UNC Charlotte will have football

[coastal89]

The Governor signed the funding Bill for UNC-C football this morning.

http://www.nineronline.com/news/unc-cha ... .2283580#4

[89Hen]

I'm too lazy to go back and find the threads about UNCC football. Where will they go and is there still the moratorium for moving to I-A?

[danefan]

I'm too lazy to go back and find the threads about UNCC football. Where will they go and is there still the moratorium for moving to I-A?

There is a moratorium that gets lifted next year. Right now it looks like only teams with an offer to join an FBS conference will be able to move up (in addition to meeting all the other requirements and paying a $1 million-plus application fee)

last I hear they were still talking to the CAA. The Socon doesn't want them and that leaves the CAA and Big South as potential conferences or they can go Indy.

[49RFootballNow]

I'm too lazy to go back and find the threads about UNCC football. Where will they go and is there still the moratorium for moving to I-A?

There is a moratorium that gets lifted next year. Right now it looks like only teams with an offer to join an FBS conference will be able to move up (in addition to meeting all the other requirements and paying a $1 million-plus application fee)

last I hear they were still talking to the CAA. The Socon doesn't want them and that leaves the CAA and Big South as potential conferences or they can go Indy.

We'll either be a CAA affiliate or Independent. SoCon will only take us as a full member and the Big South Commissioner (Kallander?) basically said the same thing in an interview last year.

[jcmanson]

the Big South Commissioner (Kallander?)

Yeah what a smart guy Kyle is

I'd love to hear his reasoning behind accepting SBU as an associate but not Charlotte

[aceinthehole]

the Big South Commissioner (Kallander?)

Yeah what a smart guy Kyle is

I'd love to hear his reasoning behind accepting SBU as an associate but not Charlotte

I was thinking the same thing.

Why would the Big South have Stony Brook as an FB-only member, yet not want Charlotte?

[danefan]

the Big South Commissioner (Kallander?)

Yeah what a smart guy Kyle is

I'd love to hear his reasoning behind accepting SBU as an associate but not Charlotte

Yeah, that makes zero sense.

The only thing I can imagine is that Charlotte has stated their intention no moving to FBS. Maybe the BS doesn't want a team that is using it as a stepping stone.

[jcmanson]

Yeah what a smart guy Kyle is

I'd love to hear his reasoning behind accepting SBU as an associate but not Charlotte

Yeah, that makes zero sense.

The only thing I can imagine is that Charlotte has stated their intention no moving to FBS. Maybe the BS doesn't want a team that is using it as a stepping stone.

what a joke

The entire conference is using it as a stepping stone. Just some are having a hard time finding the next stone!

[henfan]

We'll either be a CAA affiliate or Independent.

To clarify, CAA Football does not have affiliate members. Technically, CAA Football and the Colonial Athletic Association are separate entities. If UNCC is accepted, it would be as a full member of CAA Football.

[coastal89]

Gardner-Webb was an associate football only member up until last year. Kallender needs to go, I'm pretty sure he's told SC State that he wouldn't be interested in then as a full member either.

[49RFootballNow]

Yeah what a smart guy Kyle is

I'd love to hear his reasoning behind accepting SBU as an associate but not Charlotte

Yeah, that makes zero sense.

The only thing I can imagine is that Charlotte has stated their intention no moving to FBS. Maybe the BS doesn't want a team that is using it as a stepping stone.

His comment was basically this. He doesn't want the Big South to be a stepping stone for future FBS teams. (paraphrasing)

We'll either be a CAA affiliate or Independent.

To clarify, CAA Football does not have affiliate members. Technically, CAA Football and the Colonial Athletic Association are separate entities. If UNCC is accepted, it would be as a full member of CAA Football.

Per the CAA Football Conference bilaws, we would need to win a 3/4ths vote of the football schools and a 3/4ths vote of the basketball schools to join the football conference.

[49RFootballNow]

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[danefan]

To clarify, CAA Football does not have affiliate members. Technically, CAA Football and the Colonial Athletic Association are separate entities. If UNCC is accepted, it would be as a full member of CAA Football.

Per the CAA Football Conference bilaws, we would need to win a 3/4ths vote of the football schools and a 3/4ths vote of the basketball schools to join the football conference.

Yes, but if accepted you would be a full member of the CAA Football Conference. Not a CAA affiliate.

[49RFootballNow]

Per the CAA Football Conference bilaws, we would need to win a 3/4ths vote of the football schools and a 3/4ths vote of the basketball schools to join the football conference.

Yes, but if accepted you would be a full member of the CAA Football Conference. Not a CAA affiliate.

Yeah, but its easier to say affiliate and I'm lazy.

[49RFootballNow]

Speeches from the Celebration:

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[DKHardee]

Kyle Kallender is a joke. We need someone else up front. Why would he allow Campbell to come back to the Big South if they are not gonna be in the Big South Football Conference. I would much rather have UNCC just in football than Campbell in everything except football.

[danefan]

Yes, but if accepted you would be a full member of the CAA Football Conference. Not a CAA affiliate.

Yeah, but its easier to say affiliate and I'm lazy.

