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Now I realize this probably comes from some pinko-commie-stalinist-non producing-hippie, but read the bolded part and consider:

1) Can dynastic wealth lead to monopolies?

2) Do monopolies jeaopardize the free market system?

3) Considering our system of campaign finance that entrenches power through wealth, how can the free market be protected other than through progressive taxes (like the estate tax) and monopoly busting government regulation?

(Disclosure: I stand to benefit nicely with a repeal of the estate tax.)
Published on Thursday, July 22, 2010 by CommonDreams.org
Restoring a Vibrant Middle Class in America
by Brian Miller

Imagine joining friends for a late-night game of Monopoly, but in this game, there’s a twist: At the start of the game, one player gets an entire side of the game board, from Pacific Ave. to Boardwalk, including the Short Line railroad. Instead of pondering easy questions like whether to be the shoe or the thimble, you’re now grappling with a more important question: Do you even stand a chance in such a lopsided game?
As you ponder the fairness of this board game, Congress is debating the very real future of our federal estate tax, a tax on inherited wealth designed in part to prevent one player from owning most of the board before the game even begins.

Recently, a new proposal was introduced in an effort to break through the stalemate that has led to the current tax holiday for the super wealthy. Because of the inability of Congress to reach agreement back in December, the year 2010 is slowly passing as the first since 1916 with no estate tax. Billions of dollars are now being transferred tax-free, while our national deficit grows. The heirs of the late Texas billionaire Dan Duncan stand to inherit, free of any estate tax, more than the average American earns in 4,000 lifetimes. No one questions the right of parents to pass on a legacy to their children, but how much is enough?

Despite its kitchen table status today, the Monopoly board game can trace its roots to Lizzie Magie, who created the game in 1903 as an educational tool to help people understand that free market economies, absent rules to ensure otherwise, naturally move toward monopoly control as wealth is increasingly concentrated into the hands of the few. It takes public policies, from anti-monopoly rules to progressive tax systems, to protect free markets from this self-destructive tendency. The fact is: any economic system is effective only to the extent that its more extreme aspects are reined in.

Our progressive tax system, including the estate tax, helped guide our economy and fuel the broadly shared prosperity our nation experienced during the post-war period. However, that progressive tax system came under a 30-year assault which began in the early 1980s. We’ve seen the consequences of this backsliding and the misguided tax cuts for the wealthy. Instead of the promised trickle-down, we got stagnant wages for most Americans and the widest disparity of income our nation has seen since 1928, just before the Great Depression. It’s time to recapture the core values that made our economy work, beginning with the preservation of a strong estate tax.

The importance of this proposal cannot be overstated. Transfers of wealth from generation to generation impact every aspect of our economic landscape, even the persistent racial wealth divide. While we’ve made significant strides at closing the income gap in the half-century since the great Civil Rights victories, the gap in actual wealth is much harder to shake because wealth transfers forward. Even today, African-Americans have only 10 cents of net wealth for every $1 of net wealth that whites have. Latinos have 12 cents. Without a strong estate tax, the inequalities of the past will forever haunt our nation, leaving the Monopoly board permanently tilted.

Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ), Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), and other estate tax opponents are wrong in trying to weaken the estate tax. Congress should instead work to preserve a strong estate tax for the benefit of all Americans. This estate tax proposal represents the kind of commonsense solution that balances the desire to protect small businesses and farms with generous deductions, while ensuring that the super-wealthy give back to support the country that made their prosperity possible.

Even in a game – like Monopoly – we can see the need for rules to ensure that opportunity continually circulates throughout our economy to create a broadly shared prosperity for all, not just a select few. Preserving a strong estate tax is essential to ensuring that each subsequent generation has a chance to achieve the American dream. Without it, we have to ask ourselves, is the game hopelessly stacked? Should we even bother playing?

© 2010 American Forum
Brian Miller, executive director of United for a Fair Economy (UFE), a national organization that works to foster a more broadly shared prosperity.
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So the estate tax fueled the post-war economic growth? I can think of a least a dozen factors that fueled economic growth in the 25 years immediately after WWII. The estate tax isn't one of them.

How can the estate tax prevent monopolies when only large corporations are capable of forming monopolies or oligopolies? The estate tax doesn't really apply to them.

Will higher income taxes on the wealthy really produce wealth for the lower class? No. There is more than enough empirical evidence that contradicts that anachronistic theory.
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Talk about deja vu...

