Socialist Party USA says Obama isn't one of them

[Ibanez]

But Wharton, co-chair of the Socialist Party USA, sees no reason to celebrate. He's seen people with bumper stickers and placards that call Obama a socialist, and he has a message for them: Obama isn't a socialist. He's not even a liberal.

No shit.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/14/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Col Hogan]

They don't want to assist in the outing of one of their own...

[Chizzang]

Ron Paul:

"The question has been raised about whether or not our president is a socialist," Paul said. "I am sure there are some people here who believe it. But in the technical sense, in the economic definition of a what a socialist is, no, he's not a socialist." "He's a corporatist," Paul continued. "And unfortunately we have corporatists inside the Republican party and that means you take care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country."

[JMU DJ]

Ron Paul:

"The question has been raised about whether or not our president is a socialist," Paul said. "I am sure there are some people here who believe it. But in the technical sense, in the economic definition of a what a socialist is, no, he's not a socialist." "He's a corporatist," Paul continued. "And unfortunately we have corporatists inside the Republican party and that means you take care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country."

Why is this man so smart (not you Cleets), yet so few even know who he is (I'm sure most in this forum do, but outside of us brainiacs)? I guess it's because he's not a "Maveric" or a "Great Orator." We should just have Randy Jackson and Simon Cowell create a TV show to elect our president. The candidates wouldn't have to raise money to get their name and ideals out there, all profits from commercials could be federal dollars, and the format would be very similar to current election process... a popularity contest not based on substance.

[ASUMountaineer]

Ron Paul:

"The question has been raised about whether or not our president is a socialist," Paul said. "I am sure there are some people here who believe it. But in the technical sense, in the economic definition of a what a socialist is, no, he's not a socialist." "He's a corporatist," Paul continued. "And unfortunately we have corporatists inside the Republican party and that means you take care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country."

Why is this man so smart (not you Cleets), yet so few even know who he is (I'm sure most in this forum do, but outside of us brainiacs)? I guess it's because he's not a "Maveric" or a "Great Orator." We should just have Randy Jackson and Simon Cowell create a TV show to elect our president. The candidates wouldn't have to raise money to get their name and ideals out there, all profits from commercials could be federal dollars, and the format would be very similar to current election process... a popularity contest not based on substance.

My guess is, a large segment of the population is not concerned with logic and reason. Combine that with what you mentioned above, and it's a sad state of affairs.

[Ibanez]

Ron Paul:

"The question has been raised about whether or not our president is a socialist," Paul said. "I am sure there are some people here who believe it. But in the technical sense, in the economic definition of a what a socialist is, no, he's not a socialist." "He's a corporatist," Paul continued. "And unfortunately we have corporatists inside the Republican party and that means you take care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country."

Why is this man so smart (not you Cleets), yet so few even know who he is (I'm sure most in this forum do, but outside of us brainiacs)? I guess it's because he's not a "Maveric" or a "Great Orator." We should just have Randy Jackson and Simon Cowell create a TV show to elect our president. The candidates wouldn't have to raise money to get their name and ideals out there, all profits from commercials could be federal dollars, and the format would be very similar to current election process... a popularity contest not based on substance.

Quit talking crazy.


I agree, Ron Paul is what we need.

[kalm]

Yeah, but what do the Marxist, stalinist, or communist parties think?

[danefan]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... on_paul_41" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of likely voters finds Obama with 42% support and Paul with 41% of the vote. Eleven percent (11%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Too bad the Republicans will never let it happen.

[ASUMountaineer]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... on_paul_41

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of likely voters finds Obama with 42% support and Paul with 41% of the vote. Eleven percent (11%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Too bad the Republicans will never let it happen.

They won't let it happen, but I'm surprised by those numbers (even though I'm a Paul supporter). I wonder if there are any other surveys showing similar results.

[Baldy]

But Wharton, co-chair of the Socialist Party USA, sees no reason to celebrate. He's seen people with bumper stickers and placards that call Obama a socialist, and he has a message for them: Obama isn't a socialist. He's not even a liberal.

No ****.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/14/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Various quotes from articles on the Communist Party USA website regarding Obama:

“What we do is vitally important…we must support Obama”

“Now is the time to roll up our sleeves and get to work. There is legislation to be drafted, there is organizing to be done. Obama can’t do it by himself. “

"President-elect Barack Obama.

Those words ring with meaning. For organized labor they ring with pride, hope, and energy for the struggles ahead. No one feels like labors candidate won, so now we can go home and rest. Rather, as congratulation messages pour in from all parts of the labor movement, the critical subtext is, we are ready and eager to march with you for change. At the top of labors change agenda is boots-on-the-ground support for the Obama agenda of a new New Deal for economic recovery and passage of the Employee Free Choice Act."

