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JoltinJoe wrote:
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Geraldo Rivera thinks Roger's Texas lawyer, Rusty Hardin, was guilty of malpractice for letting his client testify to Congress without taking the Fifth.

And we all know what sharp legal acumen Geraldo has. :coffee:
This is funny, because Roger wanted to testify. Congress didn't issue a subpoena to him. He went there on his own volition to clear his name. So why would he volunteer to testify and then take the Fifth?

He never should have testified in front of congress. Once he made the decision to do so, there is no amount of lawyering which could have saved him.

That all said, I still think there's a very good chance he beats this rap. Having read the indictment yesterday, I'd say if he is found guilty of anything, it will be on the two counts asserting (i) he gave a false statement to investigators and (ii) he lied to congress about HGH use. This is because there is a reference to the statement of "Major League Baseball Player #1" (whose identity is known the grand jury :lol: ) that Clemens once told him that he had used HGH. All other counts are supported by the statements of "Major League Trainer #1 (whose identity is known the grand jury :lol: ). I have a sneaking suspicion that Major League Trainer #1 is not going to be a strong witness.
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Ivytalk wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
This is funny, because Roger wanted to testify. Congress didn't issue a subpoena to him. He went there on his own volition to clear his name. So why would he volunteer to testify and then take the Fifth?

He never should have testified in front of congress. Once he made the decision to do so, there is no amount of lawyering which could have saved him.

That all said, I still think there's a very good chance he beats this rap. Having read the indictment yesterday, I'd say if he is found guilty of anything, it will be on the two counts asserting (i) he gave a false statement to investigators and (ii) he lied to congress about HGH use. This is because there is a reference to the statement of "Major League Baseball Player #1" (whose identity is known the grand jury :lol: ) that Clemens once told him that he had used HGH. All other counts are supported by the statements of "Major League Trainer #1 (whose identity is known the grand jury :lol: ). I have a sneaking suspicion that Major League Trainer #1 is not going to be a strong witness.
Jose Canseco, call your office! :mrgreen:
I believe MLB Player #1 is Andy Pettitte, not Canseco. This is a Yankee on Yankee crime. :thumb:
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93henfan wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
Jose Canseco, call your office! :mrgreen:
I believe MLB Player #1 is Andy Pettitte, not Canseco. This is a Yankee on Yankee crime. :thumb:
:rofl:

I don't understand why anyone would defend Clemens. I don't care if he pitched for your team or not, or if he's guilty or not. He is an idiot. All he had to do was keep his mouth shut and this wouldn't be happening. What a dunce.
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JoltinJoe wrote:But how do they keep out a Barry Bonds or a Roger Clemens after a jury returns a "not guilty" verdict? That might be tough to justify.
OJ was "not guilty". :nod: :nod:

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SumItUp wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:But how do they keep out a Barry Bonds or a Roger Clemens after a jury returns a "not guilty" verdict? That might be tough to justify.
OJ was "not guilty". :nod: :nod:

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Excellent point. :thumb:
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BlueHen86 wrote:
SumItUp wrote:
OJ was "not guilty". :nod: :nod:

:rofl:
Excellent point. :thumb:
But OJ's in the HOF. ;)
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Excellent point. :thumb:
But OJ's in the HOF. ;)
Only because he was already in the HOF when the murder occured, I believe that there was talk of removing him if he had been found guilty.

I doubt if he gets in now had he not already been in.
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BlueHen86 wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
But OJ's in the HOF. ;)
Only because he was already in the HOF when the murder occured, I believe that there was talk of removing him if he had been found guilty.

I doubt if he gets in now had he not already been in.
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See ya, @$$hole!
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I hope they nail Clemens to the wall and that this whole thing unravels into Jeter being at the heart of the entire MLB steriod scandal.
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andy7171 wrote:I hope they nail Clemens to the wall and that this whole thing unravels into Jeter being at the heart of the entire MLB steriod scandal.
:lol:

By the way, my wife made me go see some movie last weekend with Will Ferrell (forget the name, The Other Guys maybe?). The movie sucked, but there was a pretty comical scene with one of the cops accidentally shooting Derek Jeter and being forever referred to in his precinct as the Yankee Clipper.
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andy7171 wrote:I hope they nail Clemens to the wall and that this whole thing unravels into Jeter being at the heart of the entire MLB steriod scandal.
I actually hope the latter is not the case. Jeter (and Rivera) is the last truly respectable Yankee. There is no one in that organization anymore that I respect for being a Yankee (not for being a great baseball player, which is entirely different).
Of course, if it were to happen that Jeter is somehow involved then I would not respect him any longer and he would be categorized with the rest of the cheaters on that team, past or present ;)
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