Umpire blasts Yankees and Red Sox

[bluehenbillk]

I'm a HUGE baseball fan and I like the Red Sox. That being said, a 9-inning baseball game should never last more than 3 hours & 30 minutes. Whether it's countless batters stepping out, meetings at the mound, fruitless maniacal pickoff attempts or whatever. Baseball is right that they should try to get games down to 3 hrs or less. Before you rip into that thinking, keep in mind that the NFL did the same thing about a decade ago with starting the clock after guys go out of bounds among other time saving deals & no one seems to complain about the time duration of their games.

Baseball is great because you can go to see a 1-0 pitchers duel one night & then see a slugfest the next night. I wouldn't go as far to see a pitch clock resembling an NBA shot clock, but when games go longer than 3 hours look how many people aren;t there at the end, especially kids.

[bandl]

If the extra two hours was action I don't think anyone would have a problem with it. But it's not, it's guys stepping out of the batters box to adjust their batting gloves or feel their crotch; or conferences at the mound discussing how to pitch to a guy that the pitcher has faced 100 times before.

Why are you arguing this? Do you really think 4 hour baseball games are a good thing? Or are your panties in a wad because the Red Sox were one of teams that the Ump's critcized?

Those are exactly the two things that I have understood to be a major part of the holdup and there ain't no action in either of those two things.

Fuck Golf too.

Also sodomy. Unless she is hot.

[clenz]

I'll actually add my thoughts on this now. Keep in mind this I am a certified baseball ump in the state of Iowa for high school as well as basketball and football, and I am working towards becoming college certified. I am also a baseball coach.


A game should NEVER take that long, unless it is an extra inning game. Yes, umps could expand the zone, HOWEVER, that opens a whole new can of worms in terms of how far do you expand it, is it expanded for both teams evenly, would the guys swing at the expanded zone or sit there and bitch about it and argue with the umps taking up just as much time. Just because it is the Yankees and Red Sox (the two most over hyped teams in the majors, maybe pro sports) doesn't mean that it is "good baseball". I realize high school games in Iowa are 7 innings, however, I have done games that the final score was 9-7. The game starts at 8 and I am in my car on my way home by 9:30-9:45.

As an umpire I make sure games don't take that long, which is easier to do in high school than it is in the pros I realize. I don't grant time often. The batter isn't allowed out of the box unless they are getting a sign and if the sign takes more than a couple seconds I tell him to get in the box and if he doesn't I tell him I'm going to let the pitcher pitch, that solves the problem. If a pitcher is taking forever between pitches hitting them with a warning takes care of that. They only get one minute between half innings, or 8 warm up pitches, which ever comes first. If they only get two pitches during that time tough. Base runners aren't allowed to give their batting gloves to coaches after a double. They can wear them or they have pockets on their pants. It's easy to cut time off of a game in high school. HOWEVER, when you start dealing with the egos of the pros it becomes harder to do that. I think they need to start letting pitchers pitch if the batter is taking to long, calling balls on pitchers that take to long, etc...Why is it that the MLB average for the first three games was around 2 hours and 45 minutes but the Yankees and Red Sox was about 3 hours and 40 minutes. That is a god damn joke on the players, coaches, and umpires.


Travis, don't you fucking dare talk about "OH, he is getting paid this much to be there so tough shit", it isn't as simple as that. Unless you have gone out and worked the game you don't realize what it is like. It isn't just standing there calling balls and strikes and out or safe.

[bandl]

Anyways.

For the most part I don't watch baseball on TV, so I don't care about how long they last. But if I am watching a game, it's either on in the background or it's a playoff game, so the length of the game doesn't bother me.

Now if I go a game, I generally prefer the game to last a little while (provided it isn't bloody hot outside) for the sole reason that I can keep drinking and hanging out.

Either way though...a shorter game would never bother me either.

[UNHWildCats]

I'll actually add my thoughts on this now. Keep in mind this I am a certified baseball ump in the state of Iowa for high school as well as basketball and football, and I am working towards becoming college certified. I am also a baseball coach.


