I'm officially scared for our future

[youngterrier]

and no this is not an Obama-bashing thread sorry Nat-o

Some of you may be aware that I am currently a high school student and politically speaking brighter than most my age. Today in Biology class we were having debates over certain issues of population growth and what measures should be taken in the future in order to lessen the repercussions environmentally and in other ways. If we agreed with one concept we went to one side of the room and if we disagreed we went to another. The teacher framed one question in a poor way I believe as it was "Do you think we should limit immigration" (not illegal immigration but legal too) , when I think it should have been "In order to lessen the effects of population growth, should we limit immigration." As a result the discussion became a little more political. there are 30 people in my class, 26 went to the "agree side" and I, among 3 others, went to the "disagree side." The reasoning behind the agreeing side was horrible at best. I don't know if this is an adequate example among the political information received by the younger generation, as I'm willing to bet at least half of them think Obama is a Muslim and or the Antichrist. Anyway, I can live with political misinformation but the entitlement and superiority complex is what makes me fear for the future. keep in mind these guys will be voting in the next presidential election . the reasoning behind the belief of some was rather reasonable as it was concern over terrorists, lawbreakers, etc but overall the opinion was that immigrants come over here and "take OUR jobs" and only come over here "to make more money" (my response to that is "well duh") my peers believe "an American should open an Italian restaurant, not an Italian immigrant" (THOSE WERE THEIR EXACT WORDS ENTIRELY)

This sickens me for many reasons. For one, it shows my generation may have a bigger entitlement complex than from those past, in that they deserve a job more than someone who worked hard enough to immigrate here and give a shot at the American Dream. In addition there seems to be a superiority complex that natural born citizens are higher and more important than those who immigrated here. there also may be a racial undertone but I don't want to go there. It also shows how bad our education system is as they have no clue what they're talking about. I may be reading too much into this but either way, I'm already disappointed in my peers. Please tell me there is reason to believe in my generation again

--Youngterrier

[HI54UNI]

It's the youth like you that give me hope. Unfortunately too many are like those you described. Hopefully they will be too lazy to put down the game controller and cell phone and leave mom and dad's basement to go vote.

[houndawg]

and no this is not an Obama-bashing thread sorry Nat-o

Some of you may be aware that I am currently a high school student and politically speaking brighter than most my age. Today in Biology class we were having debates over certain issues of population growth and what measures should be taken in the future in order to lessen the repercussions environmentally and in other ways. If we agreed with one concept we went to one side of the room and if we disagreed we went to another. The teacher framed one question in a poor way I believe as it was "Do you think we should limit immigration" (not illegal immigration but legal too) , when I think it should have been "In order to lessen the effects of population growth, should we limit immigration." As a result the discussion became a little more political. there are 30 people in my class, 26 went to the "agree side" and I, among 3 others, went to the "disagree side." The reasoning behind the agreeing side was horrible at best. I don't know if this is an adequate example among the political information received by the younger generation, as I'm willing to bet at least half of them think Obama is a Muslim and or the Antichrist. Anyway, I can live with political misinformation but the entitlement and superiority complex is what makes me fear for the future. keep in mind these guys will be voting in the next presidential election . the reasoning behind the belief of some was rather reasonable as it was concern over terrorists, lawbreakers, etc but overall the opinion was that immigrants come over here and "take OUR jobs" and only come over here "to make more money" (my response to that is "well duh") my peers believe "an American should open an Italian restaurant, not an Italian immigrant" (THOSE WERE THEIR EXACT WORDS ENTIRELY)

This sickens me for many reasons. For one, it shows my generation may have a bigger entitlement complex than from those past, in that they deserve a job more than someone who worked hard enough to immigrate here and give a shot at the American Dream. In addition there seems to be a superiority complex that natural born citizens are higher and more important than those who immigrated here. there also may be a racial undertone but I don't want to go there. It also shows how bad our education system is as they have no clue what they're talking about. I may be reading too much into this but either way, I'm already disappointed in my peers. Please tell me there is reason to believe in my generation again

--Youngterrier

1) I've got a family from Sicily running an Italian ristorante in my building, (mama and papa and two smoking hot daughters), the building was empty for two years and no Americans approached me about opening an Italian restaurant in it, I guess those socialist euros are more entreprenurial than the locals.

