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slobama comes through and takes responsibility :coffee:

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Thrown on the defensive, President Barack Obama acknowledged his administration could have done better in dealing with the biggest oil spill in the nation's history and misjudged the industry's ability to cope with a worst-case scenario. Obama will make his second tour of the battered Gulf Coast on Friday.

"I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down," Obama declared in a lengthy news conference at the White House on Thursday. As he spoke, well owner BP struggled anew to plug the blown well that exploded five weeks ago, killing 11 workers and sending millions of gallons of polluting oil gushing out.
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Gil Dobie wrote:slobama comes through and takes responsibility :coffee:

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Thrown on the defensive, President Barack Obama acknowledged his administration could have done better in dealing with the biggest oil spill in the nation's history and misjudged the industry's ability to cope with a worst-case scenario. Obama will make his second tour of the battered Gulf Coast on Friday.

"I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down," Obama declared in a lengthy news conference at the White House on Thursday. As he spoke, well owner BP struggled anew to plug the blown well that exploded five weeks ago, killing 11 workers and sending millions of gallons of polluting oil gushing out.

Refreshing honesty from a president. God bless Obama. :nod: Conk would have just ingnored the issue (New Orleans).
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D1B wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:slobama comes through and takes responsibility :coffee:

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Thrown on the defensive, President Barack Obama acknowledged his administration could have done better in dealing with the biggest oil spill in the nation's history and misjudged the industry's ability to cope with a worst-case scenario. Obama will make his second tour of the battered Gulf Coast on Friday.

"I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down," Obama declared in a lengthy news conference at the White House on Thursday. As he spoke, well owner BP struggled anew to plug the blown well that exploded five weeks ago, killing 11 workers and sending millions of gallons of polluting oil gushing out.

Refreshing honesty from a president. God bless Obama. :nod: Conk would have just ingnored the issue (New Orleans).
According to many Democrat lawmakers from that area, it seems he has all but ignored the issue.
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Baldy wrote:
D1B wrote:

Refreshing honesty from a president. God bless Obama. :nod: Conk would have just ingnored the issue (New Orleans).
According to many Democrat lawmakers from that area, it seems he has all but ignored the issue.
Sad. :ohno:
:rofl: When did you sudenly start believing Democrats, Balmy? Gettin' soft, bro....... :rofl:
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houndawg wrote:
Baldy wrote: According to many Democrat lawmakers from that area, it seems he has all but ignored the issue.
Sad. :ohno:
:rofl: When did you sudenly start believing Democrats, Balmy? Gettin' soft, bro....... :rofl:
Didn't say I did or didn't believe them, but when they are eating their own, it's good for America. :thumb: :nod:
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Baldy wrote:
houndawg wrote:
:rofl: When did you sudenly start believing Democrats, Balmy? Gettin' soft, bro....... :rofl:
Didn't say I did or didn't believe them, but when they are eating their own, it's good for America. :thumb: :nod:
Best post of this thread so far! :thumb: :lol:
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Gil Dobie wrote: slobama comes through and takes responsibility :coffee:

In a manner of speaking, what you say is true, Gil. slobama will eventually take responsibility in the election cycle.

But the incompetent sunuvabitch has not taken real leadership responsibility for a damm thing.

Peggy Noonan describes his political incompetence accurately in her Wall Street Journal letter to the editor:

"I don't see how the president's position and popularity can survive the oil spill. This is his third political disaster in his first 18 months in office. And they were all, as they say, unforced errors, meaning they were shaped by the president's political judgment and instincts.

There was the tearing and unnecessary war over his health-care proposal and its cost. There was his day-to-day indifference to the views and hopes of the majority of voters regarding illegal immigration. And now the past almost 40 days of dodging and dithering in the face of an environmental calamity. I don't see how you politically survive this.