A game should NEVER take that long, unless it is an extra inning game. Yes, umps could expand the zone, HOWEVER, that opens a whole new can of worms in terms of how far do you expand it, is it expanded for both teams evenly, would the guys swing at the expanded zone or sit there and bitch about it and argue with the umps taking up just as much time. Just because it is the Yankees and Red Sox (the two most over hyped teams in the majors, maybe pro sports) doesn't mean that it is "good baseball". I realize high school games in Iowa are 7 innings, however, I have done games that the final score was 9-7. The game starts at 8 and I am in my car on my way home by 9:30-9:45.

As an umpire I make sure games don't take that long, which is easier to do in high school than it is in the pros I realize. I don't grant time often. The batter isn't allowed out of the box unless they are getting a sign and if the sign takes more than a couple seconds I tell him to get in the box and if he doesn't I tell him I'm going to let the pitcher pitch, that solves the problem. If a pitcher is taking forever between pitches hitting them with a warning takes care of that. They only get one minute between half innings, or 8 warm up pitches, which ever comes first. If they only get two pitches during that time tough. Base runners aren't allowed to give their batting gloves to coaches after a double. They can wear them or they have pockets on their pants. It's easy to cut time off of a game in high school. HOWEVER, when you start dealing with the egos of the pros it becomes harder to do that. I think they need to start letting pitchers pitch if the batter is taking to long, calling balls on pitchers that take to long, etc...Why is it that the MLB average for the first three games was around 2 hours and 45 minutes but the Yankees and Red Sox was about 3 hours and 40 minutes. That is a god damn joke on the players, coaches, and umpires.


Travis, don't you fucking dare talk about "OH, he is getting paid this much to be there so tough shit", it isn't as simple as that. Unless you have gone out and worked the game you don't realize what it is like. It isn't just standing there calling balls and strikes and out or safe.

No one is saying umpires should expand a strike zone, but they should call pitches based on the MLB mandated strike zone, many non calls are strikes according to the MLB strike zone, yet the umpires arent calling them.

As for time between innings. Yes in high school you can do 1 minute between innings, but in MLB they have to give the tv networks their time for commercials, less commercials means less $$ for MLB that aint going to happen.

As for your last comment. $1,800 a game to be a umpire is a lot of fucking $$ hell its a lot of money for any job for 1 day. No one making that kind of money should be complaining because he feels he had to work an extra 30 minutes or so especially when we are talking about the difference being 3 hours to 3 and a half hours. It all evens out for them, sure they worked 3 1/2 hours that night but in a week they will work a 2 hour 20 minute game so who cares.

Are baseball games too long? Yes sometimes. But to blame the Red Sox and Yankees saying they take too much time stepping out or visiting the mound that just isn't accurate... all teams do that, I have pointed out the main reason why these games take longer then most. And the other main point here is, Joe West is paid to do his job, if all he wants to do is complain about doing the job then fucking retire, he shouldn't even have a job today anyway, only reason he does is because a stupid arbitrator gave him his job back.

[UNHWildCats]

Anyways.

For the most part I don't watch baseball on TV, so I don't care about how long they last. But if I am watching a game, it's either on in the background or it's a playoff game, so the length of the game doesn't bother me.

Now if I go a game, I generally prefer the game to last a little while (provided it isn't bloody hot outside) for the sole reason that I can keep drinking and hanging out.

Either way though...a shorter game would never bother me either.

so ideally its good for games to drag on slightly until the beer shuts down sales in the 7th then u want the game to fly the rest?

[bandl]

Anyways.

For the most part I don't watch baseball on TV, so I don't care about how long they last. But if I am watching a game, it's either on in the background or it's a playoff game, so the length of the game doesn't bother me.

Now if I go a game, I generally prefer the game to last a little while (provided it isn't bloody hot outside) for the sole reason that I can keep drinking and hanging out.

