. You only play 1 maybe 2 schools from the lower div. every year.
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Montana can never join the MWC without joining the WAC first. Don't hold your breath. The WAC is a good fit and you'll do fine. Utah St. & NM St. are wins for you right off the bat. Idaho usually is a win, lets see if last year's good season was a 1 time thing.
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Well, both the WAC and the MWC have nine teams each, one more makes ten. Not a bad number of teams for a conference that would have nine conference games. Although it would still be five home, four on the road in one year and then four home and five on the road the next, in alternating years. No real biggy. A need to balance with more OOC home games, which would be difficult for an FBS newcomer. For my own preference, I'd really think the Griz would be more successful in the MWC, at least in the long run. One can play the WAC in non-conference games with the one game against those petty 'kats every year. :twocents:
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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
GrizMadman wrote:I posted this on eGriz.com, but I think it's appropriate for this thread:

Ok, ok, I know: This topic has been beaten to death. But, I'm approaching the choice of the WAC or the MWC from a different angle. There's been a lot of speculation re: these conferences, but nothing solid as far as I can tell, so look at the following:

RPI Football Ratings, 2009-2010 http://www.realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

3 Boise St. (WAC)
9 Texas Chr. (MWC)
12 BYU (MWC)
17 Utah (MWC)
39 Air Force (MWC)
46 Montana
51 Fresno State (WAC)
57 Nevada (MWC)
63 Idaho (WAC)
69 Wyoming (MWC)
94 UNLV (MWC)
95 Hawaii (WAC)
117 Utah St. (WAC)
123 San Diego St. (MWC)
135 CO State (MWC)
143 NM State (WAC)
150 San Jose St. (WAC)
159 New Mexico (MWC)

Sagarin Ratings, 2009-2010 http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4 TCU (MWC)
5 Boise St. (WAC)
15 BYU (MWC)
24 Utah (MWC)
35 Air Force (MWC)
57 Montana
59 Fresno St. (WAC)
70 Nevada (MWC)
82 Wyoming (MWC)
85 Idaho (WAC)
93 UNLV (MWC)
100 Utah St. (WAC)
103 San Diego St. (MWC)
105 Hawaii (WAC)
106 CO State (MWC)
136 New Mexico (MWC)
138 San Jose St. (WAC)
153 NM State (WAC)

If UM went into the MWC, it would finish 5th, according to these ratings. If UM went into the WAC, it would finish 2d behind Boise State. I think a 2d place finish in the WAC would be fine with UM fans & hopes of a FCS NC would become a thing of the past. If Boise St. goes elsewhere, UM could be the WAC champion. UM's fan base would not fall off.

I don't know what the WAC requires re: facilities. I do know that two sports plus scholarships have to be added. It could be that UM only needs the additional sports. The locker rooms, etc., might not have to be upgraded, initially. It's a bad sign that UM has maintained only the minimum number of sports to be in the FCS. UM should have been maintaining the required 16 or even more sports, as many other FCS schools are doing, without move-up aspirations. Some have as many as 20 sports.

There are other costs, such as increased travel to play Hawaii, but Idaho seems to be cutting it. If these kinds of expenses are impediments, then all I can say is the Griz are all dressed up with no place to go.
Let me rip that theory to shreds. Fresno St. 51 lost to Nevada 57 (bad) and Wyoming 69. Also Fresno, Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, UNLV would likely beat Montana. There really is no point to mixing FCS w/ FBS rating or D-II w/ FCS. You only play 1 maybe 2 schools from the lower div. every year.
Looks like you're questioning these ratings, which is valid. I know rating systems aren't perfect. Witness Butler in the NCAA basketball final. All I'm trying to do is present a side of the move-up argument that people either are not aware of or ignore: the WAC would be a far better conference for a UM move-up. Too many people speculate re: the MWC & I say forget it. To that extent we agree, as Fresno (WAC) did lose to two MWC teams, despite being ranked higher in the ratings. It also shows that the MWC is a more powerful conference than the WAC, which no one disputes, and one more reason to give up speculation about UM going there. Also, you compare UM unfavorably with Nevada, Wyoming, & UNLV, all MWC, and that's exactly what I'm saying re: speculation about going into the MWC.

Debate about the schools rated under Montana all you want. I think the teams rated above UM are the proof in the pudding, and that shows UM doesn't have a chance in the MWC, at least to the satisfaction of its fans. Does anyone think UM could beat any one of the top 4 teams in the MWC on a yearly basis? It would be financial suicide for UM to move into the MWC & I don't think there's a remote possibility of that happening.
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I think Montana is a WAC school. The WAC needs them, even though they probably won't admit it. 10 works best for most other sports other than football. 5/4 vs 4/5 not bad. If they WAC hated that so much they could always do 4/4 and miss a school. I'd rather just have 4/5-5/4

Depending if/when Boise St. leaves UTSA or Texas St.(if it happens before 2013 and the WAC doesn't wait around) needs to be in the WAC.

I have no clue if the WAC even wants to think about this but 12 could help a lot too. Cutting Travel costs. E/W. Conf. championship game.
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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
collegesportsinfo wrote:Of all the potential conference changes, there are a few that just make clear sense to me:
1) Notre Dame to the B10 (which probably won't happen since it makes so much sense)
2) Montana to FBS

Montana just has something many of our schools doesn't. The atmosphere just seems an ideal fit. When you look at some of the current FBS schools, Montana is already in a better spot then they ever were.

And sure, the goal is the MWC...and maybe one day that would happen.

But Montana would be quite fine swapping the Big Sky for the WAC.

With current members such as Boise St., Idaho and Utah St. Griz fans will travel in bulk to those schools. Nevada is another good fit. And instead of trips to Portland St., Sac St and No. Arizona, the Montana teams would replace those spots with Fresno St., San Jose St., and New Mexico St. Not a huge culture shock there. And something tells me that the Montana players won't mind 2 free trips to Hawaii over 4 years. That would make up for the LA Tech trip ;)
You're late! Bout time you show up to this thread. There's also a bowlsubdivision.com site ran by these guys that just opened that could use your input. Of course I started 4 threads having to do with conf. movement and FCS upgrades.
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collegesportsinfo wrote:
Fresno St. Alum wrote: You're late! Bout time you show up to this thread. There's also a bowlsubdivision.com site ran by these guys that just opened that could use your input. Of course I started 4 threads having to do with conf. movement and FCS upgrades.
You do plenty fine with these topics on your own!
Having Freaked post all this stuff on your site, makes my life that much easier. At the D-II & NAIA level senior reports is good with posting press releases and reports. Its just his personal articles are usually off base.
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