“We are in full support of every effort by the Obama administration for relief of the people’s problems”

"Barack Obama was in terms of the domestic issues that he ran on, his background in Illinois politics, a liberal-labor Democrat running on the most progressive domestic platform since Lyndon Johnson ran on a Great Society program in 1964.”

"If Obama’s candidacy represented nothing more than the spark for this profound initiative to unite the working class and defeat the pernicious influence of racism, it would be a transformative candidacy that would advance progressive politics for the long term.
The struggle to defeat the ultra-right and turn our country on a positive path will not end with Obama’s election. But that step will shift the ground for successful struggles going forward.
One thing is clear. None of the people’s struggles — from peace to universal health care to an economy that puts Main Street before Wall Street — will advance if McCain wins in November."

“There is no question that support for Obama’s election was, without question, the correct decision for all the reasons given before and during the campaign.”

“The broad left and even left liberals, are attacking the Obama administration from the left, disparaging it on virtually everything. Here everyone should take a breath and remember another famous comment from Lenin—the most important virtue of a revolutionary is patience.”

“While the Obama administration is not above criticism … that criticism should be constructive and unifying”

“We’re part of building social movements especially at the grassroots, the organizations of the working class and core forces and bringing them to leadership at every level. We’re part of building unity of the all people’s coalition, which elected Obama”

“Last night’s State of the Union address by President Obama was a virtuoso performance.”

"Of course, Obama addressed this head on with a speech that was both courageous and brilliant. Never before have we heard such a speech from a political figure who is so close to becoming the next resident of the White House."

[Benne]

But Wharton, co-chair of the Socialist Party USA, sees no reason to celebrate. He's seen people with bumper stickers and placards that call Obama a socialist, and he has a message for them: Obama isn't a socialist. He's not even a liberal.

No ****.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/14/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Various quotes from articles on the Communist Party USA website regarding Obama:

“What we do is vitally important…we must support Obama”

“Now is the time to roll up our sleeves and get to work. There is legislation to be drafted, there is organizing to be done. Obama can’t do it by himself. “

"President-elect Barack Obama.

Those words ring with meaning. For organized labor they ring with pride, hope, and energy for the struggles ahead. No one feels like labors candidate won, so now we can go home and rest. Rather, as congratulation messages pour in from all parts of the labor movement, the critical subtext is, we are ready and eager to march with you for change. At the top of labors change agenda is boots-on-the-ground support for the Obama agenda of a new New Deal for economic recovery and passage of the Employee Free Choice Act."

“We are in full support of every effort by the Obama administration for relief of the people’s problems”

"Barack Obama was in terms of the domestic issues that he ran on, his background in Illinois politics, a liberal-labor Democrat running on the most progressive domestic platform since Lyndon Johnson ran on a Great Society program in 1964.”

"If Obama’s candidacy represented nothing more than the spark for this profound initiative to unite the working class and defeat the pernicious influence of racism, it would be a transformative candidacy that would advance progressive politics for the long term.
The struggle to defeat the ultra-right and turn our country on a positive path will not end with Obama’s election. But that step will shift the ground for successful struggles going forward.
One thing is clear. None of the people’s struggles — from peace to universal health care to an economy that puts Main Street before Wall Street — will advance if McCain wins in November."

“There is no question that support for Obama’s election was, without question, the correct decision for all the reasons given before and during the campaign.”

“The broad left and even left liberals, are attacking the Obama administration from the left, disparaging it on virtually everything. Here everyone should take a breath and remember another famous comment from Lenin—the most important virtue of a revolutionary is patience.”

“While the Obama administration is not above criticism … that criticism should be constructive and unifying”

“We’re part of building social movements especially at the grassroots, the organizations of the working class and core forces and bringing them to leadership at every level. We’re part of building unity of the all people’s coalition, which elected Obama”

“Last night’s State of the Union address by President Obama was a virtuoso performance.”

"Of course, Obama addressed this head on with a speech that was both courageous and brilliant. Never before have we heard such a speech from a political figure who is so close to becoming the next resident of the White House."

So the Communist Party supports him so he must be a socialist? I'm not following your logic here. I'm sure the skinheads dropped their vote for McCain, but I'm not ready to call him a racist.

[Pwns]

Ron Paul:

"The question has been raised about whether or not our president is a socialist," Paul said. "I am sure there are some people here who believe it. But in the technical sense, in the economic definition of a what a socialist is, no, he's not a socialist." "He's a corporatist," Paul continued. "And unfortunately we have corporatists inside the Republican party and that means you take care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country."