Either way though...a shorter game would never bother me either.

so ideally its good for games to drag on slightly until the beer shuts down sales in the 7th then u want the game to fly the rest?

My god, Travis finally has it all figured out.

[clenz]

I'll actually add my thoughts on this now. Keep in mind this I am a certified baseball ump in the state of Iowa for high school as well as basketball and football, and I am working towards becoming college certified. I am also a baseball coach.


A game should NEVER take that long, unless it is an extra inning game. Yes, umps could expand the zone, HOWEVER, that opens a whole new can of worms in terms of how far do you expand it, is it expanded for both teams evenly, would the guys swing at the expanded zone or sit there and bitch about it and argue with the umps taking up just as much time. Just because it is the Yankees and Red Sox (the two most over hyped teams in the majors, maybe pro sports) doesn't mean that it is "good baseball". I realize high school games in Iowa are 7 innings, however, I have done games that the final score was 9-7. The game starts at 8 and I am in my car on my way home by 9:30-9:45.

As an umpire I make sure games don't take that long, which is easier to do in high school than it is in the pros I realize. I don't grant time often. The batter isn't allowed out of the box unless they are getting a sign and if the sign takes more than a couple seconds I tell him to get in the box and if he doesn't I tell him I'm going to let the pitcher pitch, that solves the problem. If a pitcher is taking forever between pitches hitting them with a warning takes care of that. They only get one minute between half innings, or 8 warm up pitches, which ever comes first. If they only get two pitches during that time tough. Base runners aren't allowed to give their batting gloves to coaches after a double. They can wear them or they have pockets on their pants. It's easy to cut time off of a game in high school. HOWEVER, when you start dealing with the egos of the pros it becomes harder to do that. I think they need to start letting pitchers pitch if the batter is taking to long, calling balls on pitchers that take to long, etc...Why is it that the MLB average for the first three games was around 2 hours and 45 minutes but the Yankees and Red Sox was about 3 hours and 40 minutes. That is a god damn joke on the players, coaches, and umpires.


Travis, don't you fucking dare talk about "OH, he is getting paid this much to be there so tough shit", it isn't as simple as that. Unless you have gone out and worked the game you don't realize what it is like. It isn't just standing there calling balls and strikes and out or safe.

No one is saying umpires should expand a strike zone, but they should call pitches based on the MLB mandated strike zone, many non calls are strikes according to the MLB strike zone, yet the umpires arent calling them.

As for time between innings. Yes in high school you can do 1 minute between innings, but in MLB they have to give the tv networks their time for commercials, less commercials means less $$ for MLB that aint going to happen.

As for your last comment. $1,800 a game to be a umpire is a lot of fucking $$ hell its a lot of money for any job for 1 day. No one making that kind of money should be complaining because he feels he had to work an extra 30 minutes or so especially when we are talking about the difference being 3 hours to 3 and a half hours. It all evens out for them, sure they worked 3 1/2 hours that night but in a week they will work a 2 hour 20 minute game so who cares.

Are baseball games too long? Yes sometimes. But to blame the Red Sox and Yankees saying they take too much time stepping out or visiting the mound that just isn't accurate... all teams do that, I have pointed out the main reason why these games take longer then most. And the other main point here is, Joe West is paid to do his job, if all he wants to do is complain about doing the job then fucking retire, he shouldn't even have a job today anyway, only reason he does is because a stupid arbitrator gave him his job back.

The games between these two teams are AN HOUR LONGER than every other game in the majors this year so far.


I hate to pull this card, but you don't work. An extra hour, no matter how much you are paid... especially an extra hour where you don't get paid extra...and when the other people working aren't having do that extra hour is a big deal. Posada, at one point last year during the ALCS went to the mound 8 FUCKING TIMES in one inning. That is ridiculous no matter what team they play for. Jeter stepping out of the box double digit times per at bat is stupid. Hell, stepping out in general is dumb as fuck.


Why should Yankee/Red Sox games take longer? They are playing the same number of innings as every other team.