I hear ya. the only reason I even mention it is because of the fact that its more than just an affiliate position and therefore, as you described above, probably a more difficult a position to obtain then just a normal affiliate spot in a conference.

[henfan]

...the only reason I even mention it is because of the fact that its more than just an affiliate position and therefore, as you described above, probably a more difficult a position to obtain then just a normal affiliate spot in a conference.

That's exactly right. There's a distinction between a CAA Olympic sport conference affiliate and CAA FB conference member and it does indeed matter.

Not only is it more difficult to obtain CAA FB membership designation, members are granted the same rights as other FB members; no so with affliate members of the CAA.

Now, while CAA and CAA FB are separate entities, they do share the common CAA marketing umbrella. CAA conference members without FB have every right to assure that CAA FB operates in the best interest of the Colonial Athletic Conference name, which is why they are extended the right to vote on FB membership expansion.

I would venture a guess that UNCC will have a better shot at landing CAA FB membership if they demonstrate that they intend to be long-term members of the conference. The other factor that could come into play is the CAA's desire to hold FB as bargaining chip for landing UNCC as an all sport member. If that's a point of consideration for the CAA, members could hold UNCC's hand to the flame.

In its short existence, CAA FB has never accepted a new member who is not already a CAA member. It might be best not to set a precident, even though membership rules allow for it.

[49RFootballNow]

I would venture a guess that UNCC will have a better shot at landing CAA FB membership if they demonstrate that they intend to be long-term members of the conference. The other factor that could come into play is the CAA's desire to hold FB as bargaining chip for landing UNCC as an all sport member. If that's a point of consideration for the CAA, members could hold UNCC's hand to the flame.

While I won't say it's impossible I will say it's highly unlikely we'll be bringing our basketball program to the CAA. Our current AD has pretty much said we're not leaving A10 basketball unless a major upgrade for basketball will result from the move. I honestly don't think we can make a committment to FCS football that would be more than 5 years at a time either. Part of the reason we are starting football is to get back to where we were (CUSA level) or beyond that. Now obviously if we can't get the attendance and community support to move to FBS in the next decade or so then the prospective will change.

[Sly Fox]

I have a feeling this issue may finally be what the league presidents need to put pressure on KK to something positive for the Big South. I would be surprised if Charlotte were not offered affiliate membership. Keep in mind that the newly established auto bid has a rather tenuous stance based on league numbers. It would not handle departures from the league well at all. Charlotte would provide an easy insurance policy that upgrades the league's stature.

[henfan]

While I won't say it's impossible I will say it's highly unlikely we'll be bringing our basketball program to the CAA. Our current AD has pretty much said we're not leaving A10 basketball unless a major upgrade for basketball will result from the move. I honestly don't think we can make a committment to FCS football that would be more than 5 years at a time either. Part of the reason we are starting football is to get back to where we were (CUSA level) or beyond that. Now obviously if we can't get the attendance and community support to move to FBS in the next decade or so then the prospective will change.

I understand and don't disagree with any of the reasoning you offered. If true though, your comments demonstrate why UNCC would make a very poor CAA FB expansion candidate and why I'd be suprised if the league said anything other than, "Thanks, but no thanks." Of course, if an FBS move is not in the works as you suggest, then the chances of UNCC being voted in as a CAA FB member improve, assuming the CAA doesn't play hardball and insist on all sport membership.

While maybe not an impossible route, it's very difficult to survive as an FCS independent in the current environment, unless a quick (3-4 yrs.) FBS move is planned. Remaining an independent for a decade or into the indefinite future is really not an option, which is why UNCC applied to CAA FB in the first place.

UNCC may have some interesting decisions to make about its FB program & Olympic sport programs in the very near future.

[49RFootballNow]

While I won't say it's impossible I will say it's highly unlikely we'll be bringing our basketball program to the CAA. Our current AD has pretty much said we're not leaving A10 basketball unless a major upgrade for basketball will result from the move. I honestly don't think we can make a committment to FCS football that would be more than 5 years at a time either. Part of the reason we are starting football is to get back to where we were (CUSA level) or beyond that. Now obviously if we can't get the attendance and community support to move to FBS in the next decade or so then the prospective will change.

I understand and don't disagree with any of the reasoning you offered. If true though, your comments demonstrate why UNCC would make a very poor CAA FB expansion candidate and why I'd be suprised if the league said anything other than, "Thanks, but no thanks." Of course, if an FBS move is not in the works as you suggest, then the chances of UNCC being voted in as a CAA FB member improve, assuming the CAA doesn't play hardball and insist on all sport membership.

While maybe not an impossible route, it's very difficult to survive as an FCS independent in the current environment, unless a quick (3-4 yrs.) FBS move is planned. Remaining an independent for a decade or into the indefinite future is really not an option, which is why UNCC applied to CAA FB in the first place.

UNCC may have some interesting decisions to make about its FB program & Olympic sport programs in the very near future.

To my knowledge we haven't actually officially applied for membership yet. Our AD has said she planned to talk with Yeager, and URI's President made some comments about us in the CAA. Most of us would gladly play all our sports but men's basketabll in the CAA, but men's basketball is the breadwinner for us. I think that unless something favorable is offered beforehand, that we'll begin looking at conference options seriously once the AD can turn a portion of program building over to the HC.