2) The country survived Bush's Decade of Miserable Failure and Pitiful Incompetence, so I'm not worried about your crowd.

3) Get over yourself, some kids are just late bloomers.

[youngterrier]

3) Get over yourself, some kids are just late bloomers.

I don't expect them to be on "my level" but this stuff is just scary

I expected you to say something about population growth being the #1 problem the world face

[HI54UNI]

3) Get over yourself, some kids are just late bloomers.

I don't expect them to be on "my level" but this stuff is just scary

I expected you to say something about population growth being the #1 problem the world face

No, dawg's thing is Bush blame. D1B is the population growth guy.

[houndawg]

I don't expect them to be on "my level" but this stuff is just scary

I expected you to say something about population growth being the #1 problem the world face

No, dawg's thing is Bush blame. D1B is the population growth guy.

No, I'm a population growth guy too, That one is a no-brainer, but I knew yt was expecting that.

John Brunner got it down with amazing prescience in his 1968 novel Stand on Zanzibar.

[Baldy]

1) I've got a family from Sicily running an Italian ristorante in my building, (mama and papa and two smoking hot daughters), the building was empty for two years and no Americans approached me about opening an Italian restaurant in it, I guess those socialist euros are more entreprenurial than the locals.

2) The country survived Bush's Decade of Miserable Failure and Pitiful Incompetence, so I'm not worried about your crowd.

3) Get over yourself, some kids are just late bloomers.

1. You think that maybe they came to the USA because they ARE dirty Capitalist Pigs and not Socialist Euro trash?

2. But I am worried about the Obama crowd...if Bush was driving the bus off the cliff, Obama traded the bus in for a Bugatti Veyron.

3. True.

[houndawg]

1) I've got a family from Sicily running an Italian ristorante in my building, (mama and papa and two smoking hot daughters), the building was empty for two years and no Americans approached me about opening an Italian restaurant in it, I guess those socialist euros are more entreprenurial than the locals.

2) The country survived Bush's Decade of Miserable Failure and Pitiful Incompetence, so I'm not worried about your crowd.

3) Get over yourself, some kids are just late bloomers.

1. You think that maybe they came to the USA because they ARE dirty Capitalist Pigs and not Socialist Euro trash?

2. But I am worried about the Obama crowd...if Bush was driving the bus off the cliff, Obama traded the bus in for a Bugatti Veyron.

3. True.

1) Could be. I'd raise the rent, but his daughters are so fine that even my son who'd usually rather take a beating than work is constantly pestering me for chores to do at the building.

2) The Bugatti is much more crash worthy.

3) Kids like yt worry me. He's supposed to be preoccupied with pussy at that age.

[Baldy]

1. You think that maybe they came to the USA because they ARE dirty Capitalist Pigs and not Socialist Euro trash?

2. But I am worried about the Obama crowd...if Bush was driving the bus off the cliff, Obama traded the bus in for a Bugatti Veyron.

3. True.

1) Could be. I'd raise the rent, but his daughters are so fine that even my son who'd usually rather take a beating than work is constantly pestering me for chores to do at the building.

2) The Bugatti is much more crash worthy.

3) Kids like yt worry me. He's supposed to be preoccupied with pussy at that age.

1. If your kid needs some help doing the chores, please give me a call...I'm half Italian.

2. But at 250 MPH does it really matter?

3. I've always been preoccupied with pussy. (refer to answer #1 )

[houndawg]

1) Could be. I'd raise the rent, but his daughters are so fine that even my son who'd usually rather take a beating than work is constantly pestering me for chores to do at the building.

2) The Bugatti is much more crash worthy.

3) Kids like yt worry me. He's supposed to be preoccupied with pussy at that age.

1. If your kid needs some help doing the chores, please give me a call...I'm half Italian.

2. But at 250 MPH does it really matter?

3. I've always been preoccupied with pussy. (refer to answer #1 )

1) Nothing makes your pizza taste better than a loud argument in Italian emanating from the kitchen.

