Eliminate Most Gun Control Laws

[dbackjon]

Why do you need a big magazine? It is not applicable for hunting or self-defense.

Why do you feel the need to limit a magazine size?

I am just trying to figure out why you need it. Do you think there should be no restrictions whatsoever on any firearm? Machine Guns ok? Bazookas? Surface-to-air missiles? Armor piercing bullets?

[mainejeff]

What are the federal laws that are so restrictive of gun rights? What would y'all like to see overturned?

I'm a gun owner and have never had much of a problem owning and using my guns.

Unfortunately you haven't put the barrel into your mouth and squeezed the trigger.

We can only hope that you do.......soon.

[mainejeff]

More harm can (and has) been done in this country by idiots at the ballot box than by people who keep and bear arms....

Yeah........cause no gun owners are the "idiots at the ballot box".

[mainejeff]

OK, maybe I just don't pay attention, but "approximately 40% of American households" own a gun?? That # strikes me as really high. Just wondering where they come up with that #, I'd think the # would be about half of that maybe.....

It's bunk statistics.

They added up all the guns in the US, divided by the number of households and conclude 40% of households own a gun. But, that assumes everyone owns only 1 gun... which is bullshit.

There's probably about 10,000 people out there that own 50% of the guns.

[mainejeff]

It's bunk statistics.

They added up all the guns in the US, divided by the number of households and conclude 40% of households own a gun. But, that assumes everyone owns only 1 gun... which is bullshit.

If that were the case, per household gun ownership in the US would be 100%+.

You can bet your mortgage that there are over 300,000,000 civilian owned firearms the USA.

Oooooohhh.......I'm shaking in my boots!

You still have a tiny penis.

[mainejeff]

Why do you need a big magazine? It is not applicable for hunting or self-defense.

Because he was born that way (over compensation syndrome ).

[clenz]

Why do you feel the need to limit a magazine size?

I am just trying to figure out why you need it. Do you think there should be no restrictions whatsoever on any firearm? Machine Guns ok? Bazookas? Surface-to-air missiles? Armor piercing bullets?

I'm applying for my concealed weapons permit in the state of Iowa, and reading through some stuff I feel like Iowa has some pretty good standards for "regulations"

Carrying Weapons
Offensive weapons are illegal in Iowa and
cannot be owned or carried by the general
population. To carry a dangerous weapon
concealed on or about your person, a valid
permit to carry weapons is required.
♦ Offensive weapons - machine guns, short
barreled rifles (less than 16” in length) and
shotguns (barrels less than 18” in length or
overall length less than 26”), other weapons
which fire a projectile and have a barrel
6/10th of an inch or greater in diameter,
bombs, grenades, firearm silencers, mines,
poison gas, rockets with more than four
ounces of propellant, ballistic knives,
exploding shells and similar items.
♦ Dangerous weapons - devices designed
primarily for use in inflicting death or injury
including, but not limited to, offensive
weapons, pistols, revolvers, other firearms,
daggers, razors, stilettos, switchblade
knives, or any knife with a blade exceeding
five inches.
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Ammunition Restrictions
Iowa law prohibits the possession of:
♦ exploding bullets (classified as offensive
weapons in 724.1 and prohibited in 724.3)
♦ fireball type ammunition, also known as
dragon’s breath (classified as offensive
weapons in 724.1 and prohibited in 724.3)
-------------------------------------------------------
Acquiring and Possessing Firearms in Iowa
The acquisition and possession of firearms in
Iowa are regulated by both federal and state law.
All requirements must be met.
Federal Regulations – You may not acquire or
possess a firearm if you:
♦ Are under indictment for or have been
convicted of a felony
♦ Are a fugitive from justice
♦ Are an unlawful user of or are addicted to
any controlled substance
♦ Have been adjudicated as a mental defective
or have been committed to a mental
institution
♦ Are an illegal alien
♦ Have been discharged from the Armed
Forces under dishonorable conditions
♦ Have renounced your US citizenship
♦ Are subject to a court order that restrains you
from harassing, stalking or threatening your
intimate partner, your child, or the child of
your intimate partner
♦ Have been convicted of a misdemeanor
crime of domestic violence
Iowa Regulations – Iowa law contains additional
minimum requirements for permits to carry and
permits to acquire. You do not qualify if you:
♦ Are under the age of 18 for permit to carry or
under the age of 21 for permit to acquire
(see Juveniles and Firearms section in this
brochure)
♦ Are addicted to the use of alcohol or any
controlled substance
♦ Have a history of repeated acts of violence
♦ Constitute a danger to any person as
determined by the issuing officer (permit to
carry)
♦ Have ever been convicted of any of the
following in chapter 708 of the Iowa Code:
~ domestic abuse
~ hate crime
~ assault on a peace officer, jailer,
correctional staff member, fire fighter or
health care provider
~ setting a spring gun or trap
~ hazing
~ stalking
Iowa Sheriffs and the Commissioner of the Iowa
Department of Public Safety may impose
additional requirements for permits to carry.

