How the GOP Purged Me

[AZGrizFan]

They were too busy trying to catch Obama.....er....Osama.

Yet one more thing they failed at & left for Obama to fix.....

Let me know when he fixes that.

[Col Hogan]

Being a "planner", I tend to be more conservative as I have the plan and don't like deviating too far from that plan...

My middle brother is a "live for today" kind of person...his description of himself that I agree with...he's has very little in savings or a pension plan...and wants to government to give him health care coverage...and is counting on social security for his retirement...and he votes liberal...

So, based on my tiny universe of me and the middle brother...

Planners = Conservative
Live For The Now = Liberal...

You also have to consider risk taking. Too much conservative planning and nothing ventured, nothing gained.

The answer, as always, is in the middle.

One has to factor in some risk to any plan...and besides, using the military axiom, a good plan never survives first contact with the enemy...it simply gives you a common point of departure...

But, you are correct...I have considered, and taken, some risk...investing and losing some money...buying a house two years before the bubble burst...but it's the planning that has allowed me to survive those risky moves...imagine if I "lived for today"...

Actually, it's my brother who does live for today who takes less risk...at least with money...because he lives pay check to pay check in order to "live for the moment"...at least money-wise...

Life is lots more than money, but having some sure give one a sense of comfort for the future...

[dbackjon]

As you mentioned downstream, a lot of it depends on where your priorities are. Republican stances on social issues have swung so far to the extreme that I can not in good faith vote for them.

Failure to validate your desire for massive societal changes and your chosen life style does not constitute an extreme stance on social issues.

Yes, Equality is a bad thing.

And once again, I DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE GAY.

Your ilk would still have slavery, women as property and white-only voting. Pathetic.

[Appaholic]

Your ilk would still have slavery, women as property and white-only voting. Pathetic.

Ahh...those were the days, weren't they?......

[Baldy]

Bingo.

Besides, seems to me that the Republican views on social issues haven't changed very much if at all in recent years.

The views may not have changed, but the focus most certainly has.

Using the Clinton impeachment as a catalyst, the GOP has put social issues on the front of its campaigns to hide the fact that its really pro-big-government.

That's a mighty broad brush, df.
Some certainly do run on social issues...just like some Donks try to run as a "fiscal conservative", but most Republicans aren't pro big government.

[danefan]

The views may not have changed, but the focus most certainly has.

Using the Clinton impeachment as a catalyst, the GOP has put social issues on the front of its campaigns to hide the fact that its really pro-big-government.

That's a mighty broad brush, df.
Some certainly do run on social issues...just like some Donks try to run as a "fiscal conservative", but most Republicans aren't pro big government.

Huh? Dems running as fiscal conservatives is not the same as Republicans running on social issues.

And to say most Republicans are not pro-big-government is to ignore the 108th and 109th Congresses and the entire Bush Adminstration.

The Republican Party on a national level is not a fiscally conservative party.

[native]

Being a "planner", I tend to be more conservative as I have the plan and don't like deviating too far from that plan...

My middle brother is a "live for today" kind of person...his description of himself that I agree with...he's has very little in savings or a pension plan...and wants to government to give him health care coverage...and is counting on social security for his retirement...and he votes liberal...

So, based on my tiny universe of me and the middle brother...

Planners = Conservative
Live For The Now = Liberal...

You also have to consider risk taking. Too much conservative planning and nothing ventured, nothing gained.

The answer, as always, is in the middle.

Sometimes the "middle" works, but the best solution is not always in the middle.

The "middle" was certainly not the best answer during the American Revolution. Could it have been a better solution for the Civil War? It is very difficult to make the case. The "middle" solution worked somewhat in Korea, perhaps, but failed miserably in Vietnam.

[native]

That's a mighty broad brush, df.
Some certainly do run on social issues...just like some Donks try to run as a "fiscal conservative", but most Republicans aren't pro big government.

Huh? Dems running as fiscal conservatives is not the same as Republicans running on social issues.

And to say most Republicans are not pro-big-government is to ignore the 108th and 109th Congresses and the entire Bush Adminstration.

The Republican Party on a national level is not a fiscally conservative party.

The 108th and 109th Congresses do not necessarily represent the Republican Party today.

[danefan]

Huh? Dems running as fiscal conservatives is not the same as Republicans running on social issues.

And to say most Republicans are not pro-big-government is to ignore the 108th and 109th Congresses and the entire Bush Adminstration.

The Republican Party on a national level is not a fiscally conservative party.

The 108th and 109th Congresses do not necessarily represent the Republican Party today.

Putting McCain up as the Presidential nominee seems to indicate otherwise.

[native]

The 108th and 109th Congresses do not necessarily represent the Republican Party today.

Putting McCain up as the Presidential nominee seems to indicate otherwise.

We'll see.

[danefan]

Putting McCain up as the Presidential nominee seems to indicate otherwise.

We'll see.

Hopefully we will.

[Baldy]

That's a mighty broad brush, df.
Some certainly do run on social issues...just like some Donks try to run as a "fiscal conservative", but most Republicans aren't pro big government.

Huh? Dems running as fiscal conservatives is not the same as Republicans running on social issues.

And to say most Republicans are not pro-big-government is to ignore the 108th and 109th Congresses and the entire Bush Adminstration.

The Republican Party on a national level is not a fiscally conservative party.

Ummm, the 108th and 109th Congresses did what almost all Congresses do, execute the wishes of President which is in the same party. Just look at what this Congress we have now is doing.