The president, in my view, continues to govern in a way that suggests he is chronically detached from the central and immediate concerns of his countrymen. ... "

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 08846.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Why is it that you conk assholes only want the federal government to intervene when a company FUCKS UP royally, and not when they're making more money than god? :ohno: :ohno:
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Grizalltheway wrote:Why is it that you conk ******* only want the federal government to intervene when a company **** UP royally, and not when they're making more money than god? :ohno: :ohno:
Actually, the federal government fucked up royally, too. :nod:

U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study

The Interior Department exempted BP's calamitous Gulf of Mexico drilling operation from a detailed environmental impact analysis last year, according to government documents, after three reviews of the area concluded that a massive oil spill was unlikely.

The decision by the department's Minerals Management Service (MMS) to give BP's lease at Deepwater Horizon a "categorical exclusion" from the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) on April 6, 2009 -- and BP's lobbying efforts just 11 days before the explosion to expand those exemptions -- show that neither federal regulators nor the company anticipated an accident of the scale of the one unfolding in the gulf.
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Baldy wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Why is it that you conk ******* only want the federal government to intervene when a company **** UP royally, and not when they're making more money than god? :ohno: :ohno:
Actually, the federal government fucked up royally, too. :nod:

U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study

The Interior Department exempted BP's calamitous Gulf of Mexico drilling operation from a detailed environmental impact analysis last year, according to government documents, after three reviews of the area concluded that a massive oil spill was unlikely.

The decision by the department's Minerals Management Service (MMS) to give BP's lease at Deepwater Horizon a "categorical exclusion" from the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) on April 6, 2009 -- and BP's lobbying efforts just 11 days before the explosion to expand those exemptions -- show that neither federal regulators nor the company anticipated an accident of the scale of the one unfolding in the gulf.
Baldy, it comes down to the negligence of the people who were ON the rig, saw that there was clearly damage to the annular, and chose to ignore it in order to get the well online more quickly. :ohno:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/60_minutes ... &play=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Baldy wrote: Actually, the federal government **** up royally, too. :nod:

U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study

The Interior Department exempted BP's calamitous Gulf of Mexico drilling operation from a detailed environmental impact analysis last year, according to government documents, after three reviews of the area concluded that a massive oil spill was unlikely.

The decision by the department's Minerals Management Service (MMS) to give BP's lease at Deepwater Horizon a "categorical exclusion" from the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) on April 6, 2009 -- and BP's lobbying efforts just 11 days before the explosion to expand those exemptions -- show that neither federal regulators nor the company anticipated an accident of the scale of the one unfolding in the gulf.
Baldy, it comes down to the negligence of the people who were ON the rig, saw that there was clearly damage to the annular, and chose to ignore it in order to get the well online more quickly. :ohno:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/60_minutes ... &play=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It actually comes down to the people who were supposed to inspect the rig. Any idea who that is?
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Baldy wrote: Actually, the federal government fucked up royally, too. :nod:

U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study

The Interior Department exempted BP's calamitous Gulf of Mexico drilling operation from a detailed environmental impact analysis last year, according to government documents, after three reviews of the area concluded that a massive oil spill was unlikely.

The decision by the department's Minerals Management Service (MMS) to give BP's lease at Deepwater Horizon a "categorical exclusion" from the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) on April 6, 2009 -- and BP's lobbying efforts just 11 days before the explosion to expand those exemptions -- show that neither federal regulators nor the company anticipated an accident of the scale of the one unfolding in the gulf.
Baldy, it comes down to the negligence of the people who were ON the rig, saw that there was clearly damage to the annular, and chose to ignore it in order to get the well online more quickly. :ohno:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/60_minutes ... &play=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What are your thoughts on the population of New Orleans? Was it their fault they didn't get out of town of their own accord?

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Baldy is beating you senseless and that is very very hard to do.

Yes it was New Orleans fault for not getting out before that little storm came through a few years ago.
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Nice summary presentation on all the technical efforts underway to stop the flow...

