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Essentially its just a lack of elite female athletes in comparison to the number of women's programs which leads to a concentration of power at schools like UConn for WBB and Penn State for WVB). The question really is a "Chicken or the egg" situation though.JayJ79 wrote:No, not the naked type of streaking...
(though I heartily endorse women who chose to participate in that type of streaking.
Penn State volleyball has won 102 matches in a row.
UConn WBB has won 78 games in a row.
It seems to me that lengthy streaks happen more often, and extend longer in womens sports.
Why does that happen? (or at least what are your thoughts about why it happens more in womens sports)
I agree with the notion of there being a lack of elite female athletes (many males devote the majority of their lives to athletics, while women tend to always have other pursuits beyond sports).danefan wrote:Essentially its just a lack of elite female athletes in comparison to the number of women's programs which leads to a concentration of power at schools like UConn for WBB and Penn State for WVB). The question really is a "Chicken or the egg" situation though.
DId Title IX cause the problem by forcing the existence of too many women's programs?
Or did Title IX solve the problem and we just have to wait for women to have more history participating in competitive sports?
Too many programs in comparison the number of elite athletes.JayJ79 wrote:I agree with the notion of there being a lack of elite female athletes (many males devote the majority of their lives to athletics, while women tend to always have other pursuits beyond sports).danefan wrote:Essentially its just a lack of elite female athletes in comparison to the number of women's programs which leads to a concentration of power at schools like UConn for WBB and Penn State for WVB). The question really is a "Chicken or the egg" situation though.
DId Title IX cause the problem by forcing the existence of too many women's programs?
Or did Title IX solve the problem and we just have to wait for women to have more history participating in competitive sports?
And I can agree with the concentration of power.
But I don't see how that is the result of "too many programs". There are TONS of mens programs, and the vast majority don't have any elite athletes. Does that mean there are too many mens programs too?
Franks Tanks wrote:Overall women arent very good at sports. The ones that are good tend to end up at the same schools over and over again. Also a team with one or two elite women can really take over, there us much more parity and more athletes in mens sports.
Name a sport where women can beat men.SuperHornet wrote:Franks Tanks wrote:Overall women arent very good at sports. The ones that are good tend to end up at the same schools over and over again. Also a team with one or two elite women can really take over, there us much more parity and more athletes in mens sports.
This is probably the most misogynistic thing I've seen all year. There are plenty of examples of nearly perpetual male dominance, too. OK/NE/TX/ND football for decades. KY/NC/Duke hoops for ages.
And parity is hitting women's sports, too. The Big West (UOP/LBSU/Hawai'i) used to be pretty dominant in WVB, but the B(C)$ has pretty much taken them out. TN/ODU/UCONN were traditional powers in WBB, but ODU has been knocked out of that.
Drop the chauvinism. Girls are good athletes, too. In certain sports (tennis/gymnastics/soccer/volleyball), they get more pub. But there are girls who are good in EVERY sport, even if certain so-called men aren't secure enough in their own manhood enough to admit it.
So they should disband womens athletics, since most of the time, the men would beat the women.BlueHen86 wrote:Name a sport where women can beat men.
There is much less parity in women's sports. The current Penn State and UCONN teams are in the middle of the most dominant stretch in the history of NCAA athletics. The great dynasty's like UCLA basketball abd Oklahoma Football never dominated like these teams. In womens sports you see those High School basketball score of 100-0 or whatever it was, that simply doesnt happen with men.SuperHornet wrote:Franks Tanks wrote:Overall women arent very good at sports. The ones that are good tend to end up at the same schools over and over again. Also a team with one or two elite women can really take over, there us much more parity and more athletes in mens sports.
This is probably the most misogynistic thing I've seen all year. There are plenty of examples of nearly perpetual male dominance, too. OK/NE/TX/ND football for decades. KY/NC/Duke hoops for ages.
And parity is hitting women's sports, too. The Big West (UOP/LBSU/Hawai'i) used to be pretty dominant in WVB, but the B(C)$ has pretty much taken them out. TN/ODU/UCONN were traditional powers in WBB, but ODU has been knocked out of that.