I think that our position in relation to the CAA is helped by the fact that Fordham is looking to go full scholarship. That would give the A10 5 football playing schools (I know URI is examining their conference alignment as we speak) and If UMass and URI with Fordham make a move I doubt Maine or UNH would not go with the whole of that group. That puts CAA football in a precarious situation and I doubt Yeager wants to rock the boat. Charlotte would be a big help for GSU's travel issues and Fordham could calm the northern schools' nerves. It may simply be to the CAA's overall advantage to take both schools to help maintain what the conference already has.

[henfan]

To my knowledge we haven't actually officially applied for membership yet. Our AD has said she planned to talk with Yeager, and URI's President made some comments about us in the CAA. Most of us would gladly play all our sports but men's basketabll in the CAA, but men's basketball is the breadwinner for us. I think that unless something favorable is offered beforehand, that we'll begin looking at conference options seriously once the AD can turn a portion of program building over to the HC.

I think that our position in relation to the CAA is helped by the fact that Fordham is looking to go full scholarship. That would give the A10 5 football playing schools (I know URI is examining their conference alignment as we speak) and If UMass and URI with Fordham make a move I doubt Maine or UNH would not go with the whole of that group. That puts CAA football in a precarious situation and I doubt Yeager wants to rock the boat. Charlotte would be a big help for GSU's travel issues and Fordham could calm the northern schools' nerves. It may simply be to the CAA's overall advantage to take both schools to help maintain what the conference already has.

Sorry, I was under the impression that UNCC had applied to CAA FB. I read a few moments ago that this Yeager & Rose have only had 'casual conversations' about FB:http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stoc ... 06073.html

I'm not confident that UMass, UNH & UMaine are going anywhere, even with the addition of a full scholarship Fordham. That group has nowhere else to go. We've run over this scenario a million times over the years. If anything, it appears less likely now more than ever before.

URI will not likely be part of this conversation for much longer, as they appear headed for scholarship reductions and NEC membership. If they go in that direction, they will not be partnering with UMaine, UNH or UMass. Should URI vamoose and even if VU should leave for the Big East, CAA FB will not in "precarious" shape or in need of more members. With ODU & GSU coming on, the conference will be in fine with those two and TU, UD, W&M and JMU as its 6 core members and UR, UMaine, UNH & UMass as FB members. Hopefully, VCU and GMU will be considering FB teams in the future or, if deemed necessary, the league will expand its core membership to include schools who sponsor FB.

Other than reducing GSU's number of flights by one each season and possibly opening a media market to the CAA, UNCC wouldn't provide CAA FB or the CAA with any other advantages. Charlotte is just another flight for the majority of CAA FB schools.

[89Hen]

I think that our position in relation to the CAA is helped by the fact that Fordham is looking to go full scholarship. That would give the A10 5 football playing schools (I know URI is examining their conference alignment as we speak) and If UMass and URI with Fordham make a move I doubt Maine or UNH would not go with the whole of that group. That puts CAA football in a precarious situation and I doubt Yeager wants to rock the boat. Charlotte would be a big help for GSU's travel issues and Fordham could calm the northern schools' nerves. It may simply be to the CAA's overall advantage to take both schools to help maintain what the conference already has.

Not sure I'd say the CAA would be in a precarious situation and I'm not sure that Richmond is ready to follow an A10 football conference over one that has W&M, JMU and ODU in it.

UD, TU, W&M, JMU, ODU, GSU... they will technically have enough for an autobid conference with just the all-sport members. UR isn't going anywhere, nor is Villanova.

To be perfectly honest, I've been hoping the northern teams leave the CAA anyway. It's absolutely nothing personal against any of them, but it's the southern part of the conference that has decided to upgrade their programs.

[State Line Liquors]

I think that our position in relation to the CAA is helped by the fact that Fordham is looking to go full scholarship. That would give the A10 5 football playing schools (I know URI is examining their conference alignment as we speak) and If UMass and URI with Fordham make a move I doubt Maine or UNH would not go with the whole of that group. That puts CAA football in a precarious situation and I doubt Yeager wants to rock the boat. Charlotte would be a big help for GSU's travel issues and Fordham could calm the northern schools' nerves. It may simply be to the CAA's overall advantage to take both schools to help maintain what the conference already has.

Am I missing something here? What exactly is Charlotte bringing to the table for the CAA? Charlotte hasn't even hired a coach yet, have they? Based upon your line of thinking, Charlotte has some position of leverage over an entire football conference with the stroke of a pen.

If anything, the dialogue has been URI trying to save money and reduce the number of football scholarships. Richmond is suddenly going to fold up their CAA football tent and join Charlotte, UMass, URI & Fordham in some rehash of A10 football? Frankly, I think it's highly presumptuous on your part to think that the mere existence of Charlotte in football is some sort of game changer, particularly given that Charlotte is most likely incapable of offering any kind of assurances relative to the length of their stay at this level. I prefer my fairy tales on DVD.