2) We'll see.

3) Me too, that's why I'm worried about yt; he's late getting out of the blocks.

[bandl]

and no this is not an Obama-bashing thread sorry Nat-o

Some of you may be aware that I am currently a high school student and politically speaking brighter than most my age. Today in Biology class we were having debates over certain issues of population growth and what measures should be taken in the future in order to lessen the repercussions environmentally and in other ways. If we agreed with one concept we went to one side of the room and if we disagreed we went to another. The teacher framed one question in a poor way I believe as it was "Do you think we should limit immigration" (not illegal immigration but legal too) , when I think it should have been "In order to lessen the effects of population growth, should we limit immigration." As a result the discussion became a little more political. there are 30 people in my class, 26 went to the "agree side" and I, among 3 others, went to the "disagree side." The reasoning behind the agreeing side was horrible at best. I don't know if this is an adequate example among the political information received by the younger generation, as I'm willing to bet at least half of them think Obama is a Muslim and or the Antichrist. Anyway, I can live with political misinformation but the entitlement and superiority complex is what makes me fear for the future. keep in mind these guys will be voting in the next presidential election . the reasoning behind the belief of some was rather reasonable as it was concern over terrorists, lawbreakers, etc but overall the opinion was that immigrants come over here and "take OUR jobs" and only come over here "to make more money" (my response to that is "well duh") my peers believe "an American should open an Italian restaurant, not an Italian immigrant" (THOSE WERE THEIR EXACT WORDS ENTIRELY)

This sickens me for many reasons. For one, it shows my generation may have a bigger entitlement complex than from those past, in that they deserve a job more than someone who worked hard enough to immigrate here and give a shot at the American Dream. In addition there seems to be a superiority complex that natural born citizens are higher and more important than those who immigrated here. there also may be a racial undertone but I don't want to go there. It also shows how bad our education system is as they have no clue what they're talking about. I may be reading too much into this but either way, I'm already disappointed in my peers. Please tell me there is reason to believe in my generation again

--Youngterrier

And this is where I stopped reading. Might want to find a mirror there, oh wise one

[OL FU]

and no this is not an Obama-bashing thread sorry Nat-o

Some of you may be aware that I am currently a high school student and politically speaking brighter than most my age. Today in Biology class we were having debates over certain issues of population growth and what measures should be taken in the future in order to lessen the repercussions environmentally and in other ways. If we agreed with one concept we went to one side of the room and if we disagreed we went to another. The teacher framed one question in a poor way I believe as it was "Do you think we should limit immigration" (not illegal immigration but legal too) , when I think it should have been "In order to lessen the effects of population growth, should we limit immigration." As a result the discussion became a little more political. there are 30 people in my class, 26 went to the "agree side" and I, among 3 others, went to the "disagree side." The reasoning behind the agreeing side was horrible at best. I don't know if this is an adequate example among the political information received by the younger generation, as I'm willing to bet at least half of them think Obama is a Muslim and or the Antichrist. Anyway, I can live with political misinformation but the entitlement and superiority complex is what makes me fear for the future. keep in mind these guys will be voting in the next presidential election . the reasoning behind the belief of some was rather reasonable as it was concern over terrorists, lawbreakers, etc but overall the opinion was that immigrants come over here and "take OUR jobs" and only come over here "to make more money" (my response to that is "well duh") my peers believe "an American should open an Italian restaurant, not an Italian immigrant" (THOSE WERE THEIR EXACT WORDS ENTIRELY)

This sickens me for many reasons. For one, it shows my generation may have a bigger entitlement complex than from those past, in that they deserve a job more than someone who worked hard enough to immigrate here and give a shot at the American Dream. In addition there seems to be a superiority complex that natural born citizens are higher and more important than those who immigrated here. there also may be a racial undertone but I don't want to go there. It also shows how bad our education system is as they have no clue what they're talking about. I may be reading too much into this but either way, I'm already disappointed in my peers. Please tell me there is reason to believe in my generation again

--Youngterrier

would it make you feel better if I told you that is very similar to my high school experience 40 years ago as far as kids that have an opinion but have zero facts and practically no logic behind their opinions?





















