Oil Leak more massive than originally thought

[dbackjon]

Leaking Oil Well Lacked Safeguard Device

The oil well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch used in two other major oil-producing nations as last-resort protection against underwater spills.

The lack of the device, called an acoustic switch, could amplify concerns over the environmental impact of offshore drilling after the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig, hired by oil giant BP PLC, last week.


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So, the next question is how many OTHER platforms don't have that device?

Since it is not required in the US, probably not many. Some of the drilling companies put them in, which is the right thing to do.

[grizzaholic]

Leaking Oil Well Lacked Safeguard Device

The oil well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch used in two other major oil-producing nations as last-resort protection against underwater spills.

The lack of the device, called an acoustic switch, could amplify concerns over the environmental impact of offshore drilling after the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig, hired by oil giant BP PLC, last week.


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So, the next question is how many OTHER platforms don't have that device?

Dback has been taking night classes in Oil Rig Building/Oil drilling. He is now a master and will be taking over all said projects from this point going froward.

[grizzaholic]

So, the next question is how many OTHER platforms don't have that device?

Since it is not required in the US, probably not many. Some of the drilling companies put them in, which is the right thing to do.

So it is not neglect or criminal to not have this device in place.

[AZGrizFan]

Since it is not required in the US, probably not many. Some of the drilling companies put them in, which is the right thing to do.

So it is not neglect or criminal to not have this device in place.

Well it may not be "criminal" but I'd certainly call it "neglect". It's a classic case of a business saving a few dollars because "it'll never happen to us". Probably the same logic used by the mining company in West Virginia.

[dbackjon]

Since it is not required in the US, probably not many. Some of the drilling companies put them in, which is the right thing to do.

So it is not neglect or criminal to not have this device in place.

US Oil companies lobbied to scrap this requirement. The Bush Admin overruled the Interior Department's recommendation that it be so.

Again, you are absolving BP of any responsibility...

[grizzaholic]

So it is not neglect or criminal to not have this device in place.

Well it may not be "criminal" but I'd certainly call it "neglect". It's a classic case of a business saving a few dollars because "it'll never happen to us". Probably the same logic used by the mining company in West Virginia.

What about..oh say car makers. If there was a part that was 1000 dollars to install and it would make them 100 times safer but was not required by law, and the car makers declined to install said part, would that be neglect? I think not. I am not defending them, but there has to be a point where safety and cost effectiveness intersect.

[grizzaholic]

So it is not neglect or criminal to not have this device in place.

US Oil companies lobbied to scrap this requirement. The Bush Admin overruled the Interior Department's recommendation that it be so.

Again, you are absolving BP of any responsibility...

Sometimes shit happens. For whatever reason, shit happens. You cannot blame everyone every time. They are called accidents for a reason.

[89Hen]

Sometimes shit happens. For whatever reason, shit happens. You cannot blame everyone every time. They are called accidents for a reason.

You do know you're talking to a litigious Liberal type, don't you? It's NEVER nobody's fault. There's ALWAYS somebody to sue.

[mainejeff]

No, I'm not "ok" with it. But you insinuate that BP purposely **** up the environment while you toole around town in an automobile using up the very service they're providing. Yeah, it sucks the leak happened. I'm pretty sure BP wasn't TRYING to have a rig explode and sink, or do you have intel to the contrary?

BP has been the WORST oil company (by far) recently at f*cking up.

[OSBF]

why does this thread even exist?

we've already been lectured on how oil is not a dangerous substance at all

it occurs naturally, just like asbestos and radon

[AZGrizFan]

Well it may not be "criminal" but I'd certainly call it "neglect". It's a classic case of a business saving a few dollars because "it'll never happen to us". Probably the same logic used by the mining company in West Virginia.

What about..oh say car makers. If there was a part that was 1000 dollars to install and it would make them 100 times safer but was not required by law, and the car makers declined to install said part, would that be neglect? I think not. I am not defending them, but there has to be a point where safety and cost effectiveness intersect.

You mean like, oh....say....the interlock that requires you to have your foot on the brake before you can take the car out of park? The one that Dodge didn't install until they were required to by law?

[GannonFan]

So it is not neglect or criminal to not have this device in place.

US Oil companies lobbied to scrap this requirement. The Bush Admin overruled the Interior Department's recommendation that it be so.

Again, you are absolving BP of any responsibility...

To be fair, those valves have never been used in an actual spill anywhere so it's hard to say if those valves would've prevented this release or not. Certainly would've been nice to have them so that we could find out.

[GannonFan]

No, I'm not "ok" with it. But you insinuate that BP purposely **** up the environment while you toole around town in an automobile using up the very service they're providing. Yeah, it sucks the leak happened. I'm pretty sure BP wasn't TRYING to have a rig explode and sink, or do you have intel to the contrary?

BP has been the WORST oil company (by far) recently at f*cking up.

