James Carville Slams Oil Response

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Can you imagine how intolerable Travis would be?

You mean just like he is now?

[Skjellyfetti]

No question there's shared blame, the majority of which I'd place on BP.
Here's what I was able to find quickly....

After consulting with scientists and experts, Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry, the federal on-scene coordinator for the oil spill response effort, granted the final authorization for BP to move forward earlier Wednesday.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/26/gulf.o ... tml?hpt=T1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's authorization. It was BP's decision to go ahead with the top kill after all their other ideas failed. The Coast Guard wasnt' telling them not to try top kill before... once BP said they wanted to do it... the Coast Guard said go for it.

The BP CEO decided THIS MORNING to go ahead with top kill. Coast Guard said... DO IT.

The chief executive of British energy giant BP Plc said he expects to make the final decision on Wednesday whether to proceed with its "top kill" procedure to try to contain leaking oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

"Later this morning I will review that with the team, and I will take a final decision as to whether or not we should proceed," BP CEO Tony Hayward told the NBC "Today" show.

If he determines it is safe to proceed, the procedure is expected to happen on Wednesday, he said.

http://www.kgmi.com/pages/7328660.php?c ... Id=6174891" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It wasn't the Coast Guard or the federal government's decision... it was BP's. The Coast Guard just authorized it and did so VERY fast.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

BP and the goverment share equal blame for this IMHO. I didn't hear anything about the Coast Guard impeding progress of BP efforts, but would be very interested in learning more about that. Are you sure the CG hasn't just been waiting for safer and more ideal sea conditions (within the past few days) to allow this top kill thing to happen?

No question there's shared blame, the majority of which I'd place on BP.
Here's what I was able to find quickly....

After consulting with scientists and experts, Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry, the federal on-scene coordinator for the oil spill response effort, granted the final authorization for BP to move forward earlier Wednesday.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/26/gulf.o ... tml?hpt=T1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Though I can't say for sure, I read that as if Coast Guard approval was little more than a formality to allow BP to proceed with the top kill. I think permission for the top kill would also have been granted a month ago if asked for then.

[Ibanez]

When do we start handing out debit cards so the Gulf Coast Residents can go buy car rims, boob jobs and alcohol?

[SunCoastBlueHen]

When do we start handing out debit cards so the Gulf Coast Residents can go buy car rims, boob jobs and alcohol?

Is it necessary for oil have to have actually reached your beach to get said debit cards?

[ASUG8]

SCBH:

CNN's online writing and scrawl on TV at lunch left the interpretation of "Coast Guard authorization" open to interpretation a bit. It kind of implied that they had to sign off on the decision for BP to take action.

BP certainly isn't inspiring any positive vibes about being willing to do the right thing. They appear to be making it look like they're only concerned about fixing the problem, but they may very well have been attempting to preserve their investment for as long as possible. With the BP issue and the Valdez I have zero faith in the oil industry to do the right thing first.

[CitadelGrad]

The Rajin' Cajun sure was juiced this morning.

Is he still married to Mary Matalin? I always thought that was an "odd coupling."

When you're uglier than sin you can't be too picky. They were made for each other.

[CitadelGrad]

As bad as the oil spill is... comparisons to Katrina are just retarded.

Hurricanes are fucking forecasted. Who was surprised when the hurricane made landfall on the Gulf Coast? Anyone? No. FEMA (whose specific job it is to respond to emergencies like hurricanes...) failed to provide adequate and BASIC supplies like food, water, and shelter to people after the storm. The head of FEMA was appointed by the President and had no experience remotely in the field. ~2,000 human lives were lost.

The federal government has a role in both of these fuckups. No doubt about it. But, the two are only comparable if you really grasp at straws.

Actually, hurricanes develop very quickly and their paths are notoriously unpredictable. Often they are predicted to hit one location but end up making landfall hundreds of miles away. The warning time that New Orleans had was much shorter than the lead time between the oil rig blowout and the oil hitting the shore. Where was FEMA with oil booms, chemical dispersants and personnel to clean up the oil as it reached the shore?

[AZGrizFan]

As bad as the oil spill is... comparisons to Katrina are just retarded.

Hurricanes are fucking forecasted. Who was surprised when the hurricane made landfall on the Gulf Coast? Anyone? No. FEMA (whose specific job it is to respond to emergencies like hurricanes...) failed to provide adequate and BASIC supplies like food, water, and shelter to people after the storm. The head of FEMA was appointed by the President and had no experience remotely in the field. ~2,000 human lives were lost.

The federal government has a role in both of these fuckups. No doubt about it. But, the two are only comparable if you really grasp at straws.