I didn't think so

[ASUMountaineer]

and no this is not an Obama-bashing thread sorry Nat-o

This sickens me for many reasons. For one, it shows my generation may have a bigger entitlement complex than from those past, in that they deserve a job more than someone who worked hard enough to immigrate here and give a shot at the American Dream. In addition there seems to be a superiority complex that natural born citizens are higher and more important than those who immigrated here. there also may be a racial undertone but I don't want to go there. It also shows how bad our education system is as they have no clue what they're talking about. I may be reading too much into this but either way, I'm already disappointed in my peers. Please tell me there is reason to believe in my generation again

--Youngterrier

I will say, the Constitution backs this up. Only natural born citizens can be president, thus saying immigrants are inferior.

I think it will be ok. 1) they can't eff up the world much more than the Baby Boomer generation (no offence ladies--but, BB elected officials ) and 2) every generation's young is like this (as OL FU pointed out). It happens, they are likely highly immature. Things, and people, change.

[CID1990]

and no this is not an Obama-bashing thread sorry Nat-o

Some of you may be aware that I am currently a high school student and politically speaking brighter than most my age. Today in Biology class we were having debates over certain issues of population growth and what measures should be taken in the future in order to lessen the repercussions environmentally and in other ways. If we agreed with one concept we went to one side of the room and if we disagreed we went to another. The teacher framed one question in a poor way I believe as it was "Do you think we should limit immigration" (not illegal immigration but legal too) , when I think it should have been "In order to lessen the effects of population growth, should we limit immigration." As a result the discussion became a little more political. there are 30 people in my class, 26 went to the "agree side" and I, among 3 others, went to the "disagree side." The reasoning behind the agreeing side was horrible at best. I don't know if this is an adequate example among the political information received by the younger generation, as I'm willing to bet at least half of them think Obama is a Muslim and or the Antichrist. Anyway, I can live with political misinformation but the entitlement and superiority complex is what makes me fear for the future. keep in mind these guys will be voting in the next presidential election . the reasoning behind the belief of some was rather reasonable as it was concern over terrorists, lawbreakers, etc but overall the opinion was that immigrants come over here and "take OUR jobs" and only come over here "to make more money" (my response to that is "well duh") my peers believe "an American should open an Italian restaurant, not an Italian immigrant" (THOSE WERE THEIR EXACT WORDS ENTIRELY)

This sickens me for many reasons. For one, it shows my generation may have a bigger entitlement complex than from those past, in that they deserve a job more than someone who worked hard enough to immigrate here and give a shot at the American Dream. In addition there seems to be a superiority complex that natural born citizens are higher and more important than those who immigrated here. there also may be a racial undertone but I don't want to go there. It also shows how bad our education system is as they have no clue what they're talking about. I may be reading too much into this but either way, I'm already disappointed in my peers. Please tell me there is reason to believe in my generation again

--Youngterrier

Would you have been less disappointed with the 'agree' crowd if they had simply said that many immigrants these days choose to dilute the prevailing culture in America, rather than assimilate into and/or adopt it?

[89Hen]

the reasoning behind the belief of some was rather reasonable as it was concern over terrorists, lawbreakers, etc but overall the opinion was that immigrants come over here and "take OUR jobs" and only come over here "to make more money" (my response to that is "well duh") my peers believe "an American should open an Italian restaurant, not an Italian immigrant" (THOSE WERE THEIR EXACT WORDS ENTIRELY)

This sickens me for many reasons. For one, it shows my generation may have a bigger entitlement complex than from those past

All this shows is that many kids in your class probably haven't been out of South Carolina and are ignorant to the world... and that they're 17. Don't read too much into it.

[ASUG8]

YT, I'd be a little disappointed from the perspective that people have never had so much news, information, disinformation, and op-ed available to them so there's no excuse not to be up on current events if one is so inclined. Some of us went through school pre-internet, pre-CNN/Fox/24 hour news and the most current info you got was a warmed over view from Time, Newsweek, the daily newspaper (old news by today's standards), etc. All that being said, when I was 17-18 yrs old all I cared about was girls, sports, and what I was doing Friday night. You and your peers have the rest of your lives to become cynical and lose trust in the world - when/if your peers go to school they'll likely begin getting exposed to these things, become idealistic or raging liberals for 4+ yrs., get a job and realize that their political views will stabilize somewhere with some real life experience.