http://www.dps.state.ia.us/asd/weapons/wbrochure.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you are curious as to what the application looks like here is a link to both, http://www.bhcso.org/ContentPage.aspx?id=72" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Each counties sheriff is in charge of deciding if you get the concealed permit or not. Some counties are much tougher than others to get it. Most, as long as you have a valid reason, have no problem with it. Some sheriffs, though, don't like anyone other than cops having guns.



As for your question as to what firearms should be illegal for private citizens. I don't feel there is a need for anyone to own rocket launchers, RPG's, bazookas, S2A missiles, or even a heavy machine gunetc... However, the standard LMG, pistol, shot gun, rifle, etc... I have no problem with.

[Skjellyfetti]

Allow an adult who is legally able (not a felon, not mentally ill) to own a firearm, to carry it concealed or open for self-defense...

Eliminate restrictions on magazine size...

That's a start...

Concealed carry laws are the option of the locality. You may disagree... and that's fine. But, it's constitutional for a city, town, or state to disallow concealed weapons. The Supreme Court has ruled as far back as the 19th century that laws banning concealed weapons are constitutional. If you're hoping for concealed weapons to be legal nationally... you're going to be disappointed... even the most conservative justices on the Supreme Court agree with me:

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues ... The majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues.

And, pretty sure there are no restrictions on magazine size anymore since the assault weapon ban lapsed. You can buy a fucking 100 round magazine for your AR-15 now. There may be local laws restricting it, I dunno. But, you're free to move somewhere else if you don't like it.


So, your only legit gripe is with concealed carry laws... laws that even Antonin Scalia believes are constitutional?

[CID1990]

Wish you could share that karma with those libs in Chicago...Washington...Massachusetts...California...Maryland...and a few other locations...

Should this be a "states Rights" thing too...
Or does that only apply to your pet issues - just wondering - cause this seems to fall right in line with that

If California wants different gun control laws than Maryland or Utah - okay...
Let the people of the state decide ...

so what.. (Right..?)

Disappointed in you Chizz... leave the hyperbole to Howndawg and Dback.

You know good and well that gun ownership is directly addressed in the US Constitution, and you're damn sure smarter than that sh!t.

Unless you were just trying to throw a little gas on the fire with some well crafted bullsh!t, in which case please excuse me.

[Col Hogan]

And, pretty sure there are no restrictions on magazine size anymore since the assault weapon ban lapsed. You can buy a **** 100 round magazine for your AR-15 now. There may be local laws restricting it, I dunno. But, you're free to move somewhere else if you don't like it.


So, your only legit gripe is with concealed carry laws... laws that even Antonin Scalia believes are constitutional?

FAIL

“State Restrictions on Magazines, Chemical Sprays and Stun Guns”


High Capacity Magazine Banned or Restricted 11/27/08


If state is not listed then higher capacity magazines are legal.