Before Bush came along, the Republicans were fiscally conservative. Now that Bush has left office, they seem to be returning to those roots.

[Baldy]

Failure to validate your desire for massive societal changes and your chosen life style does not constitute an extreme stance on social issues.

Yes, Equality is a bad thing.

And once again, I DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE GAY.

Your ilk would still have slavery, women as property and white-only voting. Pathetic.

Nice try jon, you have the same rights I do, sorry.

[native]

We'll see.

Hopefully we will.

Hopefully the tea party will influence the GOP to become much more disciplined on the issues of smaller government and less spending.

[danefan]

Huh? Dems running as fiscal conservatives is not the same as Republicans running on social issues.

And to say most Republicans are not pro-big-government is to ignore the 108th and 109th Congresses and the entire Bush Adminstration.

The Republican Party on a national level is not a fiscally conservative party.

Ummm, the 108th and 109th Congresses did what almost all Congresses do, execute the wishes of President which is in the same party. Just look at what this Congress we have now is doing.

Before Bush came along, the Republicans were fiscally conservative. Now that Bush has left office, they seem to be returning to those roots.

Like I said above, McCain as a Presidential candidate seems to indicate to the contrary. They could have put a true fiscal conservative up in 2008 but they didn't. They probably would have won had they done so.

And I'm supposed to feel better about the GOP because they were just puppets to the Bush Administration? The Bush Administration is to me what the GOP represents. Until they show me (and millions of people like me) that they aren't the same, expect the same response.

[dbackjon]

Yes, Equality is a bad thing.

And once again, I DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE GAY.

Your ilk would still have slavery, women as property and white-only voting. Pathetic.

Nice try jon, you have the same rights I do, sorry.

Bullshit and you know it.

I can get fired for who I am. I can't marry the man I love.

[AZGrizFan]

Nice try jon, you have the same rights I do, sorry.

Bullshit and you know it.

I can get fired for who I am. I can't marry the man I love.

Damned right you could get fired for who you are. If they EVER find out you're a democrat and that you hate big business, profit, and the employer....you're fucked.

[AZGrizFan]

Like I said above, McCain as a Presidential candidate seems to indicate to the contrary. They could have put a true fiscal conservative up in 2008 but they didn't. They probably would have won had they done so.

BS. Weren't nobody derailing Obama's Self-Flagellation Express but the Messiah himself.

[danefan]

Like I said above, McCain as a Presidential candidate seems to indicate to the contrary. They could have put a true fiscal conservative up in 2008 but they didn't. They probably would have won had they done so.

BS. Weren't nobody derailing Obama's Self-Flagellation Express but the Messiah himself.

Perhaps your right, but was McCain the best the GOP could come up with?

[OL FU]

BS. Weren't nobody derailing Obama's Self-Flagellation Express but the Messiah himself.

Perhaps your right, but was McCain the best the GOP could come up with?

There is no doubt that McCain showed the problems with republicans. There is no doubt that congress controlled by the republicans showed the problems with republicans. There is no doubt that Bush's refusal to stand up to a republican congress with threats of vetos showed the problems with the republicans. And the republican congress refusal to stand up to Bush on new entitlements not paid for, etc.


There are certainly some truly conservative republicans but too damn many of them are just typical politicians buying votes with their hand outs. One of the reasons I don't call myself a republican anymore.

[kalm]

Ummm, the 108th and 109th Congresses did what almost all Congresses do, execute the wishes of President which is in the same party. Just look at what this Congress we have now is doing.

Before Bush came along, the Republicans were fiscally conservative. Now that Bush has left office, they seem to be returning to those roots.

Like I said above, McCain as a Presidential candidate seems to indicate to the contrary. They could have put a true fiscal conservative up in 2008 but they didn't. They probably would have won had they done so.

And I'm supposed to feel better about the GOP because they were just puppets to the Bush Administration? The Bush Administration is to me what the GOP represents. Until they show me (and millions of people like me) that they aren't the same, expect the same response.

The Bush years and McCain/Palin - you guys own it.

[Skjellyfetti]

Before Bush came along, the Republicans were fiscally conservative. Now that Bush has left office, they seem to be returning to those roots.

How many balanced budgets did Reagan have? How much did the debt increase under Bush I, Bush II, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, etc. etc.

There hasn't been a fiscally conservative president in the last 100 years (at least).

[Appaholic]

BS. Weren't nobody derailing Obama's Self-Flagellation Express but the Messiah himself.

Perhaps your right, but was McCain the best the GOP could come up with?

He was the Republican John Kerry....

[Baldy]

Nice try jon, you have the same rights I do, sorry.

Bullshit and you know it.

I can get fired for who I am. I can't marry the man I love.

No bullshit at all, and you know it.

In many states, anyone can get fired for any reason at any time. You live under the same marriage laws I do.

Sorry, can't get any more equal than that.

[Baldy]

Before Bush came along, the Republicans were fiscally conservative. Now that Bush has left office, they seem to be returning to those roots.

How many balanced budgets did Reagan have? How much did the debt increase under Bush I, Bush II, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, etc. etc.

There hasn't been a fiscally conservative president in the last 100 years (at least).

It's not the President, Skippy.
Congress controls the budget more than you realize. Before the Republicans took over in 1995, 50 years of Donk filth and scum had to be scrubbed from the chambers of Congress.

Under a Republican Congress we got a balanced budget. Bush won the presidency and as i said, set the agenda. Unfortunately, much of the agenda was irresponsible social spending, but as we all know now, elections have consequences.