White House Admits Talking With Another Senate Candidate

[GannonFan]

Short memory? Senility beginning to kick in? Self administering Novocaine?



Republicans came to power promising fiscal responsibility, government accountability, etc. etc.

How did that turn out?

You aren't a very astute student of history, are you?

As history has proven, the Contract With America served it's purpose and delivered on most of it's promises. What happened to that particular set of Republican politicians is the same that happens with any set of politicians who fall into the "Culture of DC". Which in my opinion, is a good argument for term limits. Well intending people of both parties who truly want to become advocates for their constituents seem to get sucked into the 'me first' culture of Washington DC. It happened to the people who came in with the "Republican Revolution", and it has happened now with the current lot.

Baldy's right - the Republicans came into power and initially they lived up to their promises. As their time in power became extended, they began to fulfill fewer and fewer promises. It got to a point where the voters decided they had been defrauded enough and they threw the Republicans out in spectacular defeats first in 2006 and then in 2008.

The problem the Democrats have is that they have been in power in Congress for 4 years now and the White House for 2 (well, 1 and a half), and they came into office promising things as well. Once you begin to miss out on fulfilling promises is when you can expect voters to start looking elsewhere (or some voters just not coming out at all). November is coming up and things are not going in the Democrats' favor right now. The only real question is whether the Republicans can win enough to take back either or both Houses of Congress (although they don't necessarily need to take back the Senate - the more and more you get to 50/50 it's pretty much a neutralized body). The big question is whether they win the House and promises unfulfilled make that liklier and liklier as the days go on.

[JMU DJ]

It got to a point where the voters decided they had been defrauded enough and they threw the Republicans out in spectacular defeats first in 2006 and then in 2008.

The problem the Democrats have is that they have been in power in Congress for 4 years now and the White House for 2 (well, 1 and a half), and they came into office promising things as well.

I blame Y2K for the past decade of politics.

[Skjellyfetti]

You aren't a very astute student of history, are you?

As history has proven, the Contract With America served it's purpose and delivered on most of it's promises. What happened to that particular set of Republican politicians is the same that happens with any set of politicians who fall into the "Culture of DC". Which in my opinion, is a good argument for term limits. Well intending people of both parties who truly want to become advocates for their constituents seem to get sucked into the 'me first' culture of Washington DC. It happened to the people who came in with the "Republican Revolution", and it has happened now with the current lot.

Obama has fulfilled or is fulfilling most of his promises as well (http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).

The Contract with American and Obama both promised to reform government, make it more accountable, fiscal responsibility, etc. etc. The Contract with America failed to live up to its promise. Obama will as well, as do all politicians. Which was my point by bringing up the Contract With America... it's not just Obama (as death dealer claimed)... the Republicans did the same thing.

You seem to agree with that in your last sentence.

[Baldy]

You aren't a very astute student of history, are you?

As history has proven, the Contract With America served it's purpose and delivered on most of it's promises. What happened to that particular set of Republican politicians is the same that happens with any set of politicians who fall into the "Culture of DC". Which in my opinion, is a good argument for term limits. Well intending people of both parties who truly want to become advocates for their constituents seem to get sucked into the 'me first' culture of Washington DC. It happened to the people who came in with the "Republican Revolution", and it has happened now with the current lot.

Obama has fulfilled or is fulfilling most of his promises as well (http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).

The Contract with American and Obama both promised to reform government, make it more accountable, fiscal responsibility, etc. etc. The Contract with America failed to live up to its promise. Obama will as well, as do all politicians. Which was my point by bringing up the Contract With America... it's not just Obama (as death dealer claimed)... the Republicans did the same thing.

You seem to agree with that in your last sentence.

As I said in my first sentence, "As history has proven, the Contract With America served it's purpose and delivered on most of it's promises."

Those promises have a shelf life of about 6-8 years, which is why I also said that it also supports the term limits argument.

[89Hen]

Obama has fulfilled or is fulfilling most of his promises as well (http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).

Promise Kept = 113

Compromise = 34
Promise Broken = 19
Stalled = 82

If you say so.

[Skjellyfetti]

Obama has fulfilled or is fulfilling most of his promises as well (http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).

Promise Kept = 113

Compromise = 34
Promise Broken = 19
Stalled = 82

If you say so.

Why did you leave off
Promises Kept: 113
Promises In the Works: 234

[GannonFan]

Promise Kept = 113

Compromise = 34
Promise Broken = 19
Stalled = 82

If you say so.

Why did you leave off
Promises Kept: 113
Promises In the Works: 234

Truth be told, promises "in the works" means any promise that doesn't fit it into any other category. It's the catchall. And some promises matter more than others - that whole no taxes on anyone under $250k of income was a bit more important than expanding the Senior Corps Volunteer program or expanding the Nurse-Family Partnership. I'd rather he keep his promise on say the 10 real biggies than miss on those and hit on all the small, narrow-reaching stuff. But I guess that wouldn't look great on a scorecard like this, eh?

[89Hen]

Promise Kept = 113

Compromise = 34
Promise Broken = 19
Stalled = 82

If you say so.

Why did you leave off
Promises Kept: 113
Promises In the Works: 234

yourself... I see 113 in there. As for "In the Works"... which way are you going to count them? My lottery winnings are "in the works". Do you ever get dizzy from all the spinning?