California Large Capacity Magazines

With limited exceptions, California law prohibits any person from manufacturing, importing into
the state, keeping for sale, offering or exposing for sale, giving, or lending any large capacity
magazine. Cal. Penal Code § 12020(a)(2), (b). A "large capacity magazine" is defined as any
ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than ten rounds, but does not include
any .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device, any feeding device that has been permanent ly
altered so that it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds, or any tubular magazine that is
contained in a lever* action firearm. Section 12020(c)(25). California does not ban the possession of
large capacity magazines.

Upon a showing of good cause, the California Department of Justice may issue permits for the
possession, transportation, or sale of large capacity ammunition magazines between a licensed
California firearms dealer and an out* of* state customer. Section 12079(a). This requirement applies
for only the out* of* state importation and exportation of large capacity ammunition magazines,
including the transportation of such magazines as necessary to complete a transfer to or from an out
of state source. See Cal. Code Regs. tit. 11, § 978.40.

Large capacity magazines may be manufactured for any federal, state, or local government or law
enforcement agency, or for use by agency employees in the discharge of their official duties,
whether on or off duty. Section 12020(b)(30). Large capacity magazines may also be purchased or
loaned for the sole use as a motion picture, television or video prop. Section 12020(b)(31), (32)(A).
Such magazines may also be resold to law enforcement agencies, government agencies, or the
military, pursuant to applicable federal regulations. Section 12020(b)(32)(C).

For additional large capacity ammunition magazine regulations, see Cal. Code Regs. tit. 11, §§
978.40*978.44.


Hawaii High Capacity Ammunition Magazines

“The manufacture, possession, sale, barter, trade, gift, transfer, or acquisition of detachable
ammunition magazines with a capacit y in excess of ten rounds which are designed for or capable of
use with a pistol is prohibited." Haw. Rev. St at. § 134*8(c).

Illinois

Aurora
(§ 29*49) bans the possession, sale, or acquisition of large capacity feeding devices
(magazines with a capacity of more than 15 rounds).

Chicago
(§ 8*20*030(i) and 8*24*025) bans the transfer, acquisition or possession of assault
ammunition (any ammunition magazine having a capacity of more than 12 rounds).

Franklin Park
(§ 3*13G*3) bans the transfer, acquisition, possession, manufacture or distribution of assault
ammunition (any detachable ammunition magazine having a capacity of more than 16
rounds).

Oak Park
(§§ 27*2*1 and 27*1*2) bans the possession and sale of large capacity feeding devices
(magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds).

Riverdale
(§ 5.120.180 and 5.120.190) bans the possession, transfer, acquisition or manufacture of
assault ammunition (a detachable magazine box with a capacity of “more than 35 rounds
centerfire.”).

Maryland High Capacity Magazines
“A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable
magazine that has a capacity of more than 20 rounds of ammunition for a firearm.” Md. Criminal
Law Code § 4*305(b). This section does not apply to a .22 caliber rifle with a tubular magazine.
Section 4*305(a).

Massachusetts Large Capacity Feeding Devices
The sale, offering for sale, transfer or possession of large capacity feeding devices for assault
weapons (as defined under Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 140, § 121), is prohibited unless such device was
lawfully possessed on September 13, 1994. Ch. 140, § 131M.
Under Massachusetts law, a “large capacity feeding device” is defined as: “(i) a fixed or detachable
magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily
converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a
large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational
Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such sect ion on
September 13, 1994.” Ch. 140, § 121. This does not include “an attached tubular device designed to
accept, and capable of operating only wit h, .22 caliber ammunition.” Id.
Large capacity feeding devices designed for large capacity rifles and shotguns may be lawfully
possessed by a holder of a Class A or B license to carry. Ch. 140, § 131(a), (b)(ii). Large capacity
feeding devices designed for handguns may be possessed only by persons holding a Class A license
to carry. Ch. 140, § 131(a).
The Massachusetts Secretary of Public Safety (“Secretary”) is required to compile and publish a
roster of large capacity handguns, rifles, shotguns and feeding devices for those firearms, as those
weapons and devices are defined in Ch. 140, § 121. Ch. 140, § 131 3/4. The Secretary may amend
the roster upon his or her own initiative, upon the initiative of the Gun Control Advisory Board
under Ch. 140, § 131 1/2, or upon the petition of any person seeking to place a weapon on or
remove a weapon from the roster. Ch. 140, § 131 3/4.

