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More PC idiocy.

Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/23495797/detail.html
PORT WENTWORTH, Ga. -- Preston Blackwelder proudly showed off a painting of his grandmother that had hung next to the front door of his Port Wentworth home.

She was the woman who led him to God, Blackwelder said Friday.

And with that firm religious footing, Blackwelder said it would be preposterous to stop praying before meals at Port Wentworth's Ed Young Senior Citizens Center near Savannah because of a federal guideline.

"She would say pray anyway," Blackwelder said of his grandmother. "She'd say don't listen."

But Senior Citizens Inc. officials said Friday the meals they are contracted by the city to provide to Ed Young visitors are mostly covered with federal money, which ushers in the burden of separating church and state.

On Thursday, the usual open prayer before meals at the center was traded in for a moment of silence.

The dilemma is being hashed out by the Port Wentworth city attorney, said Mayor Glenn "Pig" Jones.

Tim Rutherford, Senior Citizens Inc. vice president, said some of his staff recently visited the center and noticed people praying shortly before lunch was served. Rutherford said his company provides meals like baked chicken, steak tips and rice and salads at a cost of about $6 a plate. Seniors taking the meals pay 55 cents and federal money foots the rest of the bill, Rutherford said.

"We can't scoff at their rules," he said of federal authorities. "It's a part of the operational guidelines."

Rutherford said the moment of silence was introduced to protect that funding. He said although the change may have been misinterpreted, perhaps his company could have done a better job selling it.

"It's interpreted that we're telling people that they can't pray, but we aren't saying that," he said. "We're asking them to pray to themselves. Have that moment of silence."

Mayor Jones said he was outraged by the change and has promised to find a solution.

"It was one of the hardest things I ever did as mayor is to look those people in the eyes and ask them to be patient with me and honor their God in a moment of silence until I can have a resolution to this," Jones said. "For me to look at their eyes and tell them they can't thank God for their food, it's unheard of - I can't take it."

Jones said he flirted with the idea of ending a contract the city has with Senior Citizens Inc.

"Like one lady said, 'You can stop me from speaking, but you can't stop me from praying what's in my heart,"' he said. "But the best answer right now is that we're trying to get the best information possible and legal council is looking at what would happen if we continued to pray."

Blackwelder said the center's already fragile visitors have been rattled.

"This is, in my view, an unnecessary intrusion into the private lives of individuals. It's a bad place to draw a line in the sand."
So...

...when "Meals On Wheels" drops off hundreds of thousands of meals daily to shut-ins...

...do they ask those recepients to stop praying?

Maybe they can include napkins with a pre-printed warning.

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Interesting philosophy: The FEDERAL government provides the meals, so separation of church and state applies, in their fucked up world. So THAT'S the logic behind the libs push for entitlement programs.....

We provide your paycheck (welfare)....you can't pray.
We provide your food (food stamps)....you can't pray.
We provide your healthcare....you can't pray.
We provide your retirement....you can't pray.

Using their logic there should be no praying on Navy ships or military bases, nor in any government building---ever. Yet there are churches, chapels, mosques and synagogues on just about every major military base in America.

Wasn't freedom of religion one of the tenets this country was founded on?
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AZGrizFan wrote:Interesting philosophy: The FEDERAL government provides the meals, so separation of church and state applies, in their **** up world. So THAT'S the logic behind the libs push for entitlement programs.....

We provide your paycheck (welfare)....you can't pray.
We provide your food (food stamps)....you can't pray.
We provide your healthcare....you can't pray.
We provide your retirement....you can't pray.

Using their logic there should be no praying on Navy ships or military bases, nor in any government building---ever. Yet there are churches, chapels, mosques and synagogues on just about every major military base in America.

Wasn't freedom of religion one of the tenets this country was founded on?
I went to church this past weekend...wonder if I can expect my military retirement check to be stopped... :ohno:

If the company was leading the prayer...maybe...

