Fire at Tennessee mosque site ruled arson:

[Appaholic]

While I believe building a mosque near ground zero is legal but in poor taste, I believe this arson was illegal but I don't care...it's an arson crime & should be treated as such just like the 1st WTC bombers were treated like criminals, not terrorists....oh the irony...

[Skjellyfetti]

it's an arson crime & should be treated as such just like the 1st WTC bombers were treated like criminals, not terrorists....

Being sent to Guantanamo Bay, waterboarded, tried under military courts as an "enemy combatant", etc. is being treated like a criminal instead of a terrorist?

[Appaholic]

it's an arson crime & should be treated as such just like the 1st WTC bombers were treated like criminals, not terrorists....

Being sent to Guantanamo Bay, waterboarded, tried under military courts as an "enemy combatant", etc. is being treated like a criminal instead of a terrorist? Ok.

Don't believe they were treated as such? I could be wrong, but isn't Ramzi Yusef setting in Florence? The harsh treatment was usually reserved for the domestic terrorists at Ruby Ridge & Waco under the clinton regime....

[Cap'n Cat]

Being sent to Guantanamo Bay, waterboarded, tried under military courts as an "enemy combatant", etc. is being treated like a criminal instead of a terrorist? Ok.

Don't believe they were treated as such? I could be wrong, but isn't Ramzi Yusef setting in Florence? The harsh treatment was usually reserved for the domestic terrorists at Ruby Ridge & Waco under the clinton regime....

Oh, so, now, we can't enforce our own gun laws, eh?

[Appaholic]

Don't believe they were treated as such? I could be wrong, but isn't Ramzi Yusef setting in Florence? The harsh treatment was usually reserved for the domestic terrorists at Ruby Ridge & Waco under the clinton regime....

Oh, so, now, we can't enforce our own gun laws, eh?

By assasinating a suspect's son? Or assasinating the suspect's wife? While she's holding a baby?

Before the negotiators arrived at the cabin, an FBI HRT sniper, Lon Horiuchi, shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son.[44] (The sniper testified at the later trial that he had put his crosshairs on Weaver's spine, but Weaver moved at the last second.) Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara,[45] and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, which passed through Vicki Weaver's head, killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elisheba[45] in her arms. The OPR review also found the lack of a request to surrender was "inexcusable", since Harris and the two Weavers were running for cover without returning fire and were not an imminent threat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

I guess killing is OK with you as long as it supports the feds or against a religious group....

[Cap'n Cat]

Oh, so, now, we can't enforce our own gun laws, eh?

By assasinating a suspect's son? Or assasinating the suspect's wife? While she's holding a baby?

Before the negotiators arrived at the cabin, an FBI HRT sniper, Lon Horiuchi, shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son.[44] (The sniper testified at the later trial that he had put his crosshairs on Weaver's spine, but Weaver moved at the last second.) Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara,[45] and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, which passed through Vicki Weaver's head, killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elisheba[45] in her arms. The OPR review also found the lack of a request to surrender was "inexcusable", since Harris and the two Weavers were running for cover without returning fire and were not an imminent threat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

I guess killing is OK with you as long as it supports the feds or against a religious group....

Just bad aim, Appy. Kinda like that shit that killed Tillman, huh? Collateral damage. I got no time for these militia fvcks who bring this shit on themselves, then whine on camera for sympathy and point the finger and the big, bad government. Fvck them. Tax money well-spent.

Janet Reno should be on Rushmore for that and the case with that Cuban kid. And Waco.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Conks, any thoughts? This kind of sh*t is destroying your party. Inclusiveness is as American as apple pie, but you guys relish sh*t pies!

GObama!!!!!!!!

Welcoming in a mosque and the people that worship in it, is a pure and simple willingness to give up your country. Muslims cant spin what their religion preaches.

Start the torches and put some bacon on the grill.

[Skjellyfetti]

Don't believe they were treated as such? I could be wrong, but isn't Ramzi Yusef setting in Florence? The harsh treatment was usually reserved for the domestic terrorists at Ruby Ridge & Waco under the clinton regime....

Not his uncle (and proud NC State alum) Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

[mrklean]

Conks, any thoughts? This kind of sh*t is destroying your party. Inclusiveness is as American as apple pie, but you guys relish sh*t pies!

GObama!!!!!!!!

Welcoming in a mosque and the people that worship in it, is a pure and simple willingness to give up your country. Muslims cant spin what their religion preaches.

Start the torches and put some bacon on the grill.

Pure and simple Hate and Bigotry. The worst part of America They do die off in time.

[YoUDeeMan]

What happened in Iowa was and is wrong and the local Police will handle it!

Hey klean, if a group of whites went around and had a "beat blackey" night, you'd lose your mind.

Local police handle it? You'd be calling for the President and every politican to rise up and denounce racism and make a statement that they were going to put more police and resources (money) into the area. Jesse Jackson and every other narrow-minded, one way racist clown would be on hand and every network would cover the event. You'd be claiming that a race war would be starting because of the racism inherent in whites.

But when whites get beaten by a roving gang of blacks in Iowa on a "beat whitey" night, you were silent. And then you offered the pitiful, "local police will handle it."