New Jersey Large Capacity Feeding Devices
New Jersey prohibits the manufacture, transport, shipment, sale or disposal of large capacity
ammunition magazines, unless the magazine is intended to be used for authorized military or law
enforcement purposes. N.J. Rev. Stat § 2C:39*9h. New Jersey law defines “large capacity
ammunition magazine” as a box, drum, tube or other container which is capable of holding more
than 15 rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly into a semi*automatic firearm.
Section 2C:39*1y

New York Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device
It is a class D felony to manufacture, transport, dispose of, or possess a large capacity ammunition
feeding device, which N.Y. Penal Law § 265.00(23) defines as "a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip,
or similar device" manufactured after September 13, 1994, "that has a capacity of, or that can be
readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition." Section 265.02.

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[Col Hogan]

And, pretty sure there are no restrictions on magazine size anymore since the assault weapon ban lapsed. You can buy a **** 100 round magazine for your AR-15 now. There may be local laws restricting it, I dunno. But, you're free to move somewhere else if you don't like it.

Kinda like all those folks moving out of Arizona...

[93henfan]

Disappointed in you Chizz... leave the hyperbole to Howndawg and Dback.

You know good and well that gun ownership is directly addressed in the US Constitution, and you're damn sure smarter than that sh!t.

Unless you were just trying to throw a little gas on the fire with some well crafted bullsh!t, in which case please excuse me.

Naw, he'd never do something like that.

[dbackjon]

Again, why do YOU NEED a large magazine? And why would THAT be covered by the Second Amendment? Restricting a magazine size has NOTHING TO DO WITH RIGHT TO OWN THE GUN ITSELF.

[93henfan]

Again, why do YOU NEED a large magazine?

One home invasion technique around here is for a van to pull up to a residence, four homies get out, simply kick in the door, subdue any residents, and clean the place out.

What do you think is a reasonable amount of ammunition for me to defend myself and family in that situation? Should I be limited to a ten round magazine? That would force me to have 80% accuracy in a dark, chaotic environment if I were to double-tap every criminal and not get hit once myself. I'm guessing I'd fail and my family would all be executed.

[Col Hogan]

Again, why do YOU NEED a large magazine? And why would THAT be covered by the Second Amendment? Restricting a magazine size has NOTHING TO DO WITH RIGHT TO OWN THE GUN ITSELF.

The magazine is PART of the weapon...

Why are engines that can go faster than the speed limit allowed in vehicles???

Why are people allowed to make more money than they need???

Why is a limiting question...why do you want to limit the magazine size...

A Glock 23 is engineered with a 13 round magazine...it comes from the factory with a 13 round magazine sine that is how it is engineered...in certain states, the company has to go in and remove the factory magazine and insert a smaller magazine...

Why aren't you trying to limit......









Wait....donks are all for limiting...limiting transfats (because adults can't make responsible decision for themselves)...soda (again, government needs to make the decisions to limit to "save the children")...limiting weapons (listen to the vile coming from Mayor Dailey of Chicago or Mayor Bloomberg of NYC)...


BOTTOM LINE: If I want to carry 13 or 15 rounds in my weapon...why do you want to limit it???

[dbackjon]

It is amazing how normally rational people turn into screaming drama queens when the topic of any gun law is mentioned.

Let's recap:

I stated I was not in favor of any restrictions on weapons for normal hunting/self defense.

That was countered with "any gun law is taking away my rights"

I countered that even the first amendment has restrictions.

That was countered with "why do you want to take away my guns?"

I asked WHY do you need an unlimited magazine? Finally, after repeated asking, and hysterics from the unrestricted gun side, I get a couple of reasonable answers.

Is a magazine of 13 or 15 rounds unreasonable? IMHO, no. What is the largest magazine you can get? Knowing that information might help as well

[bobbythekidd]

With larger magazines you don't have to stop and reload as often. It makes target shooting a lot more fun.

