Worry that Gulf oil spreading into major current

[ASUG8]

Just curious Jeffie - you're doing what you do best which is pull a BP/Haliburton finger pointing exhibition with no proposals attached. Just what exactly would you suggest is done to clear up the damage already done as well as future correction so that this doesn't happen again?

I'll wait, but I suspect your silence will provide your answer.

[OSBF]

trivia:

Name the "major" Illinois city with the cheapest electric rates, and who owns the power plant/distribution grid?

Jon can't play, he knows the answer.

[AZGrizFan]

Or Norway, where the Government run Oil company puts safety above profits, and still manages to make billions.

they make billions, for the citizens of the country, which could be passed on in the form of tax cuts

theres your conservative wet dream right there, tax cuts for everybody

One TINY, LITTLE, EENSY WEENSY little flaw in your logic: Government "profits" (man, THERE'S the oxymoron of the CENTURY) are NEVER, EVER, EVER "passed on in the form of tax cuts" in these United States of America. First off, to even remotely believe that our government could do ANYTHING efficiently enough to actually generate a profit is living proof you're living in fucking la-la land, but in the extremely unlikely event they WERE able to generate one, I guaranfuckingtee you your benevolent king Osama would find yet another entitle program wet dream that costs 3x what the profits would be from the oil industry to spend the money on. Guaranteed.

[OSBF]

they make billions, for the citizens of the country, which could be passed on in the form of tax cuts

theres your conservative wet dream right there, tax cuts for everybody

One TINY, LITTLE, EENSY WEENSY little flaw in your logic: Government "profits" (man, THERE'S the oxymoron of the CENTURY) are NEVER, EVER, EVER "passed on in the form of tax cuts" in these United States of America. First off, to even remotely believe that our government could do ANYTHING efficiently enough to actually generate a profit is living proof you're living in fucking la-la land, but in the extremely unlikely event they WERE able to generate one, I guaranfuckingtee you your benevolent king Osama would find yet another entitle program wet dream that costs 3x what the profits would be from the oil industry to spend the money on. Guaranteed.

do a little research on the question I asked above, HINT, start with CWLP

[AZGrizFan]

One TINY, LITTLE, EENSY WEENSY little flaw in your logic: Government "profits" (man, THERE'S the oxymoron of the CENTURY) are NEVER, EVER, EVER "passed on in the form of tax cuts" in these United States of America. First off, to even remotely believe that our government could do ANYTHING efficiently enough to actually generate a profit is living proof you're living in fucking la-la land, but in the extremely unlikely event they WERE able to generate one, I guaranfuckingtee you your benevolent king Osama would find yet another entitle program wet dream that costs 3x what the profits would be from the oil industry to spend the money on. Guaranteed.

do a little research on the question I asked above, HINT, start with CWLP

do your own damned research if you want to make a point. Here's a little history for you: LOTS and LOTS of state and local governments were profitable for YEARS and YEARS prior to 2008. See, states and county and city governments mostly are REQUIRED to run on a balanced budget....something our Federal government has never had the balls to accomplish. Again, if you believe the Feds would pass on "profits" in the form of tax cuts, I've got some swampland in Florida I've been looking to unload.

[OSBF]

do a little research on the question I asked above, HINT, start with CWLP

do your own damned research if you want to make a point. Here's a little history for you: LOTS and LOTS of state and local governments were profitable for YEARS and YEARS prior to 2008. See, states and county and city governments mostly are REQUIRED to run on a balanced budget....something our Federal government has never had the balls to accomplish. Again, if you believe the Feds would pass on "profits" in the form of tax cuts, I've got some swampland in Florida I've been looking to unload.

CWLP= City Water Light and Power, the CITY(govt) owned utility of Springfield, IL. Cheapest electric and water rates in Illinois. We want to make day to day cost of living cheaper for everyone? Make all utilities public.

[AZGrizFan]

do your own damned research if you want to make a point. Here's a little history for you: LOTS and LOTS of state and local governments were profitable for YEARS and YEARS prior to 2008. See, states and county and city governments mostly are REQUIRED to run on a balanced budget....something our Federal government has never had the balls to accomplish. Again, if you believe the Feds would pass on "profits" in the form of tax cuts, I've got some swampland in Florida I've been looking to unload.

CWLP= City Water Light and Power, the CITY(govt) owned utility of Springfield, IL. Cheapest electric and water rates in Illinois. We want to make day to day cost of living cheaper for everyone? Make all utilities public.

I'd be fine with that at the city or state level. NEVER at the federal level. NEVER, I say! NEVER!!!!