Drop the chauvinism. Girls are good athletes, too. In certain sports (tennis/gymnastics/soccer/volleyball), they get more pub. But there are girls who are good in EVERY sport, even if certain so-called men aren't secure enough in their own manhood enough to admit it.
Lisa Leslie has to be the worst shooter for a prfessional basketball player in the history of Earth. Would I beat her in a one on one? Probably not because I havent played basketball in years and it is her sport, however a average guy with a bit of height on a D-III team or in a rec league would crush her. In her prime.SuperHornet wrote:That's a nonsequitur. Appeal to generics is patently false because one can ALWAYS find individual contrary cases. For example, Billy Jean King trounced a decrepit Bobby Riggs in tennis, yet that DOES qualify as a female defeating a male. Martina Navratilova and a partner beat Riggs and Vijay Armitraj about a decade later. I would flat out guarantee that Lisa Leslie would smoke YOU on the basketball court.
In terms of "legitimate" victories, though, one look no farther than Danica Patrick. In addition, female equestrian athletes beat men all the freaking time.
Doesn't happen with men? Then explain:Franks Tanks wrote:There is much less parity in women's sports. The current Penn State and UCONN teams are in the middle of the most dominant stretch in the history of NCAA athletics. The great dynasty's like UCLA basketball abd Oklahoma Football never dominated like these teams. In womens sports you see those High School basketball score of 100-0 or whatever it was, that simply doesnt happen with men.SuperHornet wrote:
This is probably the most misogynistic thing I've seen all year. There are plenty of examples of nearly perpetual male dominance, too. OK/NE/TX/ND football for decades. KY/NC/Duke hoops for ages.
And parity is hitting women's sports, too. The Big West (UOP/LBSU/Hawai'i) used to be pretty dominant in WVB, but the B(C)$ has pretty much taken them out. TN/ODU/UCONN were traditional powers in WBB, but ODU has been knocked out of that.
Drop the chauvinism. Girls are good athletes, too. In certain sports (tennis/gymnastics/soccer/volleyball), they get more pub. But there are girls who are good in EVERY sport, even if certain so-called men aren't secure enough in their own manhood enough to admit it.
Absolutely 100% true.Franks Tanks wrote:Overall women arent very good at sports. The ones that are good tend to end up at the same schools over and over again. Also a team with one or two elite women can really take over, there us much more parity and more athletes in mens sports.
If I looked I could probably find that many games, plus some, from the last decade of womens teams winning by outrageous scores as well. The fact that you found 7 games in just under a hundred years, and only once in the current scholarship setting (not even that, I believe that game in 2003 was D3 schools) is a testament to the fact that the talent difference isn't near as big as it is in womens sports.SuperHornet wrote:Doesn't happen with men? Then explain:Franks Tanks wrote:
There is much less parity in women's sports. The current Penn State and UCONN teams are in the middle of the most dominant stretch in the history of NCAA athletics. The great dynasty's like UCLA basketball abd Oklahoma Football never dominated like these teams. In womens sports you see those High School basketball score of 100-0 or whatever it was, that simply doesnt happen with men.
1916 GA Tech-Cumberland 222-0
1949 Wyoming-Northern Colorado 103-0
1968 North Park-North Central 104-32
1968 Houston-Tulsa 100-6
1969 Fort Valley State-Knoxville 106-0
1980 Portland State-Delaware State 105-0
2003 Rockford-Trinity Bible 105-0
This is just a sampling. As PSU and Rockford show, it wasn't all back in the day. Here's a list of all college football games where one team scored over 100 points.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_10 ... e_football
The REAL reason these things don't happen that often is that the fans don't like it. Coaches shut the offense down when the scores START getting out of hand.
You went back to 1916!SuperHornet wrote:Doesn't happen with men? Then explain:Franks Tanks wrote:
There is much less parity in women's sports. The current Penn State and UCONN teams are in the middle of the most dominant stretch in the history of NCAA athletics. The great dynasty's like UCLA basketball abd Oklahoma Football never dominated like these teams. In womens sports you see those High School basketball score of 100-0 or whatever it was, that simply doesnt happen with men.