Actually, hurricanes develop very quickly and their paths are notoriously unpredictable. Often they are predicted to hit one location but end up making landfall hundreds of miles away. The warning time that New Orleans had was much shorter than the lead time between the oil rig blowout and the oil hitting the shore. Where was FEMA with oil booms, chemical dispersants and personnel to clean up the oil as it reached the shore?

I'm going to guess that, much like Katrina, FEMA didn't have a plan for oil spills in the gulf. Or, if they did, they couldn't find it. But I'm sure that's somehow Bush's fault too.

[bluehenbillk]

If people were going to rip Bush for Katrina, they'd have to rip Obama for this, what, if any difference is there between the two??

[Hansel]

Maybe Obama could give a speech to the oil and tell it to not come ashore?

[BDKJMU]

As bad as the oil spill is... comparisons to Katrina are just retarded.

Hurricanes are **** forecasted. Who was surprised when the hurricane made landfall on the Gulf Coast? Anyone? No. FEMA (whose specific job it is to respond to emergencies like hurricanes...) failed to provide adequate and BASIC supplies like food, water, and shelter to people after the storm. The head of FEMA was appointed by the President and had no experience remotely in the field. ~2,000 human lives were lost.

The federal government has a role in both of these ****. No doubt about it. But, the two are only comparable if you really grasp at straws.

The City of New Orleans led by Mayor "Chocolate City" Nagin and then Gov of LA Blanco whose specific job it is to respond to local emergencies failed to provide adequate and BASIC supplies like food, water, and shelter to people after the storm despite ample prior warning. The f***ups by those 2 donks dwarf those of FEMA and Brownie...

[BDKJMU]

As bad as the oil spill is... comparisons to Katrina are just retarded.

Hurricanes are **** forecasted. Who was surprised when the hurricane made landfall on the Gulf Coast? Anyone? No. FEMA (whose specific job it is to respond to emergencies like hurricanes...) failed to provide adequate and BASIC supplies like food, water, and shelter to people after the storm. The head of FEMA was appointed by the President and had no experience remotely in the field. ~2,000 human lives were lost.

The federal government has a role in both of these ****. No doubt about it. But, the two are only comparable if you really grasp at straws.

Imagine that: appointing a head of a critical agency with NO experience in the field:


But apparently only Republicans do that, huh?

Adequate supplies and shelter, huh? I give you:



Maybe if the MAYOR had done his **** job and not acted like a typical liberal and waiting for the Federal Government to do his job FOR him, this whole thing would have been a non-issue.

Bingo. I posted my previous response before I read yours. Mayor Chocolate City IGNORED the city's Emergency SOP by not using the buses to evacuate those stranded.

[Skjellyfetti]

The City of New Orleans led by Mayor "Chocolate City" Nagin and then Gov of LA Blanco whose specific job it is to respond to local emergencies failed to provide adequate and BASIC supplies like food, water, and shelter to people after the storm despite ample prior warning.

Was I defending them?

And it was the exact same incompetence...

[AZGrizFan]

As bad as the oil spill is... comparisons to Katrina are just retarded.

Hurricanes are fucking forecasted. Who was surprised when the hurricane made landfall on the Gulf Coast? Anyone? No. FEMA (whose specific job it is to respond to emergencies like hurricanes...) failed to provide adequate and BASIC supplies like food, water, and shelter to people after the storm. The head of FEMA was appointed by the President and had no experience remotely in the field. ~2,000 human lives were lost.
The federal government has a role in both of these fuckups. No doubt about it. But, the two are only comparable if you really grasp at straws.

The City of New Orleans led by Mayor "Chocolate City" Nagin and then Gov of LA Blanco whose specific job it is to respond to local emergencies failed to provide adequate and BASIC supplies like food, water, and shelter to people after the storm despite ample prior warning.

Was I defending them?

And it was the exact same incompetence...

You directly correlated the Federal Government's (FEMA's, specifically) incompetence to the loss of 2,000 lives, so yeah I'd say you were defending them by completely ignoring the reality of the matter that it's the LOCAL government's job to have in place and properly exercise an emergency evacuation plan. Oh, and it was also local government's job to ensure the levies money was spent on actual LEVIES.

[Skjellyfetti]

You directly correlated the Federal Government's (FEMA's, specifically) incompetence to the loss of 2,000 lives, so yeah I'd say you were defending them by completely ignoring the reality of the matter that it's the LOCAL government's job to have in place and properly exercise an emergency evacuation plan. Oh, and it was also local government's job to ensure the levies money was spent on actual LEVIES.