[dbackjon]

do your own damned research if you want to make a point. Here's a little history for you: LOTS and LOTS of state and local governments were profitable for YEARS and YEARS prior to 2008. See, states and county and city governments mostly are REQUIRED to run on a balanced budget....something our Federal government has never had the balls to accomplish. Again, if you believe the Feds would pass on "profits" in the form of tax cuts, I've got some swampland in Florida I've been looking to unload.

CWLP= City Water Light and Power, the CITY(govt) owned utility of Springfield, IL. Cheapest electric and water rates in Illinois. We want to make day to day cost of living cheaper for everyone? Make all utilities public.

Ding-ding-ding!!

[OSBF]

CWLP= City Water Light and Power, the CITY(govt) owned utility of Springfield, IL. Cheapest electric and water rates in Illinois. We want to make day to day cost of living cheaper for everyone? Make all utilities public.

I'd be fine with that at the city or state level. NEVER at the federal level. NEVER, I say! NEVER!!!!

i think you could do local control of things like electric and water, natty gas perhaps

i'm not sure public control of something as big as oil,phone,internet could happen unless it was the feds that did it, i dunno.

[houndawg]

Thanks to these lax PRIVATE INDUSTRIES *******, we are ****

Maybe we should be like Venezuela and nationalize the oil companies.

Evidently they run a safer operation.



BPs top management gets charged with felonies, two strikes left. That's how you make safety a priority in private industry.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Here comes the oil, Florida Keys / Atlantic Coast.

[OSBF]

on a magnitude of scale, how much bigger than exxon valdez is this?

[JMU DJ]

on a magnitude of scale, how much bigger than exxon valdez is this?

Exxon Valdez ~250,000 Barrels

Gulf low estimate ~56,000 - 84,000 Barrels per day or 250,000 every 3-5 days.

[93henfan]

on a magnitude of scale, how much bigger than exxon valdez is this?

Exxon Valdez ~250,000 Barrels

Gulf low estimate ~56,000 - 84,000 Barrels per day or 250,000 every 3-5 days.

From an article I just read:

BP, which was leasing the Deepwater Horizon rig, has said since the explosion that about 5,000 barrels -- or 210,000 gallons -- of oil have been gushing out of the well every day. The company says it reached that number using data, satellite images and consultation with the Coast Guard and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Some scientists, however, believe the actual amount of oil may be larger. A researcher at Purdue University said BP's estimate is low and he believes about 70,000 barrels of oil are leaking each day. Steve Wereley, an associate professor in the mechanical engineering department, said he based his estimate on an analysis of video of the spill.

And Ian MacDonald, a biological oceanographer at Florida State University, has compiled data showing that as much as 1 million gallons of oil a day may be flowing from the well. As of May 7 -- more than a week ago -- MacDonald estimated that 13 million gallons had been spilled in the Gulf, according to FSU. By comparison, the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska is estimated at 11 million gallons.

MacDonald used U.S. Coast Guard aerial overflight maps of the oil to estimate its surface area, "then applied standard guidelines to measure the thickness of the oil itself," the university said in a statement. "By combining the two, he was able to provide a revised estimate showing that the oil spill is far worse than originally believed."

Asked about the oil plumes, Doug Suttles, BP's chief operating officer for exploration and production, told CNN that BP is attempting to get the data "and see if that can help us in how we're responding. I can tell you we're holding nothing back, absolutely nothing back, as we try to fight this thing."

So, it's already well past the Valdez with no end in sight.

[mainejeff]

Just curious Jeffie - you're doing what you do best which is pull a BP/Haliburton finger pointing exhibition with no proposals attached. Just what exactly would you suggest is done to clear up the damage already done as well as future correction so that this doesn't happen again?

I'll wait, but I suspect your silence will provide your answer.

I don't work in the oil industry so I have no clue. But I think that the oil companies have had many years to plan for a disaster like this (unless that they couldn't imagine an explosion on an oil rig or a pipe thousands of feet below the ocean surface ever breaking!!! ) I'd imagine that you have plenty of answers though.......with that excellent Appalachian education of yours.

[ASUG8]

Just curious Jeffie - you're doing what you do best which is pull a BP/Haliburton finger pointing exhibition with no proposals attached. Just what exactly would you suggest is done to clear up the damage already done as well as future correction so that this doesn't happen again?

I'll wait, but I suspect your silence will provide your answer.

I don't work in the oil industry so I have no clue. But I think that the oil companies have had many years to plan for a disaster like this (unless that they couldn't imagine an explosion on an oil rig or a pipe thousands of feet below the ocean surface ever breaking!!! ) I'd imagine that you have plenty of answers though.......with that excellent Appalachian education of yours.