In this country, the only way monopolies exist is by governmental privilege. From steel industry and the government's high tariffs on foreign steel, to the government issuing licenses to own TV and radio stations. From the trucking industry monopolies developed because of the Interstate Commerce Commission, to the network of regional local telephone monopolies.

Simply put, private monopolies just do not exist. As I said, the only way private firms are able to attain and hold monopoly position is through government interference in their favor. There are maybe two examples of private monopolies that did and have survived over a long period of time. One is an international firm and has been mentioned before in a similar thread, DeBeers. The other...well, take a guess.

Using this author's twisted logic...if we get the government out of the monopoly business, we can do away with the progressive income tax and the estate tax. I like that idea. :thumb:
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How can the estate tax prevent monopolies when only large corporations are capable of forming monopolies or oligopolies? The estate tax doesn't really apply to them.


Tell that to the Walton family. But we could also enforce anti-trust regulations.
Will higher income taxes on the wealthy really produce wealth for the lower class? No. There is more than enough empirical evidence that contradicts that anachronistic theory.
Depending on your definition of "lower class", tell that to Sweden or any number of Americans who were able to own a home, send their kids to college, and retire with dignity on working class wages throughout much of the last century. :coffee:
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Wal-Mart is publicly owned and in no way is a monopoly.

Are you attributing the ability of the working class to own homes, send their kids to college, etc. to the estate tax?
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Baldy wrote:Talk about deja vu...

In this country, the only way monopolies exist is by governmental privilege. From steel industry and the government's high tariffs on foreign steel, to the government issuing licenses to own TV and radio stations. From the trucking industry monopolies developed because of the Interstate Commerce Commission, to the network of regional local telephone monopolies.

Simply put, private monopolies just do not exist. As I said, the only way private firms are able to attain and hold monopoly position is through government interference in their favor. There are maybe two examples of private monopolies that did and have survived over a long period of time. One is an international firm and has been mentioned before in a similar thread, DeBeers. The other...well, take a guess.

Using this author's twisted logic...if we get the government out of the monopoly business, we can do away with the progressive income tax and the estate tax. I like that idea. :thumb:
Interesting points. I think I agree. :thumb:
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CitadelGrad wrote:Wal-Mart is publicly owned and in no way is a monopoly.

Are you attributing the ability of the working class to own homes, send their kids to college, etc. to the estate tax?
Wal-Mart is a great example of a monopoly - especially in small markets.

I'm attributing the decline in the standard of living for the working class and/or their increase in debt to the wealth gap and upward redistribution.
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No, Wal-Mart is a limited monospony, not a monopoly. Even is small markets, Wal-Mart cannot be described as a monopoly. I grew up in a town where Wal-Mart's first supercenter was located. At the time I graduated from high school (1980), the population of the town was about 7000. Today it is nearly 17000 and has many more businesses that compete directly with Wal-Mart in terms of product and pricing. Most of those businesses are within a mile of Wal-Mart and many are mom-and-pop businesses. There is also a wider variety of products available, as Wal-Mart has forced diversification. Now you can get niche products at relatively low prices from a wider selection of retailers. When I lived there, you would have to drive an hour to St. Louis to get that kind of variety. Oh wait, none of that can be. We all know that big, bad, evil Wal-Mart destroys small towns in Middle-America.
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CitadelGrad wrote:No, Wal-Mart is a limited monospony, not a monopoly. Even is small markets, Wal-Mart cannot be described as a monopoly. I grew up in a town where Wal-Mart's first supercenter was located. At the time I graduated from high school (1980), the population of the town was about 7000. Today it is nearly 17000 and has many more businesses that compete directly with Wal-Mart in terms of product and pricing. Most of those businesses are within a mile of Wal-Mart and many are mom-and-pop businesses. There is also a wider variety of products available, as Wal-Mart has forced diversification. Now you can get niche products at relatively low prices from a wider selection of retailers. When I lived there, you would have to drive an hour to St. Louis to get that kind of variety. Oh wait, none of that can be. We all know that big, bad, evil Wal-Mart destroys small towns in Middle-America.

And I know a couple of towns where the opposite is true - especially when you consider the impact to smaller out-lying communities. Retail in those towns is drying up due to a Wal-Mart store being even an hour away. And if you ask the retailers and suppliers themselves I'm guessing they are not going to neccessarily share your opinion. Wal-Mart is rutheless because of it's market share both locally and nationally wielding a ton of power. And the Walton family is of course one of the biggest backers of repealing the estate tax. So Wal-Mart is so large it effects national politics. I'll bet you could even make a case that it influences trade policy.