[bluehenbillk]

Joe West was really just echoing the comments that MLB has been making for the past 2-3 years about time of games. The ratings for a 7pm game have to wane after 10pm you'd think.....

[clenz]

Joe West was really just echoing the comments that MLB has been making for the past 2-3 years about time of games. The ratings for a 7pm game have to wane after 10pm you'd think.....

Exactly. This isn't all on players though. There is no reason to have 4 minutes of commercials between innings, no reason to have a 3 or 4 minute commercial break when a relief pitcher comes in, etc... The same things are said for football as well. Commercials after a touchdown, then after the kick off, then a possible three or four players, a punt, then a commercial break, quick TD, commercial, kick off, commercial, etc... That being said about the NFL, the actual game itself doesn't take that long.


There should be no reason for 40 seconds between pitches. Get the ball back, get on the rubber, and pitch the ball. There is a reason those pitchers that do that have more success, it is because batters are used to a minute between pitches. I think a pitch clock could and should be put in. Make it 30 seconds. You get 30 seconds from the time the ump calls a ball or strike to get the pitch off, and if it isn't than it is a ball. As a batter a TO shouldn't be granted unless a sign is being given. To keep batters from taking 10-15 second signs make it so that a sign can only be given every other pitch and must be less than 5 seconds. If that batter is out of the box more than 5 seconds the pitcher can pitch. Limit the number of times players can have meetings. There is a limit on coaches, make a limit on player meetings.


I could keep going. Very simple things that would take games from 2:45 to 2 hours, and nothing would be missed.

[grizzaholic]

I hate to pull this card, but you don't work.

UNH can work now.

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[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I'm just spit balling here but I would imagine there are more commercials and maybe at a higher rate during Red Sox/Yankees games. Am I off base here? If this is the case then MLB and whoever broadcasts the games probably sees this as a cash cow. As I say, don't know any facts but it's an untested theory as to part of the reason.

Who wants to shoot holes in it?

[danefan]

Yankee games are my refuge.......slow them down and I get to drink less on a random tuesday night in June.

I love baseball just the way it is.

Anyone see Schilling's response to West?

Former major league pitcher Curt Schilling, now an analyst for ESPN's "Baseball Tonight" and ESPNBoston.com, on Joe West's comments:

"Watch Joe West during the game. He never lets the catcher throw a ball in play. He rushes everything, and calls a small plate. He's decent behind there, consistent, but smaller than he can be. If he wants to pick up the pace he should get the pace of the game going by calling more strikes ... strikes.

"Not to mention he often times acts like he'd rather be any place in the world other than the field.

"... Part of the reason the games are slower is because their offenses are so deep, and so good. Hitters never give away at-bats. Every pitch matters, on both sides, for nine innings.

"The reason the games are slow is very clear, and one not many will print -- TV. Ad revenue has gotten to the point that TV is allowed to dictate pace of game, not the game itself."

[clenz]

Yankee games are my refuge.......slow them down and I get to drink less on a random tuesday night in June.

I love baseball just the way it is.

Anyone see Schilling's response to West?

Former major league pitcher Curt Schilling, now an analyst for ESPN's "Baseball Tonight" and ESPNBoston.com, on Joe West's comments:

"Watch Joe West during the game. He never lets the catcher throw a ball in play. He rushes everything, and calls a small plate. He's decent behind there, consistent, but smaller than he can be. If he wants to pick up the pace he should get the pace of the game going by calling more strikes ... strikes.

"Not to mention he often times acts like he'd rather be any place in the world other than the field.

"... Part of the reason the games are slower is because their offenses are so deep, and so good. Hitters never give away at-bats. Every pitch matters, on both sides, for nine innings.

"The reason the games are slow is very clear, and one not many will print -- TV. Ad revenue has gotten to the point that TV is allowed to dictate pace of game, not the game itself."

And I agree TV is a problem. However, like i've laid out, there are plenty of ways to but the time of a game down to make it more bearable to watch.