1916 GA Tech-Cumberland 222-0
1949 Wyoming-Northern Colorado 103-0
1968 North Park-North Central 104-32
1968 Houston-Tulsa 100-6
1969 Fort Valley State-Knoxville 106-0
1980 Portland State-Delaware State 105-0
2003 Rockford-Trinity Bible 105-0
This is just a sampling. As PSU and Rockford show, it wasn't all back in the day. Here's a list of all college football games where one team scored over 100 points.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_10 ... e_football
The REAL reason these things don't happen that often is that the fans don't like it. Coaches shut the offense down when the scores START getting out of hand.
UCONN from this past season aloneFranks Tanks wrote:You went back to 1916!SuperHornet wrote:
Doesn't happen with men? Then explain:
1916 GA Tech-Cumberland 222-0
1949 Wyoming-Northern Colorado 103-0
1968 North Park-North Central 104-32
1968 Houston-Tulsa 100-6
1969 Fort Valley State-Knoxville 106-0
1980 Portland State-Delaware State 105-0
2003 Rockford-Trinity Bible 105-0
This is just a sampling. As PSU and Rockford show, it wasn't all back in the day. Here's a list of all college football games where one team scored over 100 points.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_10 ... e_football
The REAL reason these things don't happen that often is that the fans don't like it. Coaches shut the offense down when the scores START getting out of hand.
Just look at the UCONN women this year. They beat other ranked teams by 20, 30, even 40 points....every game. Their sheer dominance is really without comparison.
Women's sports are fine. I watch some volleyball and the Olympic stuff so I do watch women playing sports. However the fact remains that parity is lacking in many womens sports at many levels.
SuperHornet wrote:Uh, FT, did you bother to check the link? I only took a selection of games from the list. There are tons more. And I took from both the beginning of the list AND the end specifically to show that while many of the games are from "back in the day," they STILL happen. They don't happen as often because people realize that at some point in a blowout, the PR comes back to bite you. But it STILL happens.
Huh? The NFL is at an all-time level in terms of popularity, especially compared to the other sports in America. The NFL has never been this widely watched. You may certainly not like parity, and I know people do complain about there not being enough "dominant" teams, but the actual evidence when it's measured in terms of revenues and TV share show that parity has been wildly successful for the NFL.SuperHornet wrote:I guess that's fair. However, keep this in mind: the NFL in recent years has proven that parity sucks. If you have a few teams who are really good, everyone else can focus on hating them and busting tail to knock them off. Parity gets boring.
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Well money is dominating in womens sports as well. Immaculata College in suburban Philly was a womens basketball power in the early 70's. They are a tiny all girls catholic school that now plays D-III, and something like that will never happen again.SuperHornet wrote:I guess that's fair. However, keep this in mind: the NFL in recent years has proven that parity sucks. If you have a few teams who are really good, everyone else can focus on hating them and busting tail to knock them off. Parity gets boring.
BTW, the dominant schools for most girls sports right now are essentially B(C)$ schools. That wasn't necessarily the case in the past. For example, ODU was pretty important in hoops while UOP and other Big West schools were big in volleyball (i.e. UOP won two straight GVB championships). At some point (not exactly sure when, but probably around the early-to-mid-'90s), the B(C)$ schools noticed and took steps. Now those "other" schools are on the outside looking in.
Wow, that is one of the biggest reaches I've even seen. I never even came close to saying - or implying that.JayJ79 wrote:So they should disband womens athletics, since most of the time, the men would beat the women.BlueHen86 wrote:Name a sport where women can beat men.
And they should also get rid of D3, D2, FCS, and a good chunk of non-BCS FBS football programs, since the BCS heavyweights would beat any of the others 99% of the time.
That's a nonsequitur. I can do many things on a basketball court, many of which I'm sure she can't smoke me at. I can spell my name while peeing standing up. I bet she can't, and if she can I bet my penismanship is better than hers.SuperHornet wrote:That's a nonsequitur. Appeal to generics is patently false because one can ALWAYS find individual contrary cases. For example, Billy Jean King trounced a decrepit Bobby Riggs in tennis, yet that DOES qualify as a female defeating a male. Martina Navratilova and a partner beat Riggs and Vijay Armitraj about a decade later. I would flat out guarantee that Lisa Leslie would smoke YOU on the basketball court.
In terms of "legitimate" victories, though, one look no farther than Danica Patrick. In addition, female equestrian athletes beat men all the freaking time.
