Historians vote Obama better than Reagan

[AZGrizFan]

This is the reason I switched from my history education/political science double major 3 days into it. I was taking 5 classes, all 5 had big projects/papers due at the end. Not a big deal there. However, when three of my five professors assign papers over how GWB was the worst president in history and how Obama will be able to lead America to it's greatest point in history (keep in mind this was before Obama was actually elected at the start of the Fall Semester of 2008). One of my poli sci classes was to study how media influences peoples beliefs, which I thought was a duh/great idea. However, we were to only study people like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and Fox News and how, as the professor put it, "Evil upper class white men who are for suppression of those who aren't like them are ruining the country". When I asked why we wouldn't also be studying people like Olbermann and the other CNN and MSNBC personalities as well, I was told that there was zero bias in anything they said, and that everything that they spewed was nearly 100% accurate.


I walked out of that classroom that Wednesday morning, walked into my advisors office told him I was leaving the major/college and to fill out my release.

Yeah right, it so fucking hard being a white man in this country........................

It is when 90% of the black men in this country think like you.

[kalm]

After 18 months? WAFJ.

Yeah, he's got a lot more work to do before he equals the level of Reagan's destruction of the middle class.

[∞∞∞]

Other than the founding fathers, James Polk should be #1. Promised four things during his campaign:
-Get California/New Mexico
-Get the Oregon Country
-Reduce tariffs
-Create Independent Treasury System (no longer exists)

Did all four and got the F out of the White House with the country in better shape for the next president. Didn't overpromise and simply did what he needed to. THAT should the be model of every president. Set some defined goals that will move the country forward, don't commit to things you can't do, and don't be everything to everyone.

[kalm]

Other than the founding fathers, James Polk should be #1. Promised four things during his campaign:
-Get California/New Mexico
-Get the Oregon Country
-Reduce tariffs
-Create Independent Treasury System (no longer exists)

Did all four and got the F out of the White House with the country in better shape for the next president. Didn't overpromise and simply did what he needed to. THAT should the be model of every president. Set some defined goals that will move the country forward, don't commit to things you can't do, and don't be everything to everyone.

I think I agree with that sentiment.

Wasn't Polk the 54-40 or Fight guy?

[AZGrizFan]

After 18 months? WAFJ.

Yeah, he's got a lot more work to do before he equals the level of Reagan's destruction of the middle class.

[∞∞∞]

Other than the founding fathers, James Polk should be #1. Promised four things during his campaign:
-Get California/New Mexico
-Get the Oregon Country
-Reduce tariffs
-Create Independent Treasury System (no longer exists)

Did all four and got the F out of the White House with the country in better shape for the next president. Didn't overpromise and simply did what he needed to. THAT should the be model of every president. Set some defined goals that will move the country forward, don't commit to things you can't do, and don't be everything to everyone.

I think I agree with that sentiment.

Wasn't Polk the 54-40 or Fight guy?

Yeah he was. He was all about "manifest destiny" and embodied the pioneer mentality of the times. Of course a lot of people disagreed with his policy that we should claim all the land to the Pacific Ocean (by force if we had to...like he did with the Mexican-American War), but like it or not, he got everything he promised done and that's respectable.

[Chizzang]

Yeah right, it so fucking hard being a white man in this country........................

It is when 90% of the black men in this country think like you.

Even if 99% of black men felt that way - so what...
Black men have virtually ZERO access to the real power structure in this country



Frankly it doesn't even matter what black Americans think if it's not completely accepted by white Americans it won't effect a single thing and never has...

[AZGrizFan]

It is when 90% of the black men in this country think like you.

Even if 99% of black men felt that way - so what...
Black men have virtually ZERO access to the real power structure in this country



Frankly it doesn't even matter what black Americans think if it's not completely accepted by white Americans it won't effect a single thing and never has...

Really? They only needed about 45% of "White" Americans to accept Obama and the black man got him elected....

Go back to drooling in your porridge.

[Chizzang]

Even if 99% of black men felt that way - so what...
Black men have virtually ZERO access to the real power structure in this country



Frankly it doesn't even matter what black Americans think if it's not completely accepted by white Americans it won't effect a single thing and never has...

Really? They only needed about 45% of "White" Americans to accept Obama and the black man got him elected....

Go back to drooling in your porridge.

Isn't that still more people than voted for McSame..?



Correct me if I'm wrong here... but I believe Obama received 14.5% more votes than McCain - if you subtracted 100% of the black votes Obama still wins the election

[CitadelGrad]

7%.

[GannonFan]

Historians are historically bad at evaluating the present time in which they live. There's a reason these guys are historians. I wouldn't believe anything these guys say on things that have happened in their lifetimes - their expertise is on things that came before them. Historians in 100 years will be the real arbiters of guys like W and Obama.

[OL FU]

Historians are historically bad at evaluating the present time in which they live. There's a reason these guys are historians. I wouldn't believe anything these guys say on things that have happened in their lifetimes - their expertise is on things that came before them. Historians in 100 years will be the real arbiters of guys like W and Obama.