Yeah, pretty much a left-wing version of Shrub and the gang. Ron Paul hits another one out of the park.

By the way...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... on_paul_41" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ibanez]

I saw Lewis Black last Saturday night and he said, 'Obama isn't a Socialist. I should know, because I am one. There are 6 of us, and i've never seen him at a meeting."

[Ibanez]

But Wharton, co-chair of the Socialist Party USA, sees no reason to celebrate. He's seen people with bumper stickers and placards that call Obama a socialist, and he has a message for them: Obama isn't a socialist. He's not even a liberal.

No ****.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/14/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Various quotes from articles on the Communist Party USA website regarding Obama:

“What we do is vitally important…we must support Obama”

“Now is the time to roll up our sleeves and get to work. There is legislation to be drafted, there is organizing to be done. Obama can’t do it by himself. “

"President-elect Barack Obama.

Those words ring with meaning. For organized labor they ring with pride, hope, and energy for the struggles ahead. No one feels like labors candidate won, so now we can go home and rest. Rather, as congratulation messages pour in from all parts of the labor movement, the critical subtext is, we are ready and eager to march with you for change. At the top of labors change agenda is boots-on-the-ground support for the Obama agenda of a new New Deal for economic recovery and passage of the Employee Free Choice Act."

“We are in full support of every effort by the Obama administration for relief of the people’s problems”

"Barack Obama was in terms of the domestic issues that he ran on, his background in Illinois politics, a liberal-labor Democrat running on the most progressive domestic platform since Lyndon Johnson ran on a Great Society program in 1964.”

"If Obama’s candidacy represented nothing more than the spark for this profound initiative to unite the working class and defeat the pernicious influence of racism, it would be a transformative candidacy that would advance progressive politics for the long term.
The struggle to defeat the ultra-right and turn our country on a positive path will not end with Obama’s election. But that step will shift the ground for successful struggles going forward.
One thing is clear. None of the people’s struggles — from peace to universal health care to an economy that puts Main Street before Wall Street — will advance if McCain wins in November."

“There is no question that support for Obama’s election was, without question, the correct decision for all the reasons given before and during the campaign.”

“The broad left and even left liberals, are attacking the Obama administration from the left, disparaging it on virtually everything. Here everyone should take a breath and remember another famous comment from Lenin—the most important virtue of a revolutionary is patience.”

“While the Obama administration is not above criticism … that criticism should be constructive and unifying”

“We’re part of building social movements especially at the grassroots, the organizations of the working class and core forces and bringing them to leadership at every level. We’re part of building unity of the all people’s coalition, which elected Obama”

“Last night’s State of the Union address by President Obama was a virtuoso performance.”

"Of course, Obama addressed this head on with a speech that was both courageous and brilliant. Never before have we heard such a speech from a political figure who is so close to becoming the next resident of the White House."

A communist isn't necessarily a socialist.

Both socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly, and controlled and planned by a centralized organization. Socialism asserts that the distribution should take place according to the amount of individuals' production efforts, however, while communism asserts that that goods and services should be distributed among the populace according to individuals' needs.

Another difference between socialism and communismc is that communists assert that both capitalism and private ownership of the means of production must be done away with as soon as possible in order to make sure a classless society, the communist ideal, is formed. Socialists, however, see capitalism as a possible part of the ideal state and believe that socialism can exist in a capitalist society. In fact, one of the ideas of socialism is that everyone within the society will benefit from capitalism as much as possible as long as the capitalism is controlled somehow by a centralized planning system.

[Ibanez]

Baldy,
Are you saying he's more a communist than a socialist? I know you are aware that a communist and socialist are different, hence the different parties, structure, ideas, etc..

[kalm]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... on_paul_41



Too bad the Republicans will never let it happen.

They won't let it happen, but I'm surprised by those numbers (even though I'm a Paul supporter). I wonder if there are any other surveys showing similar results.

Goldman Sachs won't let it happen.

He might not get support from the party but Republican voters and independents would support him well. I know I could look past his social conservatism.

[Baldy]

So the Communist Party supports him so he must be a socialist? I'm not following your logic here. I'm sure the skinheads dropped their vote for McCain, but I'm not ready to call him a racist.

The logic is rather simple and easy to follow.
Maybe some skinheads did vote for McCain, but I very seriously doubt you will go to one of their websites and read quotes like:

“What we do is vitally important…we must support McCain”

or

“Now is the time to roll up our sleeves and get to work. There is legislation to be drafted, there is organizing to be done. McCain can’t do it by himself. “

or

“We are in full support of every effort by the McCain administration for relief of the people’s problems”

Then again, maybe I'm wrong and the skinheads were pissin' themselves over McCain and hit the campaign trail very hard for him.