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwells_update24052010.htm

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41 years since the last major offshore rig accident off coast of Santa Barbra, CA, 1969. Thousands of rigs operated for 4 decades, weathering major storms and hurricanes with no major disaster. When a commercial airliner crashes, you don't halt new flights from being added, new planes from being built, airport expansion. But that is exactly what Obama has done here with the oil companies. He has put a 6 month halt to 33 deepwater exploratory projects underway, the majority of which AREN'T BP. Also has put a halt to any new ones being started in over 500 ft water. Also has halted 2 projects slated to start in Alaska which AREN'T BP.

The reason this accident occurred has been well documented (Wall Street Journal has done a very good several part series on this):
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... :b34454648" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The blame lays with BP- going against the recommendations of TransOcean and Haliburton on the rig. Shutting down BP's current deepwater projects and forbidding them from starting any new ones for 6 months or longer is one thing I doubt anyone would disagree with. Just like if an airline has been grossly negligent with safety standards, you can shut them down. But shutting down the entire industry's deepwater projects, most of whom have excellent safety records and are fuming at the damage BP has done to the industry, is a complete kneejerk overreaction by Obama thats just going to cost thousands of workers who work on these rigs and in the ports to be to be laid off and going to cause a rise in energy costs and for us to import even more oil.
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Gosh...
Whoever is to blame for a BP owned and operated oil rig exploding is a fun (yet somewhat senseless) debate...

Question:
Can we all agree that we have a MAJOR perhaps catastrophic oil leak that will likely change the gulf for the rest of our lives... Cornell Scientists predict (if the leak was stopped today) it would be 50 years for a full recovery...

considering that Valdez is still a mild train wreck this seems reasonable...

Can we agree on that..?



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travelinman67 wrote:Nice summary presentation on all the technical efforts underway to stop the flow...

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwells_update24052010.htm

To avoid another hijack, for the purposes of this thread and ONLY this thread, I will stipulate that Wal-Mart and Bush suck, Global Warming is real, Catholicism is evil, Pot Smokers are genius, and Bob Dylan is a great musician.

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Isn't it the very cream of the jest to listen to all these anti-government folks squeal for more federal regulation? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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SeattleGriz wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Baldy, it comes down to the negligence of the people who were ON the rig, saw that there was clearly damage to the annular, and chose to ignore it in order to get the well online more quickly. :ohno:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/60_minutes ... &play=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What are your thoughts on the population of New Orleans? Was it their fault they didn't get out of town of their own accord?

How about guns? Is it the gun that kills people, or the person firing the gun?
Anyone who had the means to get out of N.O. and didn't, I don't feel any sympathy for. And yes, the person who pulls the trigger is ultimately responsible for killing someone (not to suggest that those questions have anything to do with what we're discussing).

So just to be clear, you guys are suggesting that the people who saw that there was clearly something wrong with the BOP, and chose not to report it, should not be held accountable at all? Even though BP's safety policy supposedly requires that they do so?
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houndawg wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:Nice summary presentation on all the technical efforts underway to stop the flow...

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwells_update24052010.htm

To avoid another hijack, for the purposes of this thread and ONLY this thread, I will stipulate that Wal-Mart and Bush suck, Global Warming is real, Catholicism is evil, Pot Smokers are genius, and Bob Dylan is a great musician.

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Isn't it the very cream of the jest to listen to all these anti-government folks squeal for more federal regulation? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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This is all just another example of why we should nationalize the oil business.

Under control of the Federal Government, this accident never would have happened, and that rig would be running as safely and smoothly as DHS.
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I think we need to let the free market fix spill. :thumb:
Leonard Pitts: Free-market religion gets lost in the oil spill
There has never been a challenge that the American people, with as little interference as possible by the federal government, cannot handle.

—Bobby Jindal, March 24, 2009

That was then. This is now: 11 people dead in an oil rig explosion; fragile marshlands damaged, perhaps irreparably; uncalculated millions (billions?) in lost revenue for the tourism and fishing industries.

