National Review article about tax code

[houndawg]

Thank you, I resemble that remark.

But you won't hear me singing with the whiny bitch choir of AZ and Bladder and their ilk. These America-hating scumsuckers need to haul ass if they don't like it here where they have a better life than 99.9% of the planet's population.


Greedy corksoakers.

I hate my high taxes because I see the waste all around me...if all my taxes were going to benefit the country, I would not complain...but its not...that's what pisses me off...

Pisses me off too, Colonel.

[kalm]

I agree completely with this statement. We obviously need welfare reform, and people who don't pay taxes or who receive govmint checks should be required to perform some sort of compulsory service in return.

But how do you get people off the teat without better paying jobs and education? Free trade has taken the jobs and states are freezing or cutting education.

Absolutely.

Of course, if there were enough jobs to go around, 'Z-bag and Badly would be the first to complain about rising wages.

And don't forget the need to cut education spending and keep the $ out of the hands of those greedy teacher's unions.

Nothing spells economic recovery and the end to welfare like poorly educated low wage earners.

[death dealer]

And you voting obama into office was such a victory and a success.

I'm not the one acting like the apocalypse is nigh because a Democrat, and a darkie to boot, is in office, am I?

Jizz, your latent racism is disturbing. Not a single word of that article, nor any comment made on this thread before the one I quoted had anything to do with race. Yet you brought it up? Houndawg has the same problem. I guess we can refer to it as Reiditis. You guys can't seem to figure out that people don't like Obama's policies and that it has nothing to do with his ethnicity. I think it's like the big thug who's always bashing on gays only to turn out to be a closet flamer himself. Brother, you need to examine yourself, I think you might be a racist.

[death dealer]

Yep, my company is paid by the federal government to provide a service...and I receive a check from that company...

I also receive military retirement...

Still, the majority of that 20% has nothing to do with the military, as jellybelly tried to intimate...

Yeah, that's why I was thinking about other people who receive federal monies. We are paid through State or Private companies, but all of the money that we are paid with comes from Federal dollars. So I'm wondering if those types of employees were factored into the 20% as it is Federal dollars being spent. Mind you, I doubt that all together, it will account for more than 7-10% of that total 20%.

I don't know for sure, but get the feeling he's strictly referring to folks on the direct dole here, and not people earning that money through labor.

[death dealer]

Typical Donk tactic...play the race card when you have no leg to stand on.

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What the fuck has that got to do with this article? Try to stay on topic.

[death dealer]

And yes, only 47% of Americans paying Federal Tax is unsupportable.

How many of those 47% are retirees? Living off of SS, or non-wage income? (pensions, etc)?

As Americans live longer, there are going to be more and more Americans retired, and many will not be paying taxes, but being HUGE receipiants of Federal Dollars.

Anyone who made $58k or less last year effectively paid no federal income tax. That is obscene. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I pay an assload of taxes, and I won't complain. That's not the issue here. The issue for me is that some guy making a good paycheck out there at 58K is paying nothing. And to add insult to injury, some deadbeat not making anything can actually get money "refunded" to him that he didn't even pay in to start with!!! WTF?

[death dealer]

You apparently didn't get the jist. AZ did.

I got it. You both are just delusional that there would be that much of a difference. Republicans spend just as much.

NO SHIT BROTHER!!!

[native]

And yes, only 47% of Americans paying Federal Tax is unsupportable.

How many of those 47% are retirees? Living off of SS, or non-wage income? (pensions, etc)?

As Americans live longer, there are going to be more and more Americans retired, and many will not be paying taxes, but being HUGE receipiants of Federal Dollars.

Anyone who made $58k or less last year effectively paid no federal income tax. That is obscene. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I pay an assload of taxes, and I won't complain. That's not the issue here. The issue for me is that some guy making a good paycheck out there at 58K is paying nothing. And to add insult to injury, some deadbeat not making anything can actually get money "refunded" to him that he didn't even pay in to start with!!! WTF?

Ditto! Everyone must have a little skin in the game.

[Baldy]

Absolutely.

Of course, if there were enough jobs to go around, 'Z-bag and Badly would be the first to complain about rising wages.

And don't forget the need to cut education spending and keep the $ out of the hands of those greedy teacher's unions.

Nothing spells economic recovery and the end to welfare like poorly educated low wage earners.

Of course, and throwing money at the problem has worked sooooo well.

We spend 1/2 the money the UK or Germany spends, but they still out perform the US in just about every category imaginable.

[OL FU]

And yes, only 47% of Americans paying Federal Tax is unsupportable.

