How would you prove it?

[Gil Dobie]

If I'm in Arizona, I would probably have my passport with just in case I take a day-trip to Mexico. Living near an international border now a days, requires a passport to get back into the country. I'm going through a background check right now for a job, and a passport or birth certificate is required.

[JMU DJ]

"any valid United States federal, state, or local government issued identification", includes driver's licenses.
What part of that is so difficult to understand?

Puttin' that GSU edumuhcation to work I see. Guess you didn't read the first post.

A guy that works here employs a number of "un-documented" workers in his livestock farming operation, and all of them have a drivers liscense, insurance card, and vehicle registration.

Don't worry, no need to respond. 89Hen clarified this for me.

AFAIK, all the police are tied into a computer system. Your license will return your citizenship status.

[AZGrizFan]

That's the problem, How can anyone prove that they are a a U.S. Citizen.

It's called a passport. Look into it.

[AZGrizFan]

That's the problem, How can anyone prove that they are a a U.S. Citizen.

that's exactly the problem.

do we really want to become like the rest of the world where you have to carry a passport or some other form of federal issued govt ID card that must be presented on demand by any authority?

I dunno, that might be the answer in the long term.

Seriously? I thought that was Obama's whole POINT!!!

[Ibanez]

Birth Certifacte
SSN Card

Pop shot...proof of insurance and a paycheck...OH! I'M sORRY.

[AZGrizFan]

I feel like I'm in an Abbott and Costello routine. Which part is giving you the difficulty? If I'm a citizen, when I give the cop my license, he's going to easily find out I'm a citizen. If I'm an illegal, when the cop takes my license from me after cuffing me post-chase, he's going to easily find out I'm UN-DOCUMENTED.

Wasn't this the whole point of your question?

WHO'S ON FIRST????

[Baldy]

"any valid United States federal, state, or local government issued identification", includes driver's licenses.
What part of that is so difficult to understand?

Puttin' that GSU edumuhcation to work I see. Guess you didn't read the first post.

A guy that works here employs a number of "un-documented" workers in his livestock farming operation, and all of them have a drivers liscense, insurance card, and vehicle registration.

Wow...being that ignorant mustn't come easy for you.

According to the AZ law, if you produce a valid drivers license, you are automatically assumed to the a legal resident.

[JMU DJ]

Puttin' that GSU edumuhcation to work I see. Guess you didn't read the first post.

Wow...being that ignorant mustn't come easy for you.

According to the AZ law, if you produce a valid drivers license, you are automatically assumed to the a legal resident.

Oh, you meant a Valid Drivers license.


You mean the valid driver's licenses that illegal immigrants are able to obtain in certain states. Perhaps you missed that one earlier.

One's like this (yes, I'm aware laws in Florida and for Visas have changed since this instance):




One's that immigrants (legal and illegal) will be able to obtain right next door in New Mexico?

Driver's licenses are another document that can prove citizenship. But Gibson said companies with workers who travel back and forth from New Mexico - truck drivers, for example - are concerned. New Mexico does not require proof of citizenship to get a regular driver's license, and a New Mexico license would not be recognized as legal proof in Arizona.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/business/artic ... z0qPjjzjVj" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How do you determine immigration status if they have one of these valid drivers licenses? 89hen answered, not you. You conveniently left that out of the quote in your reply.

Gov. Brewer dodged this question earlier this week when asked if a Valid Driver's License was sufficient. She's also unsure of how an illegal will be identified.

What do the legal citizens from New Mexico do if their Valid Driver's license won't be recognized? I'm not from New Mexico, but I'm not carrying my validated birth certificate, social security card and passport every where I go like some of you schmucks.

How do you know the licenses obtained by those OBSF speaks about aren't "valid?" We can assume they are valid, but then I would expect you to assume that there aren't any illegals obtaining falsified documents to obtain those valid licenses.

Armed with fictitious birth certificates, utility bills, out-of-state licenses and other falsified documents, congressional investigators easily convinced motor vehicle agency employees around the country to issue genuine drivers licenses,

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3078924" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In the most egregious case, an undercover GAO investigator obtained a passport using counterfeit documents and the Social Security Number (SSN) of a man who died in 1965.

http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d09447high.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[AZGrizFan]

If they hold a license, but aren't in the computer system, then the license isn't valid simply because it LOOKS like it's valid.

[93henfan]

I didn't read the whole thread, so if this was already discussed, my apologies. Anyway, the State of Delaware, as one of the smaller states, is one of the early adopters of implementing the REAL ID Act of 2005. If I want to fly, take a train, or enter any federal facility in the US (and this applies to all US citizens by 2017, those born after 1964 by 2014), I will have to present a federally compliant driver license. To get one, I will have to "revalidate" my identity with DMV by bringing in my original birth certificate, social security card, and two other forms of identification.

See this article for more specifics: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs ... 0106010327

[Grizalltheway]

I didn't read the whole thread, so if this was already discussed, my apologies. Anyway, the State of Delaware, as one of the smaller states, is one of the early adopters of implementing the REAL ID Act of 2005. If I want to fly, take a train, or enter any federal facility in the US (and this applies to all US citizens by 2017, those born after 1964 by 2014), I will have to present a federally compliant driver license. To get one, I will have to "revalidate" my identity with DMV by bringing in my original birth certificate, social security card, and two other forms of identification.

See this article for more specifics: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs ... 0106010327

Another lovely parting gift from the Bush Admin.

[AZGrizFan]

I didn't read the whole thread, so if this was already discussed, my apologies. Anyway, the State of Delaware, as one of the smaller states, is one of the early adopters of implementing the REAL ID Act of 2005. If I want to fly, take a train, or enter any federal facility in the US (and this applies to all US citizens by 2017, those born after 1964 by 2014), I will have to present a federally compliant driver license. To get one, I will have to "revalidate" my identity with DMV by bringing in my original birth certificate, social security card, and two other forms of identification.

See this article for more specifics: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs ... 0106010327

Another lovely parting gift from the Bush Admin.

I have no problem with that law.

[JMU DJ]

If they hold a license, but aren't in the computer system, then the license isn't valid simply because it LOOKS like it's valid.

Der! I know this Z. Did you miss the part about people being able to obtain valid driver's licenses from various states DMV's (you get it from the DMV, it's in the computer system) without having to have a SSN? Or the part about using falsified records to obtain a valid license from the DMV? I'm not talking about getting a fake license here Z, it's pretty easy to get a legit one that's in the computer system, right next door in New Mexico as a matter of fact.