[Gil Dobie]

I'm a big baseball fan and sports fan in general. I'm always hoping for extra innings or overtime. My biggest complaint was expressed in danefan's post, the time between innings and time-outs due to TV breaks. I love TIVO I'll put a game on hold, go make some popcorn, refresh the drink or potty break, comeback and fast-forward past the commercials.

[danefan]

TV is a problem in all sports, IMO.

I can't stand watching NFL games. A commercial after the PAT and then again after the kickoff! WTF?

The same can be said for time between innings. The pitchers don't even warm up in between innings right away. When the other team is runnning off the the field, the pitcher going out sits for an addition 2 minutes usually before he starts his warmup.

[bandl]

TV is a problem in all sports, IMO.

I can't stand watching NFL games. A commercial after the PAT and then again after the kickoff! WTF?

The same can be said for time between innings. The pitchers don't even warm up in between innings right away. When the other team is runnning off the the field, the pitcher going out sits for an addition 2 minutes usually before he starts his warmup.

You should try watching soccer! No commercials at all except during half time.





Sorry.

[clenz]

TV is a problem in all sports, IMO.

I can't stand watching NFL games. A commercial after the PAT and then again after the kickoff! WTF?

The same can be said for time between innings. The pitchers don't even warm up in between innings right away. When the other team is runnning off the the field, the pitcher going out sits for an addition 2 minutes usually before he starts his warmup.

You should try watching soccer! No commercials at all except during half time.





Sorry.

I'd rather watch the commercials....

[UNHWildCats]

No one is saying umpires should expand a strike zone, but they should call pitches based on the MLB mandated strike zone, many non calls are strikes according to the MLB strike zone, yet the umpires arent calling them.

As for time between innings. Yes in high school you can do 1 minute between innings, but in MLB they have to give the tv networks their time for commercials, less commercials means less $$ for MLB that aint going to happen.

As for your last comment. $1,800 a game to be a umpire is a lot of fucking $$ hell its a lot of money for any job for 1 day. No one making that kind of money should be complaining because he feels he had to work an extra 30 minutes or so especially when we are talking about the difference being 3 hours to 3 and a half hours. It all evens out for them, sure they worked 3 1/2 hours that night but in a week they will work a 2 hour 20 minute game so who cares.

Are baseball games too long? Yes sometimes. But to blame the Red Sox and Yankees saying they take too much time stepping out or visiting the mound that just isn't accurate... all teams do that, I have pointed out the main reason why these games take longer then most. And the other main point here is, Joe West is paid to do his job, if all he wants to do is complain about doing the job then fucking retire, he shouldn't even have a job today anyway, only reason he does is because a stupid arbitrator gave him his job back.

The games between these two teams are AN HOUR LONGER than every other game in the majors this year so far.


I hate to pull this card, but you don't work. An extra hour, no matter how much you are paid... especially an extra hour where you don't get paid extra...and when the other people working aren't having do that extra hour is a big deal. Posada, at one point last year during the ALCS went to the mound 8 FUCKING TIMES in one inning. That is ridiculous no matter what team they play for. Jeter stepping out of the box double digit times per at bat is stupid. Hell, stepping out in general is dumb as fuck.


Why should Yankee/Red Sox games take longer? They are playing the same number of innings as every other team.

go bvack to my post I made last night comapring the tuesday game to the Tuesday SF vs Houston game. The differe3nce isnt trips to the mound or stepping out between pitches. Its that the Sox and Yankees have lots of players who see lots of pitches. Comparing the two games the difference in time of how long between each pitch wasnt much but the Sox/Yankee game saw 73 more pitches then the SF game which adds lots of time to the game.

Umpires are paid to umpire a game. They are not hired and paid to work 3 hours a day. Does MLB demand money back from them when they only work 2 hours and 3 minutes for a game. As I said... it will all average out in the end for them.... yes some days they work 3 hours 30 minutes but others they will only work 2 hours and 20.