[Baldy]

Why did you leave off
Promises Kept: 113
Promises In the Works: 234

Truth be told, promises "in the works" means any promise that doesn't fit it into any other category. It's the catchall. And some promises matter more than others - that whole no taxes on anyone under $250k of income was a bit more important than expanding the Senior Corps Volunteer program or expanding the Nurse-Family Partnership. I'd rather he keep his promise on say the 10 real biggies than miss on those and hit on all the small, narrow-reaching stuff. But I guess that wouldn't look great on a scorecard like this, eh?

Exactly, if you look in the promises broken category, you see many of his big campaign promises on that scrap heap like:
1. No family making less than $250,000 will see "any form of tax increase."
2. Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN.
3. Create a public option health plan for a new National Health Insurance Exchange.
4. Support human mission to moon by 2020.
5. Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials.
6. Allow five days of public comment before signing bills.
7. Allow imported prescription drugs.
8. End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000
9. Allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms of a home mortgage.
10. Etc. etc. etc.

Thank God some of those promises were broken...

Compared to these, I think I can forgive him for not delivering a "State of the World" address or not recognizing the Armenian genocide.

[Skjellyfetti]

Truth be told, promises "in the works" means any promise that doesn't fit it into any other category. It's the catchall. And some promises matter more than others - that whole no taxes on anyone under $250k of income was a bit more important than expanding the Senior Corps Volunteer program or expanding the Nurse-Family Partnership. I'd rather he keep his promise on say the 10 real biggies than miss on those and hit on all the small, narrow-reaching stuff. But I guess that wouldn't look great on a scorecard like this, eh?

You're right that some promises matter more than others. And the Contract With America failed in it's big promises. So, why do you give them the benefit of the doubt and hold Obama to a different standard? Especially since you label yourself a "nonpartisan hack."

[Baldy]

You're right that some promises matter more than others. And the Contract With America failed in it's big promises. So, why do you give them the benefit of the doubt and hold Obama to a different standard? Especially since you label yourself a "nonpartisan hack."

Actually, the Contract was a resounding success. Most of the promises, especially the big ones...like fiscal responsibility, tort reform, welfare reform, tax reform, etc. were fulfilled. The only problem is that after years of being in power, those promises weren't kept.

[GannonFan]

Truth be told, promises "in the works" means any promise that doesn't fit it into any other category. It's the catchall. And some promises matter more than others - that whole no taxes on anyone under $250k of income was a bit more important than expanding the Senior Corps Volunteer program or expanding the Nurse-Family Partnership. I'd rather he keep his promise on say the 10 real biggies than miss on those and hit on all the small, narrow-reaching stuff. But I guess that wouldn't look great on a scorecard like this, eh?

You're right that some promises matter more than others. And the Contract With America failed in it's big promises. So, why do you give them the benefit of the doubt and hold Obama to a different standard? Especially since you label yourself a "nonpartisan hack."

Huh? Where do you get any of that from? As Baldy said, plenty of the big stuff was acheived in the Contract - and then after too many years in power, those reforms and achievements proved to be all too temporary. And the party responsible for not following up on those promises was thoroughly trounced in elections and thrown out of power, as they deserved to be. How is that giving them the "benefit of the doubt"? Obviously, I'm a "nonpartisan hack" because I don't necessarily read my own biases into someone else's position - maybe more of us should be "nonpartisan hacks"?

[BDKJMU]

Truth be told, promises "in the works" means any promise that doesn't fit it into any other category. It's the catchall. And some promises matter more than others - that whole no taxes on anyone under $250k of income was a bit more important than expanding the Senior Corps Volunteer program or expanding the Nurse-Family Partnership. I'd rather he keep his promise on say the 10 real biggies than miss on those and hit on all the small, narrow-reaching stuff. But I guess that wouldn't look great on a scorecard like this, eh?

Exactly, if you look in the promises broken category, you see many of his big campaign promises on that scrap heap like:
1. No family making less than $250,000 will see "any form of tax increase."
2. Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN.
3. Create a public option health plan for a new National Health Insurance Exchange.
4. Support human mission to moon by 2020.
5. Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials.
6. Allow five days of public comment before signing bills.
7. Allow imported prescription drugs.
8. End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000
9. Allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms of a home mortgage.
10. Etc. etc. etc.

Thank God some of those promises were broken...

Compared to these, I think I can forgive him for not delivering a "State of the World" address or not recognizing the Armenian genocide.

You left off:
-Oceans stopped rising
-Planet began to heal

[Baldy]

Exactly, if you look in the promises broken category, you see many of his big campaign promises on that scrap heap like:
1. No family making less than $250,000 will see "any form of tax increase."
2. Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN.
3. Create a public option health plan for a new National Health Insurance Exchange.
4. Support human mission to moon by 2020.
5. Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials.
6. Allow five days of public comment before signing bills.
7. Allow imported prescription drugs.
8. End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000
9. Allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms of a home mortgage.
10. Etc. etc. etc.

Thank God some of those promises were broken...

Compared to these, I think I can forgive him for not delivering a "State of the World" address or not recognizing the Armenian genocide.

You left off:
-Oceans stopped rising
-Planet began to heal

Thank you, President Obama.

[death dealer]

KYJelly and MoanJeff: LMFFAO.

You are pathetic. The DNC and this administration could feed you a shit sandwich and call it chicken salad and you dumbfucks would order seconds. In fact, you have.

Not that your foils on the other side are any better. They seem incapable of learning from the past either. This nation is doomed as long as all the sheep like you douchebags keep feeding at the trough of utter bullshit that is the status quo.