And Bobby Jindal, governor of Louisiana, off whose coast this tragedy is centered, is singing a new song, starkly at odds with what he said last year in a speech before the Republican faithful. Now he's begging for federal "interference." He wants federal money, federal supplies, wants the feds to help create barrier islands to protect Louisiana wetlands from oil.

Not to pick on Jindal. He is but one prominent voice in a chorus of Gulf state officials who once preached the virtues of tiny government but have discovered, in the wake of this spreading disaster, the virtues of government that is robust enough, at a minimum, to help them out of a jam.

One hears pointed questions about President Obama's engagement or lack thereof in the unfolding crisis. One hears accusations that the government was lax in its oversight duties and too cozy with the oil industry it was supposed to be regulating. One hears nothing about deregulation, about leaving the free market alone to do its magic.

You know what they say: It's all fun and games till somebody gets hurt. Well, the Gulf Coast is hurt — hurt in ways that may take years to fully assess, much less repair. And the sudden silence from the apostles of small government and free markets is telling.

The thing is, their argument is not fundamentally wrong. Who among us does not believe government is frequently bloated, inefficient and bound by preposterous rules? Who among us does not think it is often wasteful, hideously complex and redundantly redundant?

Yes, government is not perfect. Nor is it perfectible. As adults, we should understand that. Any bureaucracy serving 309 million people, and representing their interests in a world of 6.8 billion people, is likely always to have flaws. Thus, fixing government, making it more streamlined and responsive, is and always will be an ongoing project.

But instead of undertaking that project, people like Jindal rail against the very concept of government itself, selling the delusional notion that taxation and regulation represent the evisceration of some essential American principle. They wax eloquent about what great things the free market and the free American could do if government would just get off their backs.

One thinks of one's meat oozing with salmonella; one's paint filled with lead; one's car getting 12 miles to the gallon; one's self being breezily denied a job for reasons of race, creed, gender or sexual orientation; and, yes, one's ocean covered from horizon to horizon with a sheen of oil. And one shudders.

You see — government is not our enemy. Government is the imperfect embodiment of our common will. That is a not-so-fine distinction Jindal and others like him have lost in the rush to stoke the sense of grievance that burns in some conservative souls. It is a distinction they recalled with great clarity as oil began spilling upon their waters.

As there are no atheists in foxholes, it turns out there are no small-government disciples in massive oil spills. No, with BP oil soaking the sands of his coastline, Jindal turned righteously to that big, sometimes bloated, often intrusive federal government, and asked for help. He said: Send money, send resources.

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Chizzang wrote: considering that Valdez is still a mild train wreck this seems reasonable...

Can we agree on that..?



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travelinman67 wrote:To avoid another hijack, for the purposes of this thread and ONLY this thread, I will stipulate that Wal-Mart and Bush suck, Global Warming is real, Catholicism is evil, Pot Smokers are genius, and Bob Dylan was a great musician.
:lol: However, that only gets DB1 off the case.
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Chizzang wrote:Gosh...
Whoever is to blame for a BP owned and operated oil rig exploding is a fun (yet somewhat senseless) debate...

Question:
Can we all agree that we have a MAJOR perhaps catastrophic oil leak that will likely change the gulf for the rest of our lives... Cornell Scientists predict (if the leak was stopped today) it would be 50 years for a full recovery...

considering that Valdez is still a mild train wreck this seems reasonable...

Can we agree on that..?

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And Prince William sound recovered far faster than the experts predicted. I have a hard time believing it will take 50 years. After all, oil is something created by mother nature.
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Lets see, we can be drilling in 5k feet of water, where a major spill, although rare, when it happens is very difficult to stop, and which can effect the livlihoods of tens of thousands of people for a # of years, or we can drill in a speck of ANWR in a part of it that is a barren, frozen, tundra of mud and rock, where if a spill occurs it will be relatively easy to stop and clean up and where no-one lives.
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