Atta BABY ARIZONA!!!!!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Then the Pima county Sheriff needs to be fired for NOT doing his job.

This is the law and it will be followed why is every all for illegals breaking the law and us not enforcing it.

This whole media blitz is so telling. 70% of the people in this country agree with this law and they want to make it sound like less.

There are not 2 sides to this, either you agree with the rule of law and support enforcing our laws or your wrong. This is an illegal activity that the federal government wont deal with so the state of Arizona is doing what they should by representing the peoples wishes.

These boycotts will not amount to anything, I predict Arizonas economy has a better year this year because of this.

[danefan]

Then the Pima county Sheriff needs to be fired for NOT doing his job.

This is the law and it will be followed why is every all for illegals breaking the law and us not enforcing it.

This whole media blitz is so telling. 70% of the people in this country agree with this law and they want to make it sound like less.

There are not 2 sides to this, either you agree with the rule of law and support enforcing our laws or your wrong. This is an illegal activity that the federal government wont deal with so the state of Arizona is doing what they should by representing the peoples wishes.

These boycotts will not amount to anything, I predict Arizonas economy has a better year this year because of this.

I tend to agree with you that law enforcement in Arizona should enforce this law until its been proven unconsitutional.

There is of course discretion, but blatantly disregarding a law because you don't agree with it isn't the appropriate response. Now if they don't have the resources to enforce it, then that's a different story. I have a feeling that Arizona law enforcemnt doesn't have the resources to enforce this, just like the Feds haven't allocated the propoer resources to enforce the Federal law.

[AZGrizFan]

lol.

there was a great article on azcentral.com this a.m., but apparently the Feds have gotten to them and shut the site down.

[danefan]

lol.

there was a great article on azcentral.com this a.m., but apparently the Feds have gotten to them and shut the site down.

What was it about?

[AZGrizFan]

Then the Pima county Sheriff needs to be fired for NOT doing his job.

This is the law and it will be followed why is every all for illegals breaking the law and us not enforcing it.

This whole media blitz is so telling. 70% of the people in this country agree with this law and they want to make it sound like less.

There are not 2 sides to this, either you agree with the rule of law and support enforcing our laws or your wrong. This is an illegal activity that the federal government wont deal with so the state of Arizona is doing what they should by representing the peoples wishes.

These boycotts will not amount to anything, I predict Arizonas economy has a better year this year because of this.

I tend to agree with you that law enforcement in Arizona should enforce this law until its been proven unconsitutional.

There is of course discretion, but blatantly disregarding a law because you don't agree with it isn't the appropriate response. Now if they don't have the resources to enforce it, then that's a different story. I have a feeling that Arizona law enforcemnt doesn't have the resources to enforce this, just like the Feds haven't allocated the propoer resources to enforce the Federal law.

Why not? The Feds have been blatantly ignoring their OWN law for YEARS....

[danefan]

I tend to agree with you that law enforcement in Arizona should enforce this law until its been proven unconsitutional.

There is of course discretion, but blatantly disregarding a law because you don't agree with it isn't the appropriate response. Now if they don't have the resources to enforce it, then that's a different story. I have a feeling that Arizona law enforcemnt doesn't have the resources to enforce this, just like the Feds haven't allocated the propoer resources to enforce the Federal law.

Why not? The Feds have been blatantly ignoring their OWN law for YEARS....

Yup and they shouldn't be doing that either. Two wrongs don't make a right. You forget, not everyone who thinks this AZ law is misguided believes the Feds are in the right either.

[AZGrizFan]

Why not? The Feds have been blatantly ignoring their OWN law for YEARS....

Yup and they shouldn't be doing that either. Two wrongs don't make a right. You forget, not everyone who thinks this AZ law is misguided believes the Feds are in the right either.

The only "wrong" I see here is yet another unfunded mandate.

[danefan]

Yup and they shouldn't be doing that either. Two wrongs don't make a right. You forget, not everyone who thinks this AZ law is misguided believes the Feds are in the right either.

The only "wrong" I see here is yet another unfunded mandate.

I guess if you ignore the fact that the AZ law is unconstitutional, then yes, that is the only wrong.