But private citizens...GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
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I had to pull one out and double-check to be sure, but yep, it's still there:


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I don't think this will stand. I think it's just an example of people being overly cautious. But it IS another reminder of how far our society has strayed from the original understanding of the establishment clause. Again: The early Congress was holding Christian church services in the House chamber shortly after the First Amendment was ratified. The concept of "Separation of Church and State" in place today is totally inconsistent with what those who ratified the First Amendment intended.
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JohnStOnge wrote:I don't think this will stand. I think it's just an example of people being overly cautious. But it IS another reminder of how far our society has strayed from the original understanding of the establishment clause. Again: The early Congress was holding Christian church services in the House chamber shortly after the First Amendment was ratified. The concept of "Separation of Church and State" in place today is totally inconsistent with what those who ratified the First Amendment intended.

And again, that was 200+ years ago, asshole. Lots have happened since. :ohno:
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AZGrizFan wrote:Interesting philosophy: The FEDERAL government provides the meals, so separation of church and state applies, in their fucked up world. So THAT'S the logic behind the libs push for entitlement programs.....

We provide your paycheck (welfare)....you can't pray.
We provide your food (food stamps)....you can't pray.
We provide your healthcare....you can't pray.
We provide your retirement....you can't pray.

Using their logic there should be no praying on Navy ships or military bases, nor in any government building---ever. Yet there are churches, chapels, mosques and synagogues on just about every major military base in America.

Wasn't freedom of religion one of the tenets this country was founded on?

What a dumbfuck. :ohno:
"Sarah Palin absolutely blew AWAY the audience tonight. If there was any doubt as to whether she was savvy enough, tough enough or smart enough to carry the mantle of Vice President, she put those fears to rest tonight. She took on Barack Obama DIRECTLY on every issue and exposed... She did it with warmth and humor, and came across as the every-person....it's becoming mroe and more clear that she was a genius pick for McCain."

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D1B wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:I don't think this will stand. I think it's just an example of people being overly cautious. But it IS another reminder of how far our society has strayed from the original understanding of the establishment clause. Again: The early Congress was holding Christian church services in the House chamber shortly after the First Amendment was ratified. The concept of "Separation of Church and State" in place today is totally inconsistent with what those who ratified the First Amendment intended.

And again, that was 200+ years ago, *******. Lots have happened since. :ohno:
Just checked...the Constitution is the same...so what's happened since then??? :coffee:
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travelinman67 wrote:More PC idiocy.

Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/23495797/detail.html
PORT WENTWORTH, Ga. -- Preston Blackwelder proudly showed off a painting of his grandmother that had hung next to the front door of his Port Wentworth home.

She was the woman who led him to God, Blackwelder said Friday.

And with that firm religious footing, Blackwelder said it would be preposterous to stop praying before meals at Port Wentworth's Ed Young Senior Citizens Center near Savannah because of a federal guideline.

"She would say pray anyway," Blackwelder said of his grandmother. "She'd say don't listen."

But Senior Citizens Inc. officials said Friday the meals they are contracted by the city to provide to Ed Young visitors are mostly covered with federal money, which ushers in the burden of separating church and state.

On Thursday, the usual open prayer before meals at the center was traded in for a moment of silence.

The dilemma is being hashed out by the Port Wentworth city attorney, said Mayor Glenn "Pig" Jones.

Tim Rutherford, Senior Citizens Inc. vice president, said some of his staff recently visited the center and noticed people praying shortly before lunch was served. Rutherford said his company provides meals like baked chicken, steak tips and rice and salads at a cost of about $6 a plate. Seniors taking the meals pay 55 cents and federal money foots the rest of the bill, Rutherford said.

"We can't scoff at their rules," he said of federal authorities. "It's a part of the operational guidelines."

Rutherford said the moment of silence was introduced to protect that funding. He said although the change may have been misinterpreted, perhaps his company could have done a better job selling it.

"It's interpreted that we're telling people that they can't pray, but we aren't saying that," he said. "We're asking them to pray to themselves. Have that moment of silence."

Mayor Jones said he was outraged by the change and has promised to find a solution.

"It was one of the hardest things I ever did as mayor is to look those people in the eyes and ask them to be patient with me and honor their God in a moment of silence until I can have a resolution to this," Jones said. "For me to look at their eyes and tell them they can't thank God for their food, it's unheard of - I can't take it."

Jones said he flirted with the idea of ending a contract the city has with Senior Citizens Inc.

"Like one lady said, 'You can stop me from speaking, but you can't stop me from praying what's in my heart,"' he said. "But the best answer right now is that we're trying to get the best information possible and legal council is looking at what would happen if we continued to pray."