And of course it's not a perfect monopoly, nor as you point out, a perfect monopsony, but I think you got the point anyway:
A monopoly must be distinguished from monopsony, in which there is only one buyer of a product or service ; a monopoly may also have monopsony control of a sector of a market. Likewise, a monopoly should be distinguished from a cartel (a form of oligopoly), in which several providers act together to coordinate services, prices or sale of goods. Monopolies, monopsonies and oligopolies are all situations where one or a few entities have market power and therefore must interact with their customers (monopoly), suppliers (monopsony) and the other firms (oligopoly) in a game theoretic manner - meaning that expectations about their behavior affects other players' choice of strategy and vis-a-versa.
Cleets put it best that Wal-Mart is the great American Mirror. You can marvel at it's business success but I would prefer our country to not look like this:

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kalm wrote:
CitadelGrad wrote:Wal-Mart is publicly owned and in no way is a monopoly.

Are you attributing the ability of the working class to own homes, send their kids to college, etc. to the estate tax?
Wal-Mart is a great example of a monopoly - especially in small markets.

I'm attributing the decline in the standard of living for the working class and/or their increase in debt to the wealth gap and upward redistribution.

Not really. Their decline is directly related to the decline in manufacturing in America. Me and Tman (in rare clarity) have been sayin this for years.

No manufacturing = no low skill / high wage jobs
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D1B wrote:
kalm wrote:
Wal-Mart is a great example of a monopoly - especially in small markets.

I'm attributing the decline in the standard of living for the working class and/or their increase in debt to the wealth gap and upward redistribution.

Not really. Their decline is directly related to the decline in manufacturing in America. Me and Tman (in rare clarity) have been sayin this for years.

No manufacturing = no low skill / high wage jobs
I agree about manufacturing but we lost it by allowing multinational companies to shift it overseas while reducing tariffs on the products that used to be produced here. And the reason for that goes back to a consolidation of wealth and power that influences politicians from Reagan to Clinton to do what's good for Wall Street, not neccessarily what's good for the nation as a whole.
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Senator Bernie Sanders, with an assist from Teddy Roosevelt, flat out nails it here: :nod:

No to Oligarchy
by Bernie Sanders

The American people are hurting. As a result of the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on Wall Street, millions of Americans have lost their jobs, homes, life savings and their ability to get a higher education. Today, some 22 percent of our children live in poverty, and millions more have become dependent on food stamps for their food.

And while the Great Wall Street Recession has devastated the middle class, the truth is that working families have been experiencing a decline for decades. During the Bush years alone, from 2000-2008, median family income dropped by nearly $2,200 and millions lost their health insurance. Today, because of stagnating wages and higher costs for basic necessities, the average two-wage-earner family has less disposable income than a one-wage-earner family did a generation ago. The average American today is underpaid, overworked and stressed out as to what the future will bring for his or her children. For many, the American dream has become a nightmare.

But, not everybody is hurting. While the middle class disappears and poverty increases the wealthiest people in our country are not only doing extremely well, they are using their wealth and political power to protect and expand their very privileged status at the expense of everyone else. This upper-crust of extremely wealthy families are hell-bent on destroying the democratic vision of a strong middle-class which has made the United States the envy of the world. In its place they are determined to create an oligarchy in which a small number of families control the economic and political life of our country.

The 400 richest families in America, who saw their wealth increase by some $400 billion during the Bush years, have now accumulated $1.27 trillion in wealth. Four hundred families! During the last 15 years, while these enormously rich people became much richer their effective tax rates were slashed almost in half. While the highest paid 400 Americans had an average income of $345 million in 2007, as a result of Bush tax policy they now pay an effective tax rate of 16.6 percent, the lowest on record.

Last year, the top 25 hedge fund managers made a combined $25 billion but because of tax policy their lobbyists helped write, they pay a lower effective tax rate than many teachers, nurses, and police officers. As a result of tax havens in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda and elsewhere, the wealthy and large corporations are evading some $100 billion a year in U.S. taxes. Warren Buffett, one of the richest people on earth, has often commented that he pays a lower effective tax rate than his secretary.