In other words, don't get your boxers in a bunch - 18 yr olds' votes won't dramatically impact the next election. Enjoy being 17.

[Benne]

IMO, the teacher worded it exactly as it needed to be worded. Hence the very long and thought out reply by you.

[OL FU]

IMO, the teacher worded it exactly as it needed to be worded. Hence the very long and thought out reply by you.

Agree somewhat, here is the problem with the wording of the question imho. The premise was that population growth needs to be decreased due to environmental impact. The premis should have been agreed to first considering what a decreasing population increase would do to our economy and the ability fund the government.


Would have been a much better discussion in my opinion.

[mainejeff]

The things that make me fear for the future:

1. Overpopulation.
2. Religious based laws and government.
3. Lack of individual responsibility.

[89Hen]

The things that make me fear for the future:

2. Religious based laws and government.

Can you give an example?

[JMU DJ]

The things that make me fear for the future:

2. Religious based laws and government.

Can you give an example?

Faith based initiatives

[AZGrizFan]

and no this is not an Obama-bashing thread sorry Nat-o

This sickens me for many reasons. For one, it shows my generation may have a bigger entitlement complex than from those past, in that they deserve a job more than someone who worked hard enough to immigrate here and give a shot at the American Dream. In addition there seems to be a superiority complex that natural born citizens are higher and more important than those who immigrated here. there also may be a racial undertone but I don't want to go there. It also shows how bad our education system is as they have no clue what they're talking about. I may be reading too much into this but either way, I'm already disappointed in my peers. Please tell me there is reason to believe in my generation again

--Youngterrier

I will say, the Constitution backs this up. Only natural born citizens can be president, thus saying immigrants are inferior.

I think it will be ok. 1) they can't eff up the world much more than the Baby Boomer generation (no offence ladies--but, BB elected officials ) and 2) every generation's young is like this (as OL FU pointed out). It happens, they are likely highly immature. Things, and people, change.

May I point out that the first three dimwits the "X and Y generation" elected presidents are Clinton, Bush II and Obama. NOT a very promising start.

[ASUG8]

I will say, the Constitution backs this up. Only natural born citizens can be president, thus saying immigrants are inferior.

I think it will be ok. 1) they can't eff up the world much more than the Baby Boomer generation (no offence ladies--but, BB elected officials ) and 2) every generation's young is like this (as OL FU pointed out). It happens, they are likely highly immature. Things, and people, change.

May I point out that the first three dimwits the "X and Y generation" elected presidents are Clinton, Bush II and Obama. NOT a very promising start.

....and very nearly Gore and Kerry. I don't know if there was a good choice out there for anyone aside from moving to Canada.

[AZGrizFan]

May I point out that the first three dimwits the "X and Y generation" elected presidents are Clinton, Bush II and Obama. NOT a very promising start.

....and very nearly Gore and Kerry. I don't know if there was a good choice out there for anyone aside from moving to Canada.

True, but to imply that we had so much better choices years ago and simply chose not to take them is naive at best. Anyway, Mountaineer is a fucker and he knows it.

[clenz]

I will say, the Constitution backs this up. Only natural born citizens can be president, thus saying immigrants are inferior.

I think it will be ok. 1) they can't eff up the world much more than the Baby Boomer generation (no offence ladies--but, BB elected officials ) and 2) every generation's young is like this (as OL FU pointed out). It happens, they are likely highly immature. Things, and people, change.

May I point out that the first three dimwits the "X and Y generation" elected presidents are Clinton, Bush II and Obama. NOT a very promising start.

My question is how can Generation X be considered 1966-1976, but Generation Y be 1977-1994. Seems like big fucking jump in age there. I don't know how someone born in 1977 would be able to really related with those born in 1994. Hell, I was born in 1988 and I seem to have more in common with those born in 1977 than I do with those born in 1994