From the look of some of there choices, I suggest that rate Roman Emperors instead of American Presidents

[GannonFan]

Historians are historically bad at evaluating the present time in which they live. There's a reason these guys are historians. I wouldn't believe anything these guys say on things that have happened in their lifetimes - their expertise is on things that came before them. Historians in 100 years will be the real arbiters of guys like W and Obama.

From the look of some of there choices, I suggest that rate Roman Emperors instead of American Presidents

I'd agree with that - I mean, they have William Henry Harrison rated all over the place in each of those categories. I mean, I'm sure those were a pretty eventful 32 days he had to warrant those opinions.

[89Hen]

Really? They only needed about 45% of "White" Americans to accept Obama and the black man got him elected....

Go back to drooling in your porridge.

Isn't that still more people than voted for McSame..?



Correct me if I'm wrong here... but I believe Obama received 14.5% more votes than McCain - if you subtracted 100% of the black votes Obama still wins the election

Obama won thanks to women and children. Rather ironic that the first to usually be saved are the ones who caused the need to be saved in this case.

[89Hen]

Obama won thanks to women and children. Rather ironic that the first to usually be saved are the ones who caused the need to be saved in this case.

BTW, I can't even tell you how many of my friends' wives voted for Obama, and nearly all of them say they regret it now.

[ODUsmitty]

One constitutional amendment would solve the entire entitlement culture with which we are so infected.

Federal election voting rights are for those individuals who actually have a have a net contribution of federal tax revenue and those who have a net withdrawal of tax revenue get to sit on the sidelines. Feds issue a voucher after your federal income tax is submitted verifying eligibility.

States can do whatever they want for local elections.

[GannonFan]

One constitutional amendment would solve the entire entitlement culture with which we are so infected.

Federal election voting rights are for those individuals who actually have a have a net contribution of federal tax revenue and those who have a net withdrawal of tax revenue get to sit on the sidelines. Feds issue a voucher after your federal income tax is submitted verifying eligibility.

States can do whatever they want for local elections.

Yeah, super idea. Maybe we can bring back debtor prisons and 7 years indentured servitude too.

[AZGrizFan]

Correct me if I'm wrong here... but I believe Obama received 14.5% more votes than McCain - if you subtracted 100% of the black votes Obama still wins the election

You're wrong here. Obama won by 10,000,000 votes. He had 12,000,000 more black votes.

[AZGrizFan]

One constitutional amendment would solve the entire entitlement culture with which we are so infected.

Federal election voting rights are for those individuals who actually have a have a net contribution of federal tax revenue and those who have a net withdrawal of tax revenue get to sit on the sidelines. Feds issue a voucher after your federal income tax is submitted verifying eligibility.

States can do whatever they want for local elections.

Yeah, super idea. Maybe we can bring back debtor prisons and 7 years indentured servitude too.

+1

[Chizzang]

Correct me if I'm wrong here... but I believe Obama received 14.5% more votes than McCain - if you subtracted 100% of the black votes Obama still wins the election

You're wrong here. Obama won by 10,000,000 votes. He had 12,000,000 more black votes.

This will actually be interesting to verify...
I'm not saying your wrong - I'm just interested now

[AZGrizFan]

You're wrong here. Obama won by 10,000,000 votes. He had 12,000,000 more black votes.

This will actually be interesting to verify...
I'm not saying your wrong - I'm just interested now

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The Illinois senator won 43 percent of white voters, 4 percentage points below Carter’s performance in 1976 and equal to what Bill Clinton won in the three-man race of 1996. Republican John McCain won 55 percent of the white vote.

Fully 96 percent of black voters supported Obama and constituted 13 percent of the electorate, a 2-percentage-point rise in their national turnout. As in past years, black women turned out at a higher rate than black men.

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Popular vote: Obama: 69,456,897, McCain: 59,934,814

Obama got 96% of 15.9 million votes....or 15,264,000 votes from African Americans. 636,000 African Americans didn't have their head planted firmly up their asses and voted McCain. A difference of 14,628,000. Obama won by less than 10,000,000 votes.

Suck it.

[CitadelGrad]

According to CNN, the 2008 final tally was:

Obama 66,882,230 (53%)
McCain 58,343,671 (46%)

That is a difference of approx. 8.5 million votes, not 10 million.

[Chizzang]

Obama got 96% of 15.9 million votes....or 15,264,000 votes from African Americans. 636,000 African Americans didn't have their head planted firmly up their asses and voted McCain. A difference of 14,628,000. Obama won by less than 10,000,000 votes.

Suck it.

well played sir

[citdog]

One constitutional amendment would solve the entire entitlement culture with which we are so infected.

Federal election voting rights are for those individuals who actually have a have a net contribution of federal tax revenue and those who have a net withdrawal of tax revenue get to sit on the sidelines. Feds issue a voucher after your federal income tax is submitted verifying eligibility.

States can do whatever they want for local elections.

Yeah, super idea. Maybe we can bring back debtor prisons and 7 years indentured servitude too.

i would prefer to "hire my servants for life"

[ODUsmitty]

Other than the founding fathers, James Polk should be #1. Promised four things during his campaign:
-Get California/New Mexico
-Get the Oregon Country
-Reduce tariffs
-Create Independent Treasury System (no longer exists)

Upon further review, Polk was a massive failure. We'd have been much better off never getting California and Oregon.