[AZGrizFan]

The only "wrong" I see here is yet another unfunded mandate.

I guess if you ignore the fact that the AZ law is unconstitutional, then yes, that is the only wrong.

It's not unconstitutional until it's proven unconstitutional.

[danefan]

I guess if you ignore the fact that the AZ law is unconstitutional, then yes, that is the only wrong.

It's not unconstitutional until it's proven unconstitutional.

That is true and that's why the local law enforcement should be enforcing it to the extent of their resources.

[AZGrizFan]

It's not unconstitutional until it's proven unconstitutional.

That is true and that's why the local law enforcement should be enforcing it to the extent of their resources.

[AZGrizFan]

lol.

there was a great article on azcentral.com this a.m., but apparently the Feds have gotten to them and shut the site down.

What was it about?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ ... izona.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Adriana Miranda leaned against the door frame and started to sob.

Her husband hasn't found steady work in a year. Then, on Friday, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed the tough anti-illegal-immigration law that will allow police to arrest illegal immigrants like her. It was the last straw. After seven years in Arizona, the family was moving. "Yesterday, we sold our trailer," Miranda, 38, said between sobs. "We don't know exactly where. Another state."

Miranda is not alone. More than 100,000 undocumented immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years because of the bad economy and earlier enforcement crackdowns. Now, a new wave of Latinos is preparing to leave.

SEVEN FUCKING YEARS IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

But there's no problem here....nothing to see....move along....

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

What exactly is unconstitutional about this law?


Illegals do not get protection under our Constitution because they are not citizens of the United States therefore the United States Constitution does nothing for them so I fail to see the connection.

Hell its even in the name of the document.

[UCABEAR]

Please list all of them.

Thank You,

Sincerely

Us

Prop 102, Prop 8, anti-gay adoption laws in Arkansas and Florida.

Pull your head outta your **** ass. If you don't understand that I have less civil rights than you, then you are a **** moron.

They have that here? Really? Wow. I had no idea that law specifically said "no gays may adopt a kid". Interesting. Guess I'll have to contact Senator Lincolm before she gets kicked out of office to change that law....

http://www.childadoptionlaws.com/child_ ... kansas.htm

[dbackjon]

Prop 102, Prop 8, anti-gay adoption laws in Arkansas and Florida.

Pull your head outta your **** ass. If you don't understand that I have less civil rights than you, then you are a **** moron.

They have that here? Really? Wow. I had no idea that law specifically said "no gays may adopt a kid". Interesting. Guess I'll have to contact Senator Lincolm before she gets kicked out of office to change that law....

http://www.childadoptionlaws.com/child_ ... kansas.htm

You must not vote...

[Baldy]

Pima County Sheriff (Tucson) will not enforce it.

Groups boycotting Arizona - conventions being cancelled

Yes and people are boycotting AriZona Beverage Co. products, too. The only problem, the company is based in New York.

Fuggin' "progressives" are such idiots.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financia ... C8V2G0.htm

[Grizalltheway]

What exactly is unconstitutional about this law?


Illegals do not get protection under our Constitution because they are not citizens of the United States therefore the United States Constitution does nothing for them so I fail to see the connection.

Hell its even in the name of the document.

You really believe that cops aren't going to end up stopping Hispanics that ARE citizens?

[danefan]

What exactly is unconstitutional about this law?


Illegals do not get protection under our Constitution because they are not citizens of the United States therefore the United States Constitution does nothing for them so I fail to see the connection.

Hell its even in the name of the document.

Please read my posts on the earlier pages.. The enoforcement of it It may end up unconstitutional as well, but that's not why its unconstitutional on its face.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

What exactly is unconstitutional about this law?


Illegals do not get protection under our Constitution because they are not citizens of the United States therefore the United States Constitution does nothing for them so I fail to see the connection.

Hell its even in the name of the document.

You really believe that cops aren't going to end up stopping Hispanics that ARE citizens?

Of course they are, but they will be stopping them for another reasons than targeting them for being here illegally. See if you actually read the bill you will be ahead of Obama not that its hard to do that.

[danefan]

You really believe that cops aren't going to end up stopping Hispanics that ARE citizens?