I agree full heartedly with that. BP's been a safety nightmare now for something like 8 years. You can just google BP and safety and you have a wealth of reading material over how BP's skimped over the years, to the tune of plenty of fatalities. Not shocking to hear their name connected with this latest disaster. They actually give other oil companies bad names.

[OSBF]

nuke their ass and take their gas

simple

[grizzaholic]

Sometimes shit happens. For whatever reason, shit happens. You cannot blame everyone every time. They are called accidents for a reason.

You do know you're talking to a litigious Liberal type, don't you? It's NEVER nobody's fault. There's ALWAYS somebody to sue.

YUP!!!!! Somehow this oil spill is preventing gays from marrying......adopting.....etc.....

[Grizalltheway]

So what are you maroons going to say if BP IS found to have been negligent?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I dont care if they are or not, accidents happen. I find it funny when Obama does stuff like this on purpose so he can take over Big Oil just like GM its cumbaya from the libs they have their head in the sand.

[grizzaholic]

Sometimes shit happens. For whatever reason, shit happens. You cannot blame everyone every time. They are called accidents for a reason.

You do know you're talking to a litigious Liberal type, don't you? It's NEVER nobody's fault. There's ALWAYS somebody to sue.

Maybe they should sue your ass you fucking asshole!

[grizzaholic]

why does this thread even exist?

we've already been lectured on how oil is not a dangerous substance at all

it occurs naturally, just like asbestos and radon

It exists because dback thinks that it should. Folks that want to disagree will be silenced and their posts deleted.

[grizzaholic]

US Oil companies lobbied to scrap this requirement. The Bush Admin overruled the Interior Department's recommendation that it be so.

Again, you are absolving BP of any responsibility...

To be fair, those valves have never been used in an actual spill anywhere so it's hard to say if those valves would've prevented this release or not. Certainly would've been nice to have them so that we could find out.

Oh those valves would have completely prevented any loss of oil in this spill because dbackjon said so. HE is a real winner and compete know it all in the field of oil exploration.

[GannonFan]

I dont care if they are or not, accidents happen. I find it funny when Obama does stuff like this on purpose so he can take over Big Oil just like GM its cumbaya from the libs they have their head in the sand.

Well, technically speaking, accidents don't happen - something went wrong to cause what happened here and likely that something was preventable. Whether an operator was at fault or an engineer or the company or even the regulation, there were and are steps that could be taken to ensure that if everyone does their job right, this doesn't happen. It's not as if this scenario couldn't have been envisioned and planned for ahead of time, and if the operation was properly engineered, it should've been. Someone's at fault somewhere in the chain of things.

[grizzaholic]

I dont care if they are or not, accidents happen. I find it funny when Obama does stuff like this on purpose so he can take over Big Oil just like GM its cumbaya from the libs they have their head in the sand.

Well, technically speaking, accidents don't happen - something went wrong to cause what happened here and likely that something was preventable. Whether an operator was at fault or an engineer or the company or even the regulation, there were and are steps that could be taken to ensure that if everyone does their job right, this doesn't happen. It's not as if this scenario couldn't have been envisioned and planned for ahead of time, and if the operation was properly engineered, it should've been. Someone's at fault somewhere in the chain of things.

ok 89hen.

[GannonFan]

Well, technically speaking, accidents don't happen - something went wrong to cause what happened here and likely that something was preventable. Whether an operator was at fault or an engineer or the company or even the regulation, there were and are steps that could be taken to ensure that if everyone does their job right, this doesn't happen. It's not as if this scenario couldn't have been envisioned and planned for ahead of time, and if the operation was properly engineered, it should've been. Someone's at fault somewhere in the chain of things.

ok 89hen.

So you think it was merely an uncontrollable, unforseeable act of god or nature and gosh darnnit, these things happen? Gee, you'd be great in a manufacturing environment. I assume car accidents are unavoidable too - these things just happen.

[grizzaholic]

ok 89hen.

So you think it was merely an uncontrollable, unforseeable act of god or nature and gosh darnnit, these things happen? Gee, you'd be great in a manufacturing environment. I assume car accidents are unavoidable too - these things just happen.

It is why they call them accidents. If not.......the last car crash you got into....you did it on purpose than, right?

[GannonFan]

So you think it was merely an uncontrollable, unforseeable act of god or nature and gosh darnnit, these things happen? Gee, you'd be great in a manufacturing environment. I assume car accidents are unavoidable too - these things just happen.

It is why they call them accidents. If not.......the last car crash you got into....you did it on purpose than, right?

Well, why does the police officer assign at least one person in every crash as "at fault"? They may call them accidents, but that's a misnomer - someone screwed up and caused the crash. Cars don't go out of control on their own (and if they do, if the Toyoya saga is to be believed, then the guy making or designing the car screwed up). There is always a root cause and it isn't just "shit happens".