But it's not just wealthy individuals who grotesquely manipulate the system for their benefit. It's the multi-national corporations they own and control. In 2009, Exxon Mobil, the most profitable corporation in history made $19 billion in profits and not only paid no federal income tax -- they actually received a $156 million refund from the government. In 2005, one out of every four large corporations in the United States paid no federal income taxes while earning $1.1 trillion in revenue.

But, perhaps the most outrageous tax break given to multi-millionaires and billionaires happened this January when the estate tax, established in 1916, was repealed for one year as a result of President Bush's 2001 tax legislation. This tax applies only to the wealthiest three-tenths of 1 percent of our population. This is what Teddy Roosevelt, a leading proponent of the estate tax, said in 1910. "The absence of effective state, and, especially, national restraint upon unfair money-getting has tended to create a small class of enormously wealthy and economically powerful men, whose chief object is to hold and increase their power. The prime need is to change the conditions which enable these men to accumulate power which is not for the general welfare that they should hold or exercise.... Therefore, I believe in a ... graduated inheritance tax on big fortunes, properly safeguarded against evasion and increasing rapidly in amount with the size of the estate." And that's what we've had for the last 95 years -- until 2010.

Today, not content with huge tax breaks on their income; not content with massive corporate tax loopholes; not content with trade laws enabling them to outsource the jobs of millions of American workers to low-wage countries and not content with tax havens around the world, the ruling elite and their lobbyists are working feverishly to either eliminate the estate tax or substantially lower it. If they are successful at wiping out the estate tax, as they came close to doing in 2006 with every Republican but two voting to do, it would increase the national debt by over $1 trillion during a 10-year period. At a time when we already have a $13 trillion debt, enormous unmet needs and the highest level of wealth inequality in the industrialized world, it is simply obscene to provide more tax breaks to multi-millionaires and billionaires.

That is why I have introduced the Responsible Estate Tax Act (S.3533). This legislation would raise $318 billion over the next decade by establishing a graduated inheritance tax on estates over $3.5 million retroactive to this year. This bill ensures that the wealthiest 0.3 percent of Americans pays their fair share of estate taxes, while making sure that 99.7 percent of Americans never have to pay a dime when they lose a loved one. It also makes certain that the overwhelming majority of family farmers and small businesses never have to pay an estate tax.

This legislation must be passed because, with a $13 trillion national debt and huge unmet needs, we cannot afford more tax breaks for millionaire and billionaire families. But even more importantly, it must be passed because the United States must not become an oligarchy in which a handful of wealthy and powerful families control the destiny of our nation. Too many people, from the inception of this country, have struggled and died to maintain our democratic vision. We owe it to them and to our children to maintain it.

Bernie Sanders is the Independent US Senator from Vermont.

No to Oligarchy
by Bernie Sanders

The American people are hurting. As a result of the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on Wall Street, millions of Americans have lost their jobs, homes, life savings and their ability to get a higher education. Today, some 22 percent of our children live in poverty, and millions more have become dependent on food stamps for their food.

And while the Great Wall Street Recession has devastated the middle class, the truth is that working families have been experiencing a decline for decades. During the Bush years alone, from 2000-2008, median family income dropped by nearly $2,200 and millions lost their health insurance. Today, because of stagnating wages and higher costs for basic necessities, the average two-wage-earner family has less disposable income than a one-wage-earner family did a generation ago. The average American today is underpaid, overworked and stressed out as to what the future will bring for his or her children. For many, the American dream has become a nightmare.

But, not everybody is hurting. While the middle class disappears and poverty increases the wealthiest people in our country are not only doing extremely well, they are using their wealth and political power to protect and expand their very privileged status at the expense of everyone else. This upper-crust of extremely wealthy families are hell-bent on destroying the democratic vision of a strong middle-class which has made the United States the envy of the world. In its place they are determined to create an oligarchy in which a small number of families control the economic and political life of our country.

The 400 richest families in America, who saw their wealth increase by some $400 billion during the Bush years, have now accumulated $1.27 trillion in wealth. Four hundred families! During the last 15 years, while these enormously rich people became much richer their effective tax rates were slashed almost in half. While the highest paid 400 Americans had an average income of $345 million in 2007, as a result of Bush tax policy they now pay an effective tax rate of 16.6 percent, the lowest on record.

Last year, the top 25 hedge fund managers made a combined $25 billion but because of tax policy their lobbyists helped write, they pay a lower effective tax rate than many teachers, nurses, and police officers. As a result of tax havens in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda and elsewhere, the wealthy and large corporations are evading some $100 billion a year in U.S. taxes. Warren Buffett, one of the richest people on earth, has often commented that he pays a lower effective tax rate than his secretary.