Of course they are, but they will be stopping them for another reasons than targeting them for being here illegally. See if you actually read the bill you will be ahead of Obama not that its hard to do that.

Did you actually read the bill?

Requires officials and agencies to reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person involved in a lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.

That means stop anyone who looks like they could be an illegal immigrant doesn't it? In other words....anyone with brown skin?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Of course they are, but they will be stopping them for another reasons than targeting them for being here illegally. See if you actually read the bill you will be ahead of Obama not that its hard to do that.

Did you actually read the bill?

Requires officials and agencies to reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person involved in a lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.

That means stop anyone who looks like they could be an illegal immigrant doesn't it? In other words....anyone with brown skin?

That's an interpretation on your part and not a very well thought out one which is surprising. I would think reasonably attempt to determine would point more to guys standing around outside Home Depots & maybe a truckload of day workers. I would bet that officers have a much clearer vision of what an ILLEGAL immigrant is gonna do and look like in comparison to the many legal immigrants in AZ.

[danefan]

Did you actually read the bill?



That means stop anyone who looks like they could be an illegal immigrant doesn't it? In other words....anyone with brown skin?

That's an interpretation on your part and not a very well thought out one which is surprising. I would think reasonably attempt to determine would point more to guys standing around outside Home Depots & maybe a truckload of day workers. I would bet that officers have a much clearer vision of what an ILLEGAL immigrant is gonna do and look like in comparison to the many legal immigrants in AZ.

I think you're referring to the brown skin comment righrt?

Is that comment an over simplification? Sure it is. But the potential for that very reasoning is so high here.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

That's an interpretation on your part and not a very well thought out one which is surprising. I would think reasonably attempt to determine would point more to guys standing around outside Home Depots & maybe a truckload of day workers. I would bet that officers have a much clearer vision of what an ILLEGAL immigrant is gonna do and look like in comparison to the many legal immigrants in AZ.

I think you're referring to the brown skin comment righrt?

Is that comment an over simplification? Sure it is. But the potential for that very reasoning is so high here.

I'm looking at in the intent not the potential for abuse. There will be way too much scrutiny for the potential you suggest to be standard operating procedure.

Mexicans are wonderful people and hard working SOB's. Been around many of them in my youth when the migrant workers would flood E. Montana during harvests. I like those kinds of programs but there are laws that need to be enforced. At some point if cops quit giving out tickets for speeding then we would all just disregard them and do whatever we wanted...even though the laws are still on the books. AZ is trying to force the governments hand to be accountable for their responsibilities and I just ain't buying the oversimplification that this is gonna be Nazi Germany and all brown people are gonna be stopped and forced to show their papers. There are way easier targets for AZ to make their stand on.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Of course they are, but they will be stopping them for another reasons than targeting them for being here illegally. See if you actually read the bill you will be ahead of Obama not that its hard to do that.

Did you actually read the bill?

Requires officials and agencies to reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person involved in a lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.

That means stop anyone who looks like they could be an illegal immigrant doesn't it? In other words....anyone with brown skin?

Not to me it doesnt.

And yes I read everything I could find on this including the bill

[danefan]

I think you're referring to the brown skin comment righrt?

Is that comment an over simplification? Sure it is. But the potential for that very reasoning is so high here.

I'm looking at in the intent not the potential for abuse. There will be way too much scrutiny for the potential you suggest to be standard operating procedure.

Mexicans are wonderful people and hard working SOB's. Been around many of them in my youth when the migrant workers would flood E. Montana during harvests. I like those kinds of programs but there are laws that need to be enforced. At some point if cops quit giving out tickets for speeding then we would all just disregard them and do whatever we wanted...even though the laws are still on the books. AZ is trying to force the governments hand to be accountable for their responsibilities and I just ain't buying the oversimplification that this is gonna be Nazi Germany and all brown people are gonna be stopped and forced to show their papers. There are way easier targets for AZ to make their stand on.

I hope you're right, but I fear you're not. Only time will tell.

And just so you know. I agree with your sentiments re: Mexican workers. I grew up with Mexican migrant workers in the onion fields of Pine Island, NY. The Onion capital of the US. The hardest working group of people I've ever scene.