Blackwelder said the center's already fragile visitors have been rattled.

"This is, in my view, an unnecessary intrusion into the private lives of individuals. It's a bad place to draw a line in the sand."
So...

...when "Meals On Wheels" drops off hundreds of thousands of meals daily to shut-ins...

...do they ask those recepients to stop praying?

Maybe they can include napkins with a pre-printed warning.

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No fuckhead, they can do whatever the fuck they want in their homes. Talking bout a senior center here - a publicly funded place - so NO PRAYER. :nod: :lol:

They can pray silently - jesus don't give a flying fuck you asshole. If you read the bible, the mythical jesus would actually prefer you to pray silently and not make a hypcritical spectacle. People should be praying silenty because there are others, in the room, who are not fucking christian and should not be subjected to that nonsense - it called be courteous, look it up sometime Tbag. :nod:

The rules are clear and people should know this going in. If they have a fucking problem, they should go to a private nursing home with a rec center or move to the fucking South. It's called personal accountability Tbag, look it up sometime.
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How about sacrificing a chicken? Do they have to stop that too?
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Col Hogan wrote:
D1B wrote:

And again, that was 200+ years ago, *******. Lots have happened since. :ohno:
Just checked...the Constitution is the same...so what's happened since then??? :coffee:

We've amended it countless times. Woman can vote. Slavery was abolished. Woman can have abortions. There is no prayer in public schools. There are no more christian church services in the House chamber. We have tens of millions of legal immigrants from all over the world. We put a man on the moon. We conceived and then confirmed the the theory of evolution. The catholic church abuse scandal finally saw the light of day after 2000 years of raping children and molesting boys by priests and bishops.

Let me know when to stop. :coffee:
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"Dear Lord, thank you for this bountiful meal of steak tips, and thank you for our wonderful Mayor Pig, who was willing to protect our rights to prayer, and thank you for our wonderful country where corporations can make a profit off of government subsidized food programs to people who otherwise could not afford a $6 dinner." :thumb:
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kalm wrote:"Dear Lord, thank you for this bountiful meal of steak tips, and thank you for our wonderful Mayor Pig, who was willing to protect our rights to prayer, and thank you for our wonderful country where corporations can make a profit off of government subsidized food programs to people who otherwise could not afford a $6 dinner." :thumb:

They could have afforded them, but they squandered their money, so fuck em and send them into the streets with the rest of the poor. Right Tbag and Z?....

It's called personal accountibility....
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D1B wrote:
kalm wrote:"Dear Lord, thank you for this bountiful meal of steak tips, and thank you for our wonderful Mayor Pig, who was willing to protect our rights to prayer, and thank you for our wonderful country where corporations can make a profit off of government subsidized food programs to people who otherwise could not afford a $6 dinner." :thumb:

They could have afforded them, but they squandered their money, so **** em and send them into the streets with the rest of the poor. Right Tbag and Z?....

It's called personal accountibility....
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D1B wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Just checked...the Constitution is the same...so what's happened since then??? :coffee:

We've amended it countless times. Woman can vote. Slavery was abolished. Woman can have abortions. There is no prayer in public schools. There are no more christian church services in the House chamber. We have tens of millions of legal immigrants from all over the world. We put a man on the moon. We conceived and then confirmed the the theory of evolution. The catholic church abuse scandal finally saw the light of day after 2000 years of raping children and molesting boys by priests and bishops.

Let me know when to stop. :coffee:
You babble, but don't answer the question...where has the Constitution changed regarding this subject, specifically the First Amendment?

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JohnStOnge wrote:I don't think this will stand. I think it's just an example of people being overly cautious. But it IS another reminder of how far our society has strayed from the original understanding of the establishment clause. Again: The early Congress was holding Christian church services in the House chamber shortly after the First Amendment was ratified. The concept of "Separation of Church and State" in place today is totally inconsistent with what those who ratified the First Amendment intended.
You know the phrase of "Separation of Church and State" comes from Jefferson's "wall of separation between church and state", right? It isn't from some liberal activist court ruling 30 years ago or anything.
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Col Hogan wrote:
D1B wrote:

We've amended it countless times. Woman can vote. Slavery was abolished. Woman can have abortions. There is no prayer in public schools. There are no more christian church services in the House chamber. We have tens of millions of legal immigrants from all over the world. We put a man on the moon. We conceived and then confirmed the the theory of evolution. The catholic church abuse scandal finally saw the light of day after 2000 years of raping children and molesting boys by priests and bishops.