But it's not just wealthy individuals who grotesquely manipulate the system for their benefit. It's the multi-national corporations they own and control. In 2009, Exxon Mobil, the most profitable corporation in history made $19 billion in profits and not only paid no federal income tax -- they actually received a $156 million refund from the government. In 2005, one out of every four large corporations in the United States paid no federal income taxes while earning $1.1 trillion in revenue.

But, perhaps the most outrageous tax break given to multi-millionaires and billionaires happened this January when the estate tax, established in 1916, was repealed for one year as a result of President Bush's 2001 tax legislation. This tax applies only to the wealthiest three-tenths of 1 percent of our population. This is what Teddy Roosevelt, a leading proponent of the estate tax, said in 1910. "The absence of effective state, and, especially, national restraint upon unfair money-getting has tended to create a small class of enormously wealthy and economically powerful men, whose chief object is to hold and increase their power. The prime need is to change the conditions which enable these men to accumulate power which is not for the general welfare that they should hold or exercise.... Therefore, I believe in a ... graduated inheritance tax on big fortunes, properly safeguarded against evasion and increasing rapidly in amount with the size of the estate." And that's what we've had for the last 95 years -- until 2010.

Today, not content with huge tax breaks on their income; not content with massive corporate tax loopholes; not content with trade laws enabling them to outsource the jobs of millions of American workers to low-wage countries and not content with tax havens around the world, the ruling elite and their lobbyists are working feverishly to either eliminate the estate tax or substantially lower it. If they are successful at wiping out the estate tax, as they came close to doing in 2006 with every Republican but two voting to do, it would increase the national debt by over $1 trillion during a 10-year period. At a time when we already have a $13 trillion debt, enormous unmet needs and the highest level of wealth inequality in the industrialized world, it is simply obscene to provide more tax breaks to multi-millionaires and billionaires.

That is why I have introduced the Responsible Estate Tax Act (S.3533). This legislation would raise $318 billion over the next decade by establishing a graduated inheritance tax on estates over $3.5 million retroactive to this year. This bill ensures that the wealthiest 0.3 percent of Americans pays their fair share of estate taxes, while making sure that 99.7 percent of Americans never have to pay a dime when they lose a loved one. It also makes certain that the overwhelming majority of family farmers and small businesses never have to pay an estate tax.

This legislation must be passed because, with a $13 trillion national debt and huge unmet needs, we cannot afford more tax breaks for millionaire and billionaire families. But even more importantly, it must be passed because the United States must not become an oligarchy in which a handful of wealthy and powerful families control the destiny of our nation. Too many people, from the inception of this country, have struggled and died to maintain our democratic vision. We owe it to them and to our children to maintain it.

Bernie Sanders is the Independent US Senator from Vermont.
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kalm wrote:Senator Bernie Sanders, with an assist from Teddy Roosevelt, flat out nails it here: :nod:

No to Oligarchy
by Bernie Sanders

The American people are hurting. As a result of the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on Wall Street, millions of Americans have lost their jobs, homes, life savings and their ability to get a higher education. Today, some 22 percent of our children live in poverty, and millions more have become dependent on food stamps for their food.

And while the Great Wall Street Recession has devastated the middle class, the truth is that working families have been experiencing a decline for decades. During the Bush years alone, from 2000-2008, median family income dropped by nearly $2,200 and millions lost their health insurance. Today, because of stagnating wages and higher costs for basic necessities, the average two-wage-earner family has less disposable income than a one-wage-earner family did a generation ago. The average American today is underpaid, overworked and stressed out as to what the future will bring for his or her children. For many, the American dream has become a nightmare.

But, not everybody is hurting. While the middle class disappears and poverty increases the wealthiest people in our country are not only doing extremely well, they are using their wealth and political power to protect and expand their very privileged status at the expense of everyone else. This upper-crust of extremely wealthy families are hell-bent on destroying the democratic vision of a strong middle-class which has made the United States the envy of the world. In its place they are determined to create an oligarchy in which a small number of families control the economic and political life of our country.

The 400 richest families in America, who saw their wealth increase by some $400 billion during the Bush years, have now accumulated $1.27 trillion in wealth. Four hundred families! During the last 15 years, while these enormously rich people became much richer their effective tax rates were slashed almost in half. While the highest paid 400 Americans had an average income of $345 million in 2007, as a result of Bush tax policy they now pay an effective tax rate of 16.6 percent, the lowest on record.