How many of those 47% are retirees? Living off of SS, or non-wage income? (pensions, etc)?

As Americans live longer, there are going to be more and more Americans retired, and many will not be paying taxes, but being HUGE receipiants of Federal Dollars.

Anyone who made $58k or less last year effectively paid no federal income tax. That is obscene. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I pay an assload of taxes, and I won't complain. That's not the issue here. The issue for me is that some guy making a good paycheck out there at 58K is paying nothing. And to add insult to injury, some deadbeat not making anything can actually get money "refunded" to him that he didn't even pay in to start with!!! WTF?

I agree with your concept, but I think that is a wee bit of an overstatement. First the $58K number sounds high. Did it come from the article. Second it would only be the case if someone has kids and probably a high mortgage payment and the deductions would offset most income. A family at $58K gets the child tax credit but doesn't get earned income so I would imagine the average family of four with income of $58K paid taxes.

On of you tax guys tell me where I am wrong (and I know I don't have the numbers exactly right)

Standard deduction $11.000
PErsonal exemptions 15,000

remaining taxable income 32,000

Tax before credits $4000
Child tax credit -2000

Tax Liability $2000

Of course this assumes that there are no interest deductions, tuition credits etc.

Based on the above, I think somewhere around $44,000 is the number for that family not to pay income taxes (still paying payroll taxes, though)


I do think the child tax credit is something should go ( along with the EIC). I realize it is expensive to raise kids but their your kids. you should pay for them.


Alright sorry to bore you, back to the discussion.

[Col Hogan]

Absolutely.

Of course, if there were enough jobs to go around, 'Z-bag and Badly would be the first to complain about rising wages.

And don't forget the need to cut education spending and keep the $ out of the hands of those greedy teacher's unions.

Nothing spells economic recovery and the end to welfare like poorly educated low wage earners.

Education is not a federal responsibility...show me where in the Constitution it is listed as a federal responsibility...

Cut the entire education budget from the federal tax rolls...give the money back to the people...then the states can tax at the appropriate level for education...ITS A STATE RESPONSIBILITY!!!

[death dealer]

Anyone who made $58k or less last year effectively paid no federal income tax. That is obscene. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I pay an assload of taxes, and I won't complain. That's not the issue here. The issue for me is that some guy making a good paycheck out there at 58K is paying nothing. And to add insult to injury, some deadbeat not making anything can actually get money "refunded" to him that he didn't even pay in to start with!!! WTF?

I agree with your concept, but I think that is a wee bit of an overstatement. First the $58K number sounds high. Did it come from the article. Second it would only be the case if someone has kids and probably a high mortgage payment and the deductions would offset most income. A family at $58K gets the child tax credit but doesn't get earned income so I would imagine the average family of four with income of $58K paid taxes.

On of you tax guys tell me where I am wrong (and I know I don't have the numbers exactly right)

Standard deduction $11.000
PErsonal exemptions 15,000

remaining taxable income 32,000

Tax before credits $4000
Child tax credit -2000

Tax Liability $2000

Of course this assumes that there are no interest deductions, tuition credits etc.

Based on the above, I think somewhere around $44,000 is the number for that family not to pay income taxes (still paying payroll taxes, though)


I do think the child tax credit is something should go ( along with the EIC). I realize it is expensive to raise kids but their your kids. you should pay for them.


Alright sorry to bore you, back to the discussion.

Sorry, I went back and looked at the aritcle on CNBC, and it was actually $51K. So the guy making $58K would pay taxes on the other $7K! OMFG! What an injustice for him to have to do that! The rich bastards need to pull more of their own weight. How dare they ride on the backs of the poor working man!!

[OL FU]

I agree with your concept, but I think that is a wee bit of an overstatement. First the $58K number sounds high. Did it come from the article. Second it would only be the case if someone has kids and probably a high mortgage payment and the deductions would offset most income. A family at $58K gets the child tax credit but doesn't get earned income so I would imagine the average family of four with income of $58K paid taxes.

On of you tax guys tell me where I am wrong (and I know I don't have the numbers exactly right)

Standard deduction $11.000
PErsonal exemptions 15,000

remaining taxable income 32,000

Tax before credits $4000
Child tax credit -2000

Tax Liability $2000

Of course this assumes that there are no interest deductions, tuition credits etc.

Based on the above, I think somewhere around $44,000 is the number for that family not to pay income taxes (still paying payroll taxes, though)


I do think the child tax credit is something should go ( along with the EIC). I realize it is expensive to raise kids but their your kids. you should pay for them.