Let me know when to stop. :coffee:
You babble, but don't answer the question...where has the Constitution changed regarding this subject, specifically the First Amendment?

I'll wait over here while you try to come up with a correct answer... :coffee:

Look at your question, Joltin Joe. Be more clear.

You said "the Constitution is the same" which it aint. Second, WE have changed. OUR country has changed, therefore our interpretation and application of this 200 year old document, including the Establishment Clause has changed, for the better. :nod:

Aint all black and white Hogan. Might be in your warped fantasy world, but things are in a constant state of change.
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D1B wrote:
kalm wrote:"Dear Lord, thank you for this bountiful meal of steak tips, and thank you for our wonderful Mayor Pig, who was willing to protect our rights to prayer, and thank you for our wonderful country where corporations can make a profit off of government subsidized food programs to people who otherwise could not afford a $6 dinner." :thumb:

They could have afforded them, but they were taxed and taxed and taxed by their government who took their life earnings to pay for social engineering programs developed by know-it-all liberal no'er do wells who felt it was their moral duty to save everyone "from themselves", and now, finding themselves broke, are subjected to freedom restrictions by that same government, so fuck em and send them into the streets with the rest of the poor.

It's called socialism....
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D1B wrote: ...it called be courteous, look it up sometime Tbag. :nod:
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D1B wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
You babble, but don't answer the question...where has the Constitution changed regarding this subject, specifically the First Amendment?

I'll wait over here while you try to come up with a correct answer... :coffee:

Look at your question, Joltin Joe. Be more clear.

You said "the Constitution is the same" which it aint. Second, WE have changed. OUR country has changed, therefore our interpretation and application of this 200 year old document, including the Establishment Clause has changed, for the better. :nod:

Aint all black and white Hogan. Might be in your warped fantasy world, but things are in a constant state of change.
The Constitution is black and white...if you count on interpretation rather than changing the black and white, what you are indanger of having is new interpretations as times change...

Why not change the Constitution so there is no need to interpret it??? If you did, I would not argue with you about things like this...

Problem with the way you do it is that those in power get to apply their interpretation...rather than simply applying the Constitution... :coffee:
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D1B wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:More PC idiocy.

Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/23495797/detail.html



So...

...when "Meals On Wheels" drops off hundreds of thousands of meals daily to shut-ins...

...do they ask those recepients to stop praying?

Maybe they can include napkins with a pre-printed warning.

:coffee:




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No ****, they can do whatever the **** they want in their homes. Talking bout a senior center here - a publicly funded place - so NO PRAYER. :nod: :lol:

They can pray silently - jesus don't give a flying **** you *******. If you read the bible, the mythical jesus would actually prefer you to pray silently and not make a hypcritical spectacle. People should be praying silenty because there are others, in the room, who are not **** christian and should not be subjected to that nonsense - it called be courteous, look it up sometime Tbag. :nod:

The rules are clear and people should know this going in. If they have a **** problem, they should go to a private nursing home with a rec center or move to the **** South. It's called personal accountability Tbag, look it up sometime.
It's good to see that you are uninformed on constitutional law too. If a bunch of seniors in a public nursing home want to pray before a meal, and to do so publicly and out loud, they have every right do so long as the prayer is voluntary and organized privately. That's basic First Amendment law.
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Re: Seniors Told To Stop Praying Before Meals

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D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Interesting philosophy: The FEDERAL government provides the meals, so separation of church and state applies, in their fucked up world. So THAT'S the logic behind the libs push for entitlement programs.....

We provide your paycheck (welfare)....you can't pray.
We provide your food (food stamps)....you can't pray.
We provide your healthcare....you can't pray.
We provide your retirement....you can't pray.

Using their logic there should be no praying on Navy ships or military bases, nor in any government building---ever. Yet there are churches, chapels, mosques and synagogues on just about every major military base in America.

Wasn't freedom of religion one of the tenets this country was founded on?

What a dumbfuck. :ohno:
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