Last year, the top 25 hedge fund managers made a combined $25 billion but because of tax policy their lobbyists helped write, they pay a lower effective tax rate than many teachers, nurses, and police officers. As a result of tax havens in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda and elsewhere, the wealthy and large corporations are evading some $100 billion a year in U.S. taxes. Warren Buffett, one of the richest people on earth, has often commented that he pays a lower effective tax rate than his secretary.

But it's not just wealthy individuals who grotesquely manipulate the system for their benefit. It's the multi-national corporations they own and control. In 2009, Exxon Mobil, the most profitable corporation in history made $19 billion in profits and not only paid no federal income tax -- they actually received a $156 million refund from the government. In 2005, one out of every four large corporations in the United States paid no federal income taxes while earning $1.1 trillion in revenue.

But, perhaps the most outrageous tax break given to multi-millionaires and billionaires happened this January when the estate tax, established in 1916, was repealed for one year as a result of President Bush's 2001 tax legislation. This tax applies only to the wealthiest three-tenths of 1 percent of our population. This is what Teddy Roosevelt, a leading proponent of the estate tax, said in 1910. "The absence of effective state, and, especially, national restraint upon unfair money-getting has tended to create a small class of enormously wealthy and economically powerful men, whose chief object is to hold and increase their power. The prime need is to change the conditions which enable these men to accumulate power which is not for the general welfare that they should hold or exercise.... Therefore, I believe in a ... graduated inheritance tax on big fortunes, properly safeguarded against evasion and increasing rapidly in amount with the size of the estate." And that's what we've had for the last 95 years -- until 2010.

Today, not content with huge tax breaks on their income; not content with massive corporate tax loopholes; not content with trade laws enabling them to outsource the jobs of millions of American workers to low-wage countries and not content with tax havens around the world, the ruling elite and their lobbyists are working feverishly to either eliminate the estate tax or substantially lower it. If they are successful at wiping out the estate tax, as they came close to doing in 2006 with every Republican but two voting to do, it would increase the national debt by over $1 trillion during a 10-year period. At a time when we already have a $13 trillion debt, enormous unmet needs and the highest level of wealth inequality in the industrialized world, it is simply obscene to provide more tax breaks to multi-millionaires and billionaires.

That is why I have introduced the Responsible Estate Tax Act (S.3533). This legislation would raise $318 billion over the next decade by establishing a graduated inheritance tax on estates over $3.5 million retroactive to this year. This bill ensures that the wealthiest 0.3 percent of Americans pays their fair share of estate taxes, while making sure that 99.7 percent of Americans never have to pay a dime when they lose a loved one. It also makes certain that the overwhelming majority of family farmers and small businesses never have to pay an estate tax.

This legislation must be passed because, with a $13 trillion national debt and huge unmet needs, we cannot afford more tax breaks for millionaire and billionaire families. But even more importantly, it must be passed because the United States must not become an oligarchy in which a handful of wealthy and powerful families control the destiny of our nation. Too many people, from the inception of this country, have struggled and died to maintain our democratic vision. We owe it to them and to our children to maintain it.

Bernie Sanders is the Independent US Senator from Vermont.
As usual, Bernie Sanders never lets facts get in the way of a good socialist, class warfare, redistributionist, "progressive" rant. He's Congress' equivalent of that crazy little uncle nobody wants to discuss or admit they are related to. :lol:

I could be here all day correcting his mistakes (lies), but I have a life...and a long honey-do list. :lol:

First, those "evil" Bush tax cut for the rich is a total fabrication by the demagogues on the left and the MSM. The fact is, every single person who pays taxes got a tax cut under Bush's plan.
The top income earners went from 39.6% to 35%, the next level went from 36% to 33%, next 31% to 28%, and finally the lowest bracket went from 28% to 25%. Every single American taxpayer received a tax break, not just the "evil" rich.

Secondly, the often used but never truthful statement that the rich aren't paying their "fair share". Thank God we have Bernie in Washington to decide what is "fair". :roll:
Again, I hate to bring up the facts and destroy his argument, but those "evil" rich are shouldering more and more of the burden every year. In 2001, before the Bush tax cuts, the top 1% of income earners were paying 33.89% of the income taxes. In 2007 their burden had risen to 40.42%. In 2001, the top 0.1% paid 16.06% of the burden, but in 2007 their share rose to 20.19%.