Thanks - I do have some ideas, and I don't work in the oil industry either. Good suggestions on your part, Mainer.

[mainejeff]

I don't work in the oil industry so I have no clue. But I think that the oil companies have had many years to plan for a disaster like this (unless that they couldn't imagine an explosion on an oil rig or a pipe thousands of feet below the ocean surface ever breaking!!! ) I'd imagine that you have plenty of answers though.......with that excellent Appalachian education of yours.

Thanks - I do have some ideas, and I don't work in the oil industry either. Good suggestions on your part, Mainer.

Lets hear those ideas, Appalachia.



P.S. - Capitalism will NOT save the world.

[ASUG8]

Thanks - I do have some ideas, and I don't work in the oil industry either. Good suggestions on your part, Mainer.

Lets hear those ideas, Appalachia.



P.S. - Capitalism will NOT save the world.

Still crickets and coffee on my original question of you....big on criticism, short on solutions.

(P.S. the answer to every argument isn't a diatribe on the evils of Bush/Cheney, private enterprise, and the greatness of the current administration).

[mainejeff]

Lets hear those ideas, Appalachia.



P.S. - Capitalism will NOT save the world.

Still crickets and coffee on my original question of you....big on criticism, short on solutions.

I answered your original question.......but you still haven't answered mine, Appalachia.

[ASUG8]

Still crickets and coffee on my original question of you....big on criticism, short on solutions.

I answered your original question.......but you still haven't answered mine, Appalachia.

* BP pays all the costs of the effort - the spill is too large to contain and control by BP alone; they don't have the manpower resources alone to take care of this and will likely need some help from several areas:
(a) local fisherman - they've been pleading to help both for work and to preserve their way of life - BP hires them as private contractors in a much more aggressive manner to avert hitting the Loop Current, deploying booms, and skimming
(b) larger effort by USCG and possibly US Navy - again, US Gov. bills back expenses to BP
(c) might be time to call in some favors from nations friendly to us - this is impactful to more than just the US
(d) FEMA/EPA/NOAA/even NASA could provide additional expertise on environmental impact along with thinktanks and US colleges/universities
(e) more aggressive use of controlled burns near possible landfall areas and gulf currents to reduce spread
(f) hopefully this is a shot across the bow of those in government allowing the oil companies to operate like cowboys (not meant as a partisan comment at all - it's been going on for years under several administrations)

I'm sure there are plenty more options, some more viable than others.

[mainejeff]

* BP pays all the costs of the effort - the spill is too large to contain and control by BP alone; they don't have the manpower resources alone to take care of this and will likely need some help from several areas:
(a) local fisherman - they've been pleading to help both for work and to preserve their way of life - BP hires them as private contractors in a much more aggressive manner to avert hitting the Loop Current
(b) larger effort by USCG and possibly US Navy - again, US Gov. bills back expenses to BP
(c) might be time to call in some favors from nations friendly to us - this is impactful to more than just the US
(d) FEMA/EPA/NOAA/even NASA could provide additional expertise on environmental impact along with thinktanks and US colleges/universities
(e) more aggressive use of controlled burns near possible landfall areas and gulf currents to reduce spread

I'm sure there are plenty more options, some more viable than others.

* This would bankrupt BP if they were to pay for all of this when all is said and done.

(a) So what exactly are the fishermen going to do??? Throw their nets over the oil? Not to mention, BP can't afford to hire a bunch of amateurs no matter how warm and fuzzy this story sounds.

(b) Again........BP can't afford to pay for the U.S. Coast Guard and U.S. Navy to help them........and exactly WHAT would they do (other than be taken away from their assigned duties like immigration control in Gulf Waters, possible rescue operations of stranded boats, and national security on the high seas?). Sorry.......let BP find PRIVATE contractors to help them!

(c) We ask so much of Great Britain..........

P.S. - I bet that Venezuela would help........but CONKS would throw a hissy fit.

(d) They have been providing expertise.......they've told us that we're f*cked if this continues unabated. What the hell else do you want them to do........dive down their themselves with a cork?

(e) Maybe that will help....???

[AZGrizFan]

* BP pays all the costs of the effort - the spill is too large to contain and control by BP alone; they don't have the manpower resources alone to take care of this and will likely need some help from several areas:
(a) local fisherman - they've been pleading to help both for work and to preserve their way of life - BP hires them as private contractors in a much more aggressive manner to avert hitting the Loop Current
(b) larger effort by USCG and possibly US Navy - again, US Gov. bills back expenses to BP
(c) might be time to call in some favors from nations friendly to us - this is impactful to more than just the US
(d) FEMA/EPA/NOAA/even NASA could provide additional expertise on environmental impact along with thinktanks and US colleges/universities
(e) more aggressive use of controlled burns near possible landfall areas and gulf currents to reduce spread

I'm sure there are plenty more options, some more viable than others.

