Department of Justice Enabling Nationwide Voter Fraud?

[Gil Dobie]

Clains the Minnesota Majority

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Minnesota Majority has been calling for an investigation into violations of federal election law in Minnesota for nearly two years. That call has gone unanswered by the US Department of Justice. Now we are finding out why.

Former Justice Department attorney J. Christian Adams testified before the US Commission on Civil Rights that the current administration of the United States Department of Justice has a policy of not enforcing anti-fraud provisions of federal election law. Because Minnesota allows Election Day registration, we are exempt from certain provisions of the National Voter Rights Act (NVRA), but the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) contains similar provisions. Specifically, Section 303(a) of HAVA requires that the states perform voter registration list maintenance to remove deceased and ineligible voters (including felons and those who’ve moved out of state). This is an anti-voter-fraud measure that, according to Adams, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Julie Fernandes refuses to enforce.

Adams quoted Ferndandes as saying, “We're not interested in those kind of cases. What do they have to do with helping increase minority access and turnout? We want to increase access to the ballot, not limit it.”

She evidently doesn't want to limit access to the ballot by ineligible felons, dead people and people who don't live in the state they are voting in, because the law in question requires such names to be purged from the voter registration rolls to prevent needless errors and abuse.

[CitadelGrad]

There's nothing to see here, Citizen. Move along now.

[dbackjon]

Start investigating REAL voter fraud, as perpatrated by Diebold and other electronic voting systems.

Then move on to the systematic exclusion of minority voters in Georgia.

[Col Hogan]

Start investigating REAL voter fraud, as perpatrated by Diebold and other electronic voting systems.

Then move on to the systematic exclusion of minority voters in Georgia.

[Rob Iola]

Start investigating REAL voter fraud, as perpatrated by Diebold and other electronic voting systems.

Then move on to the systematic exclusion of minority voters in Georgia.

Jon, there are so many real injustices out there, such as prohibitions to gay marriage, for you to fight against - why are you diminishing your credibility by spouting off this nonsense? The biggest voter "fraud" issue in history, if you want to call it that, was the whole Gore v. Bush fight in 2000 where it was the butterfly ballot and paper-based punchcard voting machines, coupled with stupid voters, that caused the problems. One solution proposed in the wake of that fiasco was increased use of electronic voting systems.

[dbackjon]

Start investigating REAL voter fraud, as perpatrated by Diebold and other electronic voting systems.

Then move on to the systematic exclusion of minority voters in Georgia.

Jon, there are so many real injustices out there, such as prohibitions to gay marriage, for you to fight against - why are you diminishing your credibility by spouting off this nonsense? The biggest voter "fraud" issue in history, if you want to call it that, was the whole Gore v. Bush fight in 2000 where it was the butterfly ballot and paper-based punchcard voting machines, coupled with stupid voters, that caused the problems. One solution proposed in the wake of that fiasco was increased use of electronic voting systems.

The Florida ballot was just a stupid set up.

One very real issue with electronic voting is lack of traceablity. Not having a paper record, proprietary software, and unaccountability make electronic voting prone to mistakes and outright fraud. Too many cases of electronic voting machines changing/misrecording votes for it to be trusted without paper backup, and open/auditable software.

[Rob Iola]

Jon, there are so many real injustices out there, such as prohibitions to gay marriage, for you to fight against - why are you diminishing your credibility by spouting off this nonsense? The biggest voter "fraud" issue in history, if you want to call it that, was the whole Gore v. Bush fight in 2000 where it was the butterfly ballot and paper-based punchcard voting machines, coupled with stupid voters, that caused the problems. One solution proposed in the wake of that fiasco was increased use of electronic voting systems.

The Florida ballot was just a stupid set up.

One very real issue with electronic voting is lack of traceablity. Not having a paper record, proprietary software, and unaccountability make electronic voting prone to mistakes and outright fraud. Too many cases of electronic voting machines changing/misrecording votes for it to be trusted without paper backup, and open/auditable software.

OK - then work to fix the system, and in the meantime document the mistakes.

But to blindly make fraud accusations without evidence is a very weak argument against the documented cases of ineligible felons voting in Minnesota (and elsewhere) and the Black Panthers intimidating voters in Philadelphia, among other instances of clear-cut fraud...

[citdog]

Then move on to the systematic exclusion of minority voters in Georgia.

bullshit you fucking queen. the occupied State of Georgia doesn't get to run it's own elections. because Georgia and the other SOVEREIGN States that make up the Confederacy are treated differently than the other States in this "union". the dept of justice of "the late united states" oversee elections here. so blame YOUR BOY.

[Baldy]

Start investigating REAL voter fraud, as perpatrated by Diebold and other electronic voting systems.

Then move on to the systematic exclusion of minority voters in Georgia.

Systematic exclusion of minority voters in Georgia?

Fuggin' hilarious. When Donks win, everything is OK, but as soon as they lose the excuses come flying. Mark my words, as soon as the elections are over in November and the Donks take it in the rear all we will hear will be baseless cries of stolen elections, voter fraud, the "systematic exclusion of minority voters", voter intimidation, etc.

[andy7171]

I love that the citdog is back with us.

[grizzaholic]

I love that the citdog is back with us.

Me too!!!

[travelinman67]

Start investigating REAL voter fraud, as perpatrated by Diebold and other electronic voting systems.

Then move on to the systematic exclusion of minority voters in Georgia, systemic voter intimidation by Gay Rights groups in California, and "Motor Voter" laws passed by Dem legislatures.

FIFY

[hank scorpio]

Below are the points submitted to the DOJ on November 17, 2008, and they are typical of scare tactics used by a group such as this. By no means am I saying that there was no fraud committed, but I think they are trying to blow things way out of proportion. BTW, this is what I do for a living.