[Benne]

So the Communist Party supports him so he must be a socialist? I'm not following your logic here. I'm sure the skinheads dropped their vote for McCain, but I'm not ready to call him a racist.

The logic is rather simple and easy to follow.
Maybe some skinheads did vote for McCain, but I very seriously doubt you will go to one of their websites and read quotes like:

“What we do is vitally important…we must support McCain”

or

“Now is the time to roll up our sleeves and get to work. There is legislation to be drafted, there is organizing to be done. McCain can’t do it by himself. “

or

“We are in full support of every effort by the McCain administration for relief of the people’s problems”

Then again, maybe I'm wrong and the skinheads were pissin' themselves over McCain and hit the campaign trail very hard for him.

So I'm still waiting for you to explain how their support makes him a communist. I get that they're communists and belong to the communist party. What you are doing is blurring the line of what they support and what President Obama is doing. You are also blurring the lines between Communism and Socialism, both of which I reject, but I'm not naive enough to think they are the same thing. Others maybe, which I believe is the ultimate goal is to keep people uninformed about what they are. Just lump them and keep people stupid. So which is he a Communist, or a Socialist? I believe neither, but it sure is easy to give him a scarry name and hope it sticks.

[CitadelGrad]

Obama is a statist.

[Baldy]

So I'm still waiting for you to explain how their support makes him a communist. I get that they're communists and belong to the communist party. What you are doing is blurring the line of what they support and what President Obama is doing. You are also blurring the lines between Communism and Socialism, both of which I reject, but I'm not naive enough to think they are the same thing. Others maybe, which I believe is the ultimate goal is to keep people uninformed about what they are. Just lump them and keep people stupid. So which is he a Communist, or a Socialist? I believe neither, but it sure is easy to give him a scarry name and hope it sticks.

Ummm, I never said he was a Communist. To the reasonable person there is no denying that he shares many of the same values, or are you going to stick your head in the sand about that also?

[Benne]

So I'm still waiting for you to explain how their support makes him a communist. I get that they're communists and belong to the communist party. What you are doing is blurring the line of what they support and what President Obama is doing. You are also blurring the lines between Communism and Socialism, both of which I reject, but I'm not naive enough to think they are the same thing. Others maybe, which I believe is the ultimate goal is to keep people uninformed about what they are. Just lump them and keep people stupid. So which is he a Communist, or a Socialist? I believe neither, but it sure is easy to give him a scarry name and hope it sticks.

Ummm, I never said he was a Communist. To the reasonable person there is no denying that he shares many of the same values, or are you going to stick your head in the sand about that also?

That's absurd! Why even bring up what the Communists think if he isn't a Communist? How is me saying he's not a communist sticking my head in the sand? I hope your all-or-nothing approach is working out for you.

[native]

Ron Paul:

"The question has been raised about whether or not our president is a socialist," Paul said. "I am sure there are some people here who believe it. But in the technical sense, in the economic definition of a what a socialist is, no, he's not a socialist." "He's a corporatist," Paul continued. "And unfortunately we have corporatists inside the Republican party and that means you take care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country."

Why is this man so smart (not you Cleets), yet so few even know who he is (I'm sure most in this forum do, but outside of us brainiacs)? I guess it's because he's not a "Maveric" or a "Great Orator." We should just have Randy Jackson and Simon Cowell create a TV show to elect our president. The candidates wouldn't have to raise money to get their name and ideals out there, all profits from commercials could be federal dollars, and the format would be very similar to current election process... a popularity contest not based on substance.

[JMU DJ]

Why is this man so smart (not you Cleets), yet so few even know who he is (I'm sure most in this forum do, but outside of us brainiacs)? I guess it's because he's not a "Maveric" or a "Great Orator." We should just have Randy Jackson and Simon Cowell create a TV show to elect our president. The candidates wouldn't have to raise money to get their name and ideals out there, all profits from commercials could be federal dollars, and the format would be very similar to current election process... a popularity contest not based on substance.

I don't know what this is supposed to be?

Native = Kramer

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[native]

I don't know what this is supposed to be? ...

I agree with your post!
I honor you for making the post.
The Simon Cowell suggestion is funny!
It's really fvcking funny!
It's also kinda true...
Wait a minute...
That's fvcked up!
...and sad!
...tragic, in fact!
It pisses me off that we are that stupid!

[ASUMountaineer]

They won't let it happen, but I'm surprised by those numbers (even though I'm a Paul supporter). I wonder if there are any other surveys showing similar results.

Goldman Sachs won't let it happen.

He might not get support from the party but Republican voters and independents would support him well. I know I could look past his social conservatism.

See, there is common ground--Ron Paul.