* This would bankrupt BP if they were to pay for all of this when all is said and done.

(a) So what exactly are the fishermen going to do??? Throw their nets over the oil? Not to mention, BP can't afford to hire a bunch of amateurs no matter how warm and fuzzy this story sounds.

(b) Again........BP can't afford to pay for the U.S. Coast Guard and U.S. Navy to help them........and exactly WHAT would they do (other than be taken away from their assigned duties like immigration control in Gulf Waters, possible rescue operations of stranded boats, and national security on the high seas?). Sorry.......let BP find PRIVATE contractors to help them!

(c) We ask so much of Great Britain..........

P.S. - I bet that Venezuela would help........but CONKS would throw a hissy fit.

(d) They have been providing expertise.......they've told us that we're f*cked if this continues unabated. What the hell else do you want them to do........dive down their themselves with a cork?

(e) Maybe that will help....???

You are such a fucking negative nanny. BP made $6 BILLION last quarter. I don't think they're going broke.

[mainejeff]

You are such a **** negative nanny. BP made $6 BILLION last quarter. I don't think they're going broke.

Gimme a break........you're nothin' but a f*cking CONK douchebag.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

* BP pays all the costs of the effort - the spill is too large to contain and control by BP alone; they don't have the manpower resources alone to take care of this and will likely need some help from several areas:
(a) local fisherman - they've been pleading to help both for work and to preserve their way of life - BP hires them as private contractors in a much more aggressive manner to avert hitting the Loop Current
(b) larger effort by USCG and possibly US Navy - again, US Gov. bills back expenses to BP
(c) might be time to call in some favors from nations friendly to us - this is impactful to more than just the US
(d) FEMA/EPA/NOAA/even NASA could provide additional expertise on environmental impact along with thinktanks and US colleges/universities
(e) more aggressive use of controlled burns near possible landfall areas and gulf currents to reduce spread

I'm sure there are plenty more options, some more viable than others.

* This would bankrupt BP if they were to pay for all of this when all is said and done.

(a) So what exactly are the fishermen going to do??? Throw their nets over the oil? Not to mention, BP can't afford to hire a bunch of amateurs no matter how warm and fuzzy this story sounds.

(b) Again........BP can't afford to pay for the U.S. Coast Guard and U.S. Navy to help them........and exactly WHAT would they do (other than be taken away from their assigned duties like immigration control in Gulf Waters, possible rescue operations of stranded boats, and national security on the high seas?). Sorry.......let BP find PRIVATE contractors to help them!

(c) We ask so much of Great Britain..........

P.S. - I bet that Venezuela would help........but CONKS would throw a hissy fit.

(d) They have been providing expertise.......they've told us that we're f*cked if this continues unabated. What the hell else do you want them to do........dive down their themselves with a cork?

(e) Maybe that will help....???

So we should just bend over and take it in the ass? Is that your suggestion? I have heard nothing from you, as usual, but snide bitching. There's nothing we can do, fuck it, just let a monumental disaster happen while you chuckle to yourself. You actually enjoy this shit, don't you?

At least G8 thinks constructively.

[mainejeff]

* This would bankrupt BP if they were to pay for all of this when all is said and done.

(a) So what exactly are the fishermen going to do??? Throw their nets over the oil? Not to mention, BP can't afford to hire a bunch of amateurs no matter how warm and fuzzy this story sounds.

(b) Again........BP can't afford to pay for the U.S. Coast Guard and U.S. Navy to help them........and exactly WHAT would they do (other than be taken away from their assigned duties like immigration control in Gulf Waters, possible rescue operations of stranded boats, and national security on the high seas?). Sorry.......let BP find PRIVATE contractors to help them!

(c) We ask so much of Great Britain..........

P.S. - I bet that Venezuela would help........but CONKS would throw a hissy fit.

(d) They have been providing expertise.......they've told us that we're f*cked if this continues unabated. What the hell else do you want them to do........dive down their themselves with a cork?

(e) Maybe that will help....???

So we should just bend over and take it in the ass? Is that your suggestion? I have heard nothing from you, as usual, but snide bitching. There's nothing we can do, **** it, just let a monumental disaster happen while you chuckle to yourself. You actually enjoy this ****, don't you?

At least G8 thinks constructively.

I gave my answers to his suggestions, douchebag. Why don't you go whack off to a Palin poster or something.....