And just because I dont work right now doesnt mean I never have. I have worked in politics and retail a lot and in retail between thanksgiving and christmas I have worked 80 to 90 hour weeks. In 1996 when working for Bill Clinton several times leading up to election day my sleep consisted of a couple hours sleep on a couch in the office the rest of the day/nite was spent working. I did this because it was my job, I enjoyed my job. If I didnt like the hours I would have quit. Joe West has that very same option. If he dont like the extra 30 minutes some games he is free to retire.

Why dont you go ask coal miners in West Virginia if they would rather work an extra 30 minutes some day or perhaps an extra hour without being paid more and still make $1,800 a day or if they rather go into those mines risking their lives each and every day.

Joe West's complaining is a slap in the face to hard working Americans like mine workers or firefighters or policemen who work their lives giving back to America.

Do you think NY's Bravest were complaining on September 11 because they had to work extra hours. Or any firefighter in general who maybe near the end of their shift when a 6 alarm fire call comes in and they end up working an extra 4 hours.

Joe West is paid VERY WELL to do a job a lot of people would take over what they do now and on top of that his meals, travel and hotels are paid for by MLB when he is working.

The only people who have a right to complain about the time of games are the fans and since MLB is at nbear record attendance levels fans obviously dont mind that much

[UNHWildCats]

I'm just spit balling here but I would imagine there are more commercials and maybe at a higher rate during Red Sox/Yankees games. Am I off base here? If this is the case then MLB and whoever broadcasts the games probably sees this as a cash cow. As I say, don't know any facts but it's an untested theory as to part of the reason.

Who wants to shoot holes in it?

mlb sets a time for commercial breaks according to USA Today its like 2:05 for games and 2:20 for national broadcasts such as ESPN Sunday night baseball and FOX Saturday baseball. These times dont change depending on teams playing.

[bandl]

The games between these two teams are AN HOUR LONGER than every other game in the majors this year so far.


I hate to pull this card, but you don't work. An extra hour, no matter how much you are paid... especially an extra hour where you don't get paid extra...and when the other people working aren't having do that extra hour is a big deal. Posada, at one point last year during the ALCS went to the mound 8 FUCKING TIMES in one inning. That is ridiculous no matter what team they play for. Jeter stepping out of the box double digit times per at bat is stupid. Hell, stepping out in general is dumb as fuck.


Why should Yankee/Red Sox games take longer? They are playing the same number of innings as every other team.

go bvack to my post I made last night comapring the tuesday game to the Tuesday SF vs Houston game. The differe3nce isnt trips to the mound or stepping out between pitches. Its that the Sox and Yankees have lots of players who see lots of pitches. Comparing the two games the difference in time of how long between each pitch wasnt much but the Sox/Yankee game saw 73 more pitches then the SF game which adds lots of time to the game.

Umpires are paid to umpire a game. They are not hired and paid to work 3 hours a day. Does MLB demand money back from them when they only work 2 hours and 3 minutes for a game. As I said... it will all average out in the end for them.... yes some days they work 3 hours 30 minutes but others they will only work 2 hours and 20.

And just because I dont work right now doesnt mean I never have. I have worked in politics and retail a lot and in retail between thanksgiving and christmas I have worked 80 to 90 hour weeks. In 1996 when working for Bill Clinton several times leading up to election day my sleep consisted of a couple hours sleep on a couch in the office the rest of the day/nite was spent working. I did this because it was my job, I enjoyed my job. If I didnt like the hours I would have quit. Joe West has that very same option. If he dont like the extra 30 minutes some games he is free to retire.

Why dont you go ask coal miners in West Virginia if they would rather work an extra 30 minutes some day or perhaps an extra hour without being paid more and still make $1,800 a day or if they rather go into those mines risking their lives each and every day.

Joe West's complaining is a slap in the face to hard working Americans like mine workers or firefighters or policemen who work their lives giving back to America.