No surprise, but another swing and a miss from Congress' crazy little uncle. :coffee:
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kalm wrote:Senator Bernie Sanders, with an assist from Teddy Roosevelt, flat out nails it here: :nod:

No to Oligarchy
by Bernie Sanders

The American people are hurting. As a result of the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on Wall Street, millions of Americans have lost their jobs, homes, life savings and their ability to get a higher education. Today, some 22 percent of our children live in poverty, and millions more have become dependent on food stamps for their food.

And while the Great Wall Street Recession has devastated the middle class, the truth is that working families have been experiencing a decline for decades. During the Bush years alone, from 2000-2008, median family income dropped by nearly $2,200 and millions lost their health insurance. Today, because of stagnating wages and higher costs for basic necessities, the average two-wage-earner family has less disposable income than a one-wage-earner family did a generation ago. The average American today is underpaid, overworked and stressed out as to what the future will bring for his or her children. For many, the American dream has become a nightmare.

But, not everybody is hurting. While the middle class disappears and poverty increases the wealthiest people in our country are not only doing extremely well, they are using their wealth and political power to protect and expand their very privileged status at the expense of everyone else. This upper-crust of extremely wealthy families are hell-bent on destroying the democratic vision of a strong middle-class which has made the United States the envy of the world. In its place they are determined to create an oligarchy in which a small number of families control the economic and political life of our country.

The 400 richest families in America, who saw their wealth increase by some $400 billion during the Bush years, have now accumulated $1.27 trillion in wealth. Four hundred families! During the last 15 years, while these enormously rich people became much richer their effective tax rates were slashed almost in half. While the highest paid 400 Americans had an average income of $345 million in 2007, as a result of Bush tax policy they now pay an effective tax rate of 16.6 percent, the lowest on record.

Last year, the top 25 hedge fund managers made a combined $25 billion but because of tax policy their lobbyists helped write, they pay a lower effective tax rate than many teachers, nurses, and police officers. As a result of tax havens in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda and elsewhere, the wealthy and large corporations are evading some $100 billion a year in U.S. taxes. Warren Buffett, one of the richest people on earth, has often commented that he pays a lower effective tax rate than his secretary.

But it's not just wealthy individuals who grotesquely manipulate the system for their benefit. It's the multi-national corporations they own and control. In 2009, Exxon Mobil, the most profitable corporation in history made $19 billion in profits and not only paid no federal income tax -- they actually received a $156 million refund from the government. In 2005, one out of every four large corporations in the United States paid no federal income taxes while earning $1.1 trillion in revenue.

But, perhaps the most outrageous tax break given to multi-millionaires and billionaires happened this January when the estate tax, established in 1916, was repealed for one year as a result of President Bush's 2001 tax legislation. This tax applies only to the wealthiest three-tenths of 1 percent of our population. This is what Teddy Roosevelt, a leading proponent of the estate tax, said in 1910. "The absence of effective state, and, especially, national restraint upon unfair money-getting has tended to create a small class of enormously wealthy and economically powerful men, whose chief object is to hold and increase their power. The prime need is to change the conditions which enable these men to accumulate power which is not for the general welfare that they should hold or exercise.... Therefore, I believe in a ... graduated inheritance tax on big fortunes, properly safeguarded against evasion and increasing rapidly in amount with the size of the estate." And that's what we've had for the last 95 years -- until 2010.

Today, not content with huge tax breaks on their income; not content with massive corporate tax loopholes; not content with trade laws enabling them to outsource the jobs of millions of American workers to low-wage countries and not content with tax havens around the world, the ruling elite and their lobbyists are working feverishly to either eliminate the estate tax or substantially lower it. If they are successful at wiping out the estate tax, as they came close to doing in 2006 with every Republican but two voting to do, it would increase the national debt by over $1 trillion during a 10-year period. At a time when we already have a $13 trillion debt, enormous unmet needs and the highest level of wealth inequality in the industrialized world, it is simply obscene to provide more tax breaks to multi-millionaires and billionaires.

That is why I have introduced the Responsible Estate Tax Act (S.3533). This legislation would raise $318 billion over the next decade by establishing a graduated inheritance tax on estates over $3.5 million retroactive to this year. This bill ensures that the wealthiest 0.3 percent of Americans pays their fair share of estate taxes, while making sure that 99.7 percent of Americans never have to pay a dime when they lose a loved one. It also makes certain that the overwhelming majority of family farmers and small businesses never have to pay an estate tax.