Alright sorry to bore you, back to the discussion.

Sorry, I went back and looked at the aritcle on CNBC, and it was actually $51K. So the guy making $58K would pay taxes on the other $7K! OMFG! What an injustice for him to have to do that! The rich bastards need to pull more of their own weight. How dare they ride on the backs of the poor working man!!

And I wasn't being critical, but you really can't throw a number out there without listing the assumption on kids, etc. The single guy or even the married couple with no kids making $51K is paying taxes

[houndawg]

I'm not the one acting like the apocalypse is nigh because a Democrat, and a darkie to boot, is in office, am I?

Jizz, your latent racism is disturbing. Not a single word of that article, nor any comment made on this thread before the one I quoted had anything to do with race. Yet you brought it up? Houndawg has the same problem. I guess we can refer to it as Reiditis. You guys can't seem to figure out that people don't like Obama's policies and that it has nothing to do with his ethnicity. I think it's like the big thug who's always bashing on gays only to turn out to be a closet flamer himself. Brother, you need to examine yourself, I think you might be a racist.

Your vicious ad hominem attacks have hurt my feelings deeply, meth dealer.

You and your ilk are the reason that the pencil-necks on AGS whine about the vulgar insults and name calling on this site.

[GannonFan]

Careful - a positive population growth is something that is actually helping this country. GDP's of other countries, as well as entitlement programs based on a workforce bigger than the groups getting the entitlements, start to become worrisome when people stop having children (or are de-inceticized to have them). We'll get a good picture over the next 1-30 years of what happens to countries that stop having children and the populations skew significantly older.

How many people have kids because of the deduction? Probably none. If you need a tax break to afford children, then you probably shouldn't be having them.

I fully support spending money on education. I have voted to raise my taxes to support quality schools.



Plus, there are millions of young Mexicans, Nicaraguans, etc dying to pay taxes in the US.

I'm sure very few, if any, have kids because of the tax deductions. But there's no denying the fact that it does make it easier to have children with it in place.

And sure there are plenty of young immigrants who want to come to the country who could fill the role of enlarging the workforce to help pay for the entitlement programs that favor the old - we've used immigration often in the past to fill that role. But it's also a more turbulent way to do so, as evidenced by the various nativist movements that popped up over the first 100-150 years of this country. But when it comes down to it, having a growing population is far more beneficial than the negatives it brings with it.

[death dealer]

Jizz, your latent racism is disturbing. Not a single word of that article, nor any comment made on this thread before the one I quoted had anything to do with race. Yet you brought it up? Houndawg has the same problem. I guess we can refer to it as Reiditis. You guys can't seem to figure out that people don't like Obama's policies and that it has nothing to do with his ethnicity. I think it's like the big thug who's always bashing on gays only to turn out to be a closet flamer himself. Brother, you need to examine yourself, I think you might be a racist.

Your vicious ad hominem attacks have hurt my feelings deeply, meth dealer.

You and your ilk are the reason that the pencil-necks on AGS whine about the vulgar insults and name calling on this site.

Pull your skirt down Nancy, your vaginas showing.

[houndawg]

And don't forget the need to cut education spending and keep the $ out of the hands of those greedy teacher's unions.

Nothing spells economic recovery and the end to welfare like poorly educated low wage earners.

Education is not a federal responsibility...show me where in the Constitution it is listed as a federal responsibility...

Cut the entire education budget from the federal tax rolls...give the money back to the people...then the states can tax at the appropriate level for education...ITS A STATE RESPONSIBILITY!!!

How could you do that to those poor children in Mississippi, Colonel?

[AZGrizFan]

Jizz, your latent racism is disturbing. Not a single word of that article, nor any comment made on this thread before the one I quoted had anything to do with race. Yet you brought it up? Houndawg has the same problem. I guess we can refer to it as Reiditis. You guys can't seem to figure out that people don't like Obama's policies and that it has nothing to do with his ethnicity. I think it's like the big thug who's always bashing on gays only to turn out to be a closet flamer himself. Brother, you need to examine yourself, I think you might be a racist.

Your vicious ad hominem attacks have hurt my feelings deeply, meth dealer.

You and your ilk are the reason that the pencil-necks on AGS whine about the vulgar insults and name calling on this site.

STOP!!! Seriously.....you, OF ALL PEOPLE, are now going to get all high and fucking mighty about someone ELSE calling someone names and slinging vulgar insults? You? The fucking KING of vulgar insults and name calling?

That is fucking priceless. Truly. You've outdone even YOURSELF on this one, dawg.