Do you think NY's Bravest were complaining on September 11 because they had to work extra hours. Or any firefighter in general who maybe near the end of their shift when a 6 alarm fire call comes in and they end up working an extra 4 hours.

Joe West is paid VERY WELL to do a job a lot of people would take over what they do now and on top of that his meals, travel and hotels are paid for by MLB when he is working.

The only people who have a right to complain about the time of games are the fans and since MLB is at nbear record attendance levels fans obviously dont mind that much

Geez Travis, you sure are letter Mr. Jetsetter Clenz get to you.

Watching you two seasoned vets go at it is highly entertaining! I can't imagine how much knowledge you two will bestow on us when you reach the second half of your twenties!

[BlueHen86]

if you seriously think 2 hours of a Red Sox/Yankees game is just what you mentioned you are an idiot. One reason these two teams have games that drag on is both teams have lots of players who are patient and work deep counts.

Lets compare two games from Tuesday. Boston vs New York and Houston vs San Fran.

The Boston/New York game saw a combined 332 pitches over an official 228 minutes of game time. This averaged out to about 1 pitch ever .68 minutes or about every 42 seconds (Before you complain about that remember game time includes commercial breaks between innings which totals anywhere from 25 to 27 minutes depending on wether you calculate using 90 second breaks or the USA Today reported 2 in 5 second breaks (I have never counted)) Meantime the other game had 259 pithes over a 158 minute game which averaged out to one pitch ever .6 minutes or one pitch every 36 seconds or so, again take into account inning breaks before complaining about the time.

So right there theres very little difference between time between pitches, the big difference is NY and Bos take tons of pitches and/or foul off a lot which adds a lot to the game. Also keep in mind on that Tuesday game the home plate umpire had a very bad strike zone and was squeezing both Burnett and Lester which added to pitch counts and added to game time, both Burnett and Lester complained with the umpire between innings. So the big difference isnt with Red Sox or Yankee players stepping out more or having more mound visits. And the umpires need to take some blame for games dragging on.

Moral of the story: don't get into an argument with Travis unless you have 8 free hours during the day to type out posts like this one.

I stopped reading after I read where he called me an idiot.

[BlueHen86]

You should try watching soccer! No commercials at all except during half time.





Sorry.

I'd rather watch the commercials....

Great response


I was going to say the same thing bandl did.

[T-Dog]

Joe West's complaining is a slap in the face to hard working Americans like mine workers or firefighters or policemen who work their lives giving back to America.

What a piece of work you are.

One of my good friends is a diehard Red Sox fan and he agrees that they take way too fucking long. Two years ago we watched the Angels/Red Sox ALDS and the games from Anaheim started at 10 pm and didn't end til 2 am.

It's not a slap in the face to the common man as you have spun it to mean. It's stating what most baseball fans feel.

Moral of the story is if you disagree with Travis, he'll spin it to make you seem like Hitler and more importantly, to make himself feel better.

[clenz]

Joe West's complaining is a slap in the face to hard working Americans like mine workers or firefighters or policemen who work their lives giving back to America.

What a piece of work you are.

One of my good friends is a diehard Red Sox fan and he agrees that they take way too fucking long. Two years ago we watched the Angels/Red Sox ALDS and the games from Anaheim started at 10 pm and didn't end til 2 am.

It's not a slap in the face to the common man as you have spun it to mean. It's stating what most baseball fans feel.

Moral of the story is if you disagree with Travis, he'll spin it to make you seem like Hitler and more importantly, to make himself feel better.

This is why I stopped replying. I had a big thing typed out where I picked 10 random games, pulled the score, hits, pitching changes and total time of game and compared it to the Yankees/Red Sox games.


Turns out other games have saw a similar number of pitches, pitching changes, MORE RUNS, MORE HITS, and yet they came in at an average of 2 hours and 48 minutes. Comapred to the 3 hours and 40 minutes, or so, of the Yankees/Red Sox games. However, I'm sure Travis would throw some 9/11 or other stupid shit at me...it just wasn't worth it