Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:danefan wrote:
I think you're referring to the brown skin comment righrt?
Is that comment an over simplification? Sure it is. But the potential for that very reasoning is so high here.
I'm looking at in the intent not the potential for abuse. There will be way too much scrutiny for the potential you suggest to be standard operating procedure.
Mexicans are wonderful people and hard working SOB's. Been around many of them in my youth when the migrant workers would flood E. Montana during harvests. I like those kinds of programs but there are laws that need to be enforced. At some point if cops quit giving out tickets for speeding then we would all just disregard them and do whatever we wanted...even though the laws are still on the books. AZ is trying to force the governments hand to be accountable for their responsibilities and I just ain't buying the oversimplification that this is gonna be Nazi Germany and all brown people are gonna be stopped and forced to show their papers. There are way easier targets for AZ to make their stand on.
You are right on target in so many ways, Brother Bear!
The majority of the Mexican cowboys I grew up with and worked with for ten years on a ranch were extremely hard working, honest and decent people. There were only 2-3 exceptions among more than two dozen of the finest folks you would ever care to meet or work with (unless you are lazy). Same with the caucasian cowboys, except that there may have been 4-5 exceptions over the same period of time. These were not people I merely observed from a distance. These were people with whom I worked cattle, built fence, hauled hay, shared food, traded stories, sang songs and played cards, day to day, every summer and on the weekends until I went to college.
I did not understand much about labor law, immigration law, tax law or the like as a kid. In hindsight most of these cowboys were seasonal workers who worked and saved money and then went home to be with their families. A few were family minded men who probably obtained citizenship under the Simpson Mazzoli amnesty of 1986. Except for breaking immmigration laew, they were the salt of the earth!
Unfortunately in most instances, however, these were not the same people I later coached and refereed in club and public school soccer, and with whom my kids went to school in the nineties in both northern and southern California. While a few of these kids were salt of the earth types just like the Mexicans I knew from before, the majority were somewhat lazy and indifferent underachievers with a chip on their shoulder. Many of these were probably first generation anchor babies. A significant number were hostile, belligerent, troublemakers who prided themselves in anti-social behavior and gang affiliation, whether wannabee or not.
There are many difference between then and now, Mexifornia's gross failure to uphold the law chief among them.
All the Arizona law does is attempt to establish uniform and consistent law enforcement across the state including the lawless border areas where the border patrol chooses not to enforce the law and the sanctuary cities where public officials turn a blind eye to illegal immigration and refuse to cooperate with ICE. The Arizona law is 100% supportive of and consistent with federal law. It is modeled on the highly successful federal 287g program which already does the same things in selected localities across the nation. Depite the race-baiting hysteria from the left and from the racist pro-illegal alien lobby, there have been zero validated cases of racial profiling in the 287g program.