I didn't directly correlate that, AZ. You misread what I wrote. The ~2,000 dead was part of my list about the VAST differences between Katrina and the BP Shart.

And, it's both the local government and the federal government's job, AZ. AND THEY BOTH FUCKED UP. ROYALLY. But, the federal fuckup doesn't take blame away from the local government. And the local government's fuckups doesn't mean the Federal government didn't fuckup royally as well.

You can argue that it's only the local government's job if you want to, AZ... but, then you'd have to say the oil cleanup is the local government's job (and, I'd assume BP's... but, conservatives don't seem to hold corporations to the "responsibility" that they normally preach about). And in that case Carville's point and this whole thread is pointless.

[AZGrizFan]

You directly correlated the Federal Government's (FEMA's, specifically) incompetence to the loss of 2,000 lives, so yeah I'd say you were defending them by completely ignoring the reality of the matter that it's the LOCAL government's job to have in place and properly exercise an emergency evacuation plan. Oh, and it was also local government's job to ensure the levies money was spent on actual LEVIES.

I didn't directly correlate that, AZ. Yo misread what I wrote. The ~2,000 dead was part of my list about the VAST differences between Katrina and the BP Shart.

And, it's both the local government and the federal government's job, AZ.

You can argue that it's only the local government's job if you want to, AZ... but, then you'd have to say the oil cleanup is the local government's job (and, I'd assume BP's... but, conservatives don't seem to hold corporations to the "responsibility" that they normally preach about). And in that case Carville's point and this whole thread is pointless.

Yeah, well in the future you might want to be a TAD bit clearer in what you're intending to get across, for us "conservatives". You never ONCE mentioned local government until right NOW. Apology accepted.

And I don't know many conservatives who don't want BP held accountable. But then again I don't know many conservatives who are tea partiers or Palin supporters, but that's never stopped your ilk from lumping us all together, has it?

[Skjellyfetti]

You never ONCE mentioned local government until right NOW.

Does this thread have anything to do with local government?

It's about Obama's response to the BP Shart. The thread's got nothing to do with local government.

The only reason it came up at all is because of the red herrings you and BDK decided to drop.

[AZGrizFan]

You never ONCE mentioned local government until right NOW.

Does this thread have anything to do with local government?

It's about Obama's response to the BP Shart. The thread's got nothing to do with local government.

The only reason it came up at all is because of the red herrings you and BDK decided to drop.

Your desire to bash the Bush administration knows no bounds. We're just trying to keep your sorry ass in check.

It only goes to figure that you'd look at Nagin's incompetence as a "red herring".

[Skjellyfetti]

Nagin has nothing to do with this thread.

[AZGrizFan]

Nagin has nothing to do with this thread.

Not in your narrow view.

[BDKJMU]

You directly correlated the Federal Government's (FEMA's, specifically) incompetence to the loss of 2,000 lives, so yeah I'd say you were defending them by completely ignoring the reality of the matter that it's the LOCAL government's job to have in place and properly exercise an emergency evacuation plan. Oh, and it was also local government's job to ensure the levies money was spent on actual LEVIES.

I didn't directly correlate that, AZ. You misread what I wrote. The ~2,000 dead was part of my list about the VAST differences between Katrina and the BP Shart.

And, it's both the local government and the federal government's job, AZ. AND THEY BOTH **** UP. ROYALLY. But, the federal **** doesn't take blame away from the local government. And the local government's **** doesn't mean the Federal government didn't **** royally as well.

You can argue that it's only the local government's job if you want to, AZ... but, then you'd have to say the oil cleanup is the local government's job (and, I'd assume BP's... but, conservatives don't seem to hold corporations to the "responsibility" that they normally preach about). And in that case Carville's point and this whole thread is pointless.

Nope, the oil leak 40 miles out in the ocean under 5k feet of water isn't in the local gov't jurisdiction.

[BDKJMU]

Wait, didn't Obama say upon his election this was the moment that the oceans began to heal? Guess he's not the prophet that he thought he was..

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Wait, didn't Obama say upon his election this was the moment that the oceans began to heal? Guess he's not the prophet that he thought he was..

You're right...

I'm starting to think he is just as big a blowhard, taking head as Bush...

or Clinton or Bush or Reagan or Carter or Ford...

[AZGrizFan]

Wait, didn't Obama say upon his election this was the moment that the oceans began to heal? Guess he's not the prophet that he thought he was..

You're right...

I'm starting to think he is just as big a blowhard, taking head as Bush...

or Clinton or Bush or Reagan or Carter or Ford...

Glad you stopped there, because Nixon was a GOD.