[Chizzang]

Should this be a "states Rights" thing too...
Or does that only apply to your pet issues - just wondering - cause this seems to fall right in line with that

If California wants different gun control laws than Maryland or Utah - okay...
Let the people of the state decide ...

so what.. (Right..?)

Disappointed in you Chizz... leave the hyperbole to Howndawg and Dback.

You know good and well that gun ownership is directly addressed in the US Constitution, and you're damn sure smarter than that sh!t.

Unless you were just trying to throw a little gas on the fire with some well crafted bullsh!t, in which case please excuse me.

If I coulda found a way to get baby Jeezus in there
and abortion doctors plus a subtle nod to the Tea Party I would have...




Remember: I know Citdog - these HOT buttons are like clockwork - push and stand back

[dbackjon]

With larger magazines you don't have to stop and reload as often. It makes target shooting a lot more fun.

OK - another good answer - so how big do you want one?

[Skjellyfetti]

Again, why do YOU NEED a large magazine?

One home invasion technique around here is for a van to pull up to a residence, four homies get out, simply kick in the door, subdue any residents, and clean the place out.

What do you think is a reasonable amount of ammunition for me to defend myself and family in that situation? Should I be limited to a ten round magazine? That would force me to have 80% accuracy in a dark, chaotic environment if I were to double-tap every criminal and not get hit once myself. I'm guessing I'd fail and my family would all be executed.

What is an unreasonable amount of ammunition? If I'm going to be firing my gun indoors in a dark, chaotic environment... with my kids and wife behind the walls I'm shooting at... I better damn well have 80% accuracy. The last thing I'd want is a high capacity magazine spraying bullets everywhere... I'd easily take out the "homies" and possibly take out a sleeping kid.

If you're that scared about your accuracy... get a second pistol... 2 x 10 round magazine means you only need 40% accuracy!! You dont' need a fucking high capacity magazine to ward of the home invasion........


AR-15 with 100-round magazine that is legal everywhere but the 6 states and 3 cities that Col Hogan provided in his link:


What is the practical application of that? Defending against home invasion? Hunting?

[bobbythekidd]

With larger magazines you don't have to stop and reload as often. It makes target shooting a lot more fun.

OK - another good answer - so how big do you want one?

If I could afford to waste the money on the ammo, I'd get a weapon with 2 drum mags for the range. On the other hand, when I carry a concealed weapon, I am hiding it on my person. It doesn't make any sense to me to carry a small pistol and give that fact away by having a 14 inch magazine. But I don't care if you want to do that.

[clenz]

OK - another good answer - so how big do you want one?

If I could afford to waste the money on the ammo, I'd get a weapon with 2 drum mags for the range. On the other hand, when I carry a concealed weapon, I am hiding it on my person. It doesn't make any sense to me to carry a small pistol and give that fact away by having a 14 inch magazine. But I don't care if you want to do that.

I have family that has 20 round clips for their rifles, and I think some have extra clips that hold a lot more.


However like Bob Dammit said, for a concealed weapon the standard 10 round clip should work. Now, there are ways to carry second clips as well, so depending how good at reloading one is they could have a "20 round clip"

[Col Hogan]

Jon...why are you avoiding my question???

Why do you want to limit the size of a magazine that I can purchase???

[dbackjon]

Jon...why are you avoiding my question???

Why do you want to limit the size of a magazine that I can purchase???

Never did I say I wanted to. And despite your hysterics on this, it is clear that very few locales actually do so. I have been trying to figure out WHY some would limit, and WHY some don't think it should be limited.

[Col Hogan]

OK - another good answer - so how big do you want one?

If I could afford to waste the money on the ammo, I'd get a weapon with 2 drum mags for the range. On the other hand, when I carry a concealed weapon, I am hiding it on my person. It doesn't make any sense to me to carry a small pistol and give that fact away by having a 14 inch magazine. But I don't care if you want to do that.

What...you don't want to conceal carry with a 33-round mag???