This legislation must be passed because, with a $13 trillion national debt and huge unmet needs, we cannot afford more tax breaks for millionaire and billionaire families. But even more importantly, it must be passed because the United States must not become an oligarchy in which a handful of wealthy and powerful families control the destiny of our nation. Too many people, from the inception of this country, have struggled and died to maintain our democratic vision. We owe it to them and to our children to maintain it.

Bernie Sanders is the Independent US Senator from Vermont.
As usual, Bernie Sanders never lets facts get in the way of a good socialist, class warfare, redistributionist, "progressive" rant. He's Congress' equivalent of that crazy little uncle nobody wants to discuss or admit they are related to. :lol:

I could be here all day correcting his mistakes (lies), but I have a life...and a long honey-do list. :lol:

First, those "evil" Bush tax cut for the rich is a total fabrication by the demagogues on the left and the MSM. The fact is, every single person who pays taxes got a tax cut under Bush's plan.
The top income earners went from 39.6% to 35%, the next level went from 36% to 33%, next 31% to 28%, and finally the lowest bracket went from 28% to 25%. Every single American taxpayer received a tax break, not just the "evil" rich.

Secondly, the often used but never truthful statement that the rich aren't paying their "fair share". Thank God we have Bernie in Washington to decide what is "fair". :roll:
Again, I hate to bring up the facts and destroy his argument, but those "evil" rich are shouldering more and more of the burden every year. In 2001, before the Bush tax cuts, the top 1% of income earners were paying 33.89% of the income taxes. In 2007 their burden had risen to 40.42%. In 2001, the top 0.1% paid 16.06% of the burden, but in 2007 their share rose to 20.19%.

No surprise, but another swing and a miss from Congress' crazy little uncle. :coffee:
So productivity has increased, median family income has fallen, the effective tax rate for the richest 1% goes down, and they are paying a greater share of the taxes. Kinda confirms his argument don't ya think? :thumb:
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Not really. Their decline is directly related to the decline in manufacturing in America. Me and Tman (in rare clarity) have been sayin this for years.

No manufacturing = no low skill / high wage jobs
I agree about manufacturing but we lost it by allowing multinational companies to shift it overseas while reducing tariffs on the products that used to be produced here. And the reason for that goes back to a consolidation of wealth and power that influences politicians from Reagan to Clinton to do what's good for Wall Street, not neccessarily what's good for the nation as a whole.
I stand corrected. Carry on Kalm.


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kalm wrote:
I agree about manufacturing but we lost it by allowing multinational companies to shift it overseas while reducing tariffs on the products that used to be produced here. And the reason for that goes back to a consolidation of wealth and power that influences politicians from Reagan to Clinton to do what's good for Wall Street, not neccessarily what's good for the nation as a whole.
I stand corrected. Carry on Kalm.


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kalm wrote: So productivity has increased, median family income has fallen, the effective tax rate for the richest 1% goes down, and they are paying a greater share of the taxes. Kinda confirms his argument don't ya think? :thumb:
Ummm, no.

Sanders didn't mention productivity, lied about median household income (it's been on a sharp steady increase since 2004), the effective tax rates for ALL tax paying citizens went down, and of course, Sanders didn't mention that the "evil" rich are paying more of the tax burden under Bush's tax cuts.

Again, as usual, and just like I said, Sanders whiffed miserably. :nod:
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kalm wrote: So productivity has increased, median family income has fallen, the effective tax rate for the richest 1% goes down, and they are paying a greater share of the taxes. Kinda confirms his argument don't ya think? :thumb:
Ummm, no.

Sanders didn't mention productivity, lied about median household income (it's been on a sharp steady increase since 2004), the effective tax rates for ALL tax paying citizens went down, and of course, Sanders didn't mention that the "evil" rich are paying more of the tax burden under Bush's tax cuts.

Again, as usual, and just like I said, Sanders whiffed miserably. :nod:
No offense, but I'm going to trust Senator Sander's numbers before I trust yours.

I threw in productivity to demonstrate that despite working harder and working more hours, the workers aren't increasing their wealth. The rich are paying more of the burden because they received a larger portion of the tax cuts and are aquiring more of the wealth. Face it, top marginal tax rates and corporate tax receipts have been very low now for 30 years and it has transferred the weatlh upwards at the expense of the middle class. :coffee:
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