[Col Hogan]

Education is not a federal responsibility...show me where in the Constitution it is listed as a federal responsibility...

Cut the entire education budget from the federal tax rolls...give the money back to the people...then the states can tax at the appropriate level for education...ITS A STATE RESPONSIBILITY!!!

How could you do that to those poor children in Mississippi, Colonel?

I beg your pardon, I never promised you a Rose Garden...








Tell their parents to call Atlas Van Lines and move out of the state...or vote in state politicians who consider education a priority...

[AZGrizFan]

How many people have kids because of the deduction? Probably none. If you need a tax break to afford children, then you probably shouldn't be having them.

I fully support spending money on education. I have voted to raise my taxes to support quality schools.



Plus, there are millions of young Mexicans, Nicaraguans, etc dying to pay taxes in the US.

Oh, that's pure BS and you know it. Ain't but about .5% of those folks who would even come remotely close to EVER having to "pay" taxes in the US. They're solid Dem voters.

[houndawg]

Your vicious ad hominem attacks have hurt my feelings deeply, meth dealer.

You and your ilk are the reason that the pencil-necks on AGS whine about the vulgar insults and name calling on this site.

STOP!!! Seriously.....you, OF ALL PEOPLE, are now going to get all high and **** mighty about someone ELSE calling someone names and slinging vulgar insults? You? The **** KING of vulgar insults and name calling?

That is **** priceless. Truly. You've outdone even YOURSELF on this one, dawg.

For a minute there I thought nobody cared.

Many thanks, it's always good to have the respect of your peers.

[Ibanez]

And yes, only 47% of Americans paying Federal Tax is unsupportable.

How many of those 47% are retirees? Living off of SS, or non-wage income? (pensions, etc)?

As Americans live longer, there are going to be more and more Americans retired, and many will not be paying taxes, but being HUGE receipiants of Federal Dollars.

Anyone who made $58k or less last year effectively paid no federal income tax. That is obscene. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I pay an assload of taxes, and I won't complain. That's not the issue here. The issue for me is that some guy making a good paycheck out there at 58K is paying nothing. And to add insult to injury, some deadbeat not making anything can actually get money "refunded" to him that he didn't even pay in to start with!!! WTF?

I must be the exception. I paid more in taxes than what was "refunded".

[Grizalltheway]

I'm not the one acting like the apocalypse is nigh because a Democrat, and a darkie to boot, is in office, am I?

Jizz, your latent racism is disturbing. Not a single word of that article, nor any comment made on this thread before the one I quoted had anything to do with race. Yet you brought it up? Houndawg has the same problem. I guess we can refer to it as Reiditis. You guys can't seem to figure out that people don't like Obama's policies and that it has nothing to do with his ethnicity. I think it's like the big thug who's always bashing on gays only to turn out to be a closet flamer himself. Brother, you need to examine yourself, I think you might be a racist.

JESUS some of you guys are high strung. All I was trying to do with that post was point out that the things that conks are suddenly up in arms about have been going on for YEARS, not just since 1-20-09. The darkie comment was simply intended as bait, and it was clearly effective.

[houndawg]

Jizz, your latent racism is disturbing. Not a single word of that article, nor any comment made on this thread before the one I quoted had anything to do with race. Yet you brought it up? Houndawg has the same problem. I guess we can refer to it as Reiditis. You guys can't seem to figure out that people don't like Obama's policies and that it has nothing to do with his ethnicity. I think it's like the big thug who's always bashing on gays only to turn out to be a closet flamer himself. Brother, you need to examine yourself, I think you might be a racist.

JESUS some of you guys are high strung. All I was trying to do with that post was point out that the things that conks are suddenly up in arms about have been going on for YEARS, not just since 1-20-09. The darkie comment was simply intended as bait, and it was clearly effective.

beth squealer hits every time, especially when she's off her meds........

[AZGrizFan]

Jizz, your latent racism is disturbing. Not a single word of that article, nor any comment made on this thread before the one I quoted had anything to do with race. Yet you brought it up? Houndawg has the same problem. I guess we can refer to it as Reiditis. You guys can't seem to figure out that people don't like Obama's policies and that it has nothing to do with his ethnicity. I think it's like the big thug who's always bashing on gays only to turn out to be a closet flamer himself. Brother, you need to examine yourself, I think you might be a racist.

JESUS some of you guys are high strung. All I was trying to do with that post was point out that the things that conks are suddenly up in arms about have been going on for YEARS, not just since 1-20-09. The darkie comment was simply intended as bait, and it was clearly effective.

Let the backpeddling begin...