IMO

• POTENTIAL DUPLICATE VOTER REGISTRATION RECORDS: We discovered thousands of voter
registration records that have an exact match on the criteria of first name, middle name, last name and
birth year.

Out of a population of 5.2 million, I'm sure there are duplicates. Also, I'm sure that prior to the HAVA laws each county maintained their own database, leaving the potential for duplicate voters. This was the situation in MT and in 2005 when we went live with our statewide database, it left us the task of sifting through potential duplicates. Old "cancelled" files for voters from other counties most likeley exist in abundunce to this day in MN, but a cancelled voter will not show up in a precinct register or be issued an absentee ballot.

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VACANT AND NON-DELIVERABLE ADDRESSES: The United States Postal Service has flagged
nearly 100,000 voter registration records as being either “vacant” or “undeliverable”. We visited
approximately two-dozen of these addresses to verify the USPS results and discovered approximately
50% of the addresses to be correctly flagged, in that the addresses did not exist. We have taken
photographs of empty lots and non-existent addresses where our investigation revealed invalid addresses.

Keep in mind that Non-deliverable addresses include people that have moved but have not informed their local election department about it. At any given time, about 15% of the voters in Billings (10,000-15,000) would fall in this category. Poor hand writing on registration cards and clerical errors would most likely account for the majority of these other non existent addresses.

• DEFICIENT VOTER REGISTRATIONS: Minnesota Statute 201.071 requires voter registrations
recorded after August 1, 1983 to include the voter's name, address, date of birth and signature. We
discovered thousands of voter registrations that would be considered “deficient” under Minnesota law
due to missing or invalid information. Minnesota law requires these deficient registrations to be
corrected before an individual is allowed to vote.

Does MN have pending and provisional registration? I am sure they do, meaning a voter file is flagged and must be updated before a ballot will be issued or counted.

• DECEASED VOTERS: Using a standard deceased matching service commonly utilized by mailing
houses, we discovered thousands of apparently deceased individuals who are still on the voter rolls.

Department of Health and Human Services notifications run about 3 months behind a death. MT law requires DHHS notice, copy of death certificate, or a published obituary to cancel a voter and I would bet MN law is very similar. Also, Federal Law requires ID to recieve a ballot making this arguement even less important. It is classic arguement that never seems to lose its power.

• DOUBLE VOTING: We found nearly 100 cases in which voter registration and voter history records
suggest that a single voter may have voted more than once in a single election. There are thousands of
additional records that merit review.

Are we talking about the dupilcate names again? Are we talking about voting by mail and then showing up at the polls? This a broad statement to say the least.

• OTHER INCONSISTENCIES: We have discovered several thousand voters registered after August 1,
1983 that had birth years suggesting these individuals are 108 years of age or older. We also found
nearly 2,000 individuals who appear to have registered and voted before the age of 18.

Most likely clerical errors with the over 108. The under 18 is interesting though. Our system will not allow a ballot to be issued unless the voter is 18, but you may create a file that will automatically "release" the voter onto the rolls once the birthday happens.

TTBisonfan needs be in on this one.

[Skjellyfetti]

[Gil Dobie]

Glad to see someone doesn't believe there is any voter fraud.

[Gil Dobie]

Does MN have pending and provisional registration? I am sure they do, meaning a voter file is flagged and must be updated before a ballot will be issued or counted.

You show up, give a worker your name and address without presenting an ID, then give you a ballot and then go vote. At least that is the process in my precinct.

[Col Hogan]

Glad to see someone doesn't believe there is any voter fraud.

Remember...his guy won...

If Coleman had been declared the winner...KY would have been screaming at the top of his lungs...

[Gil Dobie]

Minnesota Public Radio Link

Ramsey County officials say they've charged 28 people for illegally voting or registering to vote in the 2008 election and are investigating more than 180 more.

"That race is over. It's been decided. We have Sen. Franken and there's no changing that," he said. "What I'm concerned with is protecting the integrity of the upcoming election so that every voter knows confidently when they walk into the polling place that their vote is going to count and not be disenfranchised by illegitimate votes."

McGrath says requiring a photo id at the polls along with an electronic system to scan for felons is the best option to fix the system.

[Skjellyfetti]

Glad to see someone doesn't believe there is any voter fraud.

Do you not see the gap between the existence of voter fraud... and the charge that the Department of Justice is "enabling" it.

Of course there's voter fraud. But, you better have some serious evidence if you're going to accuse the Department of Justice. Evidence your links don't provide.

[Gil Dobie]

Glad to see someone doesn't believe there is any voter fraud.

Do you not see the gap between the existence of voter fraud... and the charge that the Department of Justice is "enabling" it.

Of course there's voter fraud. But, you better have some serious evidence if you're going to accuse the Department of Justice. Evidence your links don't provide.

I'm not accusing the Department of Justice of anything. The title of the thread is the title of the article in the link.

[Skjellyfetti]

I'm not accusing the Department of Justice of anything. The title of the thread is the title of the article in the link.

And that's the same excuse you gave after to started the thread about Obama murdering his gay lover on AGS a couple of years ago... and citing alt.conspiracy google newsgroup as your source.

"Oh, I'm not saying I believe Obama murdered his gay lover. Just stating what the article says."

[Gil Dobie]

I'm not accusing the Department of Justice of anything. The title of the thread is the title of the article in the link.

And that's the same excuse you gave after to started the thread about Obama murdering his gay lover on AGS a couple of years ago... and citing alt.conspiracy google newsgroup as your source.

"Oh, I'm not saying I believe Obama murdered his gay lover. Just stating what the article says."

So you are saying Obama murdered his gay lover

[Skjellyfetti]