And what about Philly? Blacks were targeting asians for beat downs. Let's hush up that, too. Keep it "local".

Perhaps Obama will have the school's administrators over for a beer on the White House lawn.

African-Americans attack Asians and the nation yawns

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054321-109.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hope she wins the lawsuit.

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[D1B]

Any time anything religious is destroyed, it's a good thing.

Bet it wasn't an atheist who torched the dump.

[blueballs]

Don't believe they were treated as such? I could be wrong, but isn't Ramzi Yusef setting in Florence? The harsh treatment was usually reserved for the domestic terrorists at Ruby Ridge & Waco under the clinton regime....

Not his uncle (and proud NC State alum) Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

Which raises an interesting question... do you have a problem with using coercive interrogation techniques to extarct information from one of the "board of directors" of the largest and most dangerous terrorist organization in the world- the man who planned and iimplemented 9/11- if it saves innocent lives?

[Appaholic]

Don't believe they were treated as such? I could be wrong, but isn't Ramzi Yusef setting in Florence? The harsh treatment was usually reserved for the domestic terrorists at Ruby Ridge & Waco under the clinton regime....

Not his uncle (and proud NC State alum) Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

Read my original statement....1st WTC bombers who were tried as criminals as our government misguidedly believed it was a matter for law enforcement, not an attempted attack upon our country. Yet, the same admin had no problem believing Waco, Ruby Ridge & OKC was a domsetic terror initiative.

BTW, why do liberals have no problem with a president suspending habeus corpus in an effort to save the union from misguided former countrymen yet fight tooth&nail to insure that someone not born in our country, who is part of a movement that promotes martyrdom in an effort to destroy our country, suffer minimal discomfort once caught?

[mrklean]

What happened in Iowa was and is wrong and the local Police will handle it!

Hey klean, if a group of whites went around and had a "beat blackey" night, you'd lose your mind.

Local police handle it? You'd be calling for the President and every politican to rise up and denounce racism and make a statement that they were going to put more police and resources (money) into the area. Jesse Jackson and every other narrow-minded, one way racist clown would be on hand and every network would cover the event. You'd be claiming that a race war would be starting because of the racism inherent in whites.

But when whites get beaten by a roving gang of blacks in Iowa on a "beat whitey" night, you were silent. And then you offered the pitiful, "local police will handle it."

And what about Philly? Blacks were targeting asians for beat downs. Let's hush up that, too. Keep it "local".

Perhaps Obama will have the school's administrators over for a beer on the White House lawn.

African-Americans attack Asians and the nation yawns

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054321-109.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hope she wins the lawsuit.

http://philadelphiapersonalinjuryblog.c ... ttack.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I see you are still side stepping the question. That's show what your beliefs are!! But thats ok, you are who you are.

BTW, I could give a F*&k what color the victim is. That is some ones son, daughter, sister, brother or friend. It saddens me that in 2010 people are still acting like savages wither it be the stupid ass black people in Iowa or the stupid ass white people in NYC. in KLEAN BOOKS, WRONG is WRONG.........PERIOD!

[YoUDeeMan]

I see you are still side stepping the question. That's show what your beliefs are!! But thats ok, you are who you are.

BTW, I could give a F*&k what color the victim is. That is some ones son, daughter, sister, brother or friend. It saddens me that in 2010 people are still acting like savages wither it be the stupid ass black people in Iowa or the stupid ass white people in NYC. in KLEAN BOOKS, WRONG is WRONG.........PERIOD!

I answered your question....remember, the one you didn't ask, but I answered it anyway. Go back and read. No side stepping...a flat out simple answer WAS provided. Are you really that blind?

Now, about YOUR side stepping. Sure, you came out here and said the Iowa mob was wrong. Good to hear. Nice of you to join the Iowa party so late...but it is clear that you only answered due to the hand delivered invitation in this thread. You were forced to play a hand or you'd end up looking..well...racist if you didn't. Too bad you didn't jump into the Iowa thread as quickly as you jumped into this one...but that has been par for the course with you.

Over the years you've been jumping, without personal invitations, into a lot of threads and rambling about racism...always quick to bring up the wrong doings of the Man...and yet over the years you consistently hesistate to condemn black racism and often ignore the threads where blacks have been the instigators.

Talk all you want about your own perception of your, "I could give a F*&k what color the victim is", but your hesitation to jump into the other threads is a dead giveaway...in reality you are slow to condemn your own race when it comes to their violence and racism against others. So, if you want to pass yourself off as some sort of even handed person, you might want to change your behavior and be as quick to condemn blacks as you are others. Otherwise, you are not fooling anyone except yourself.

Now, feel free to go back and read my response to your side stepping accusation. Feel free to add any other questions you don't feel like asking and I'll respond to them also.

[mrklean]

I see you are still side stepping the question. That's show what your beliefs are!! But thats ok, you are who you are.

BTW, I could give a F*&k what color the victim is. That is some ones son, daughter, sister, brother or friend. It saddens me that in 2010 people are still acting like savages wither it be the stupid ass black people in Iowa or the stupid ass white people in NYC. in KLEAN BOOKS, WRONG is WRONG.........PERIOD!

I answered your question....remember, the one you didn't ask, but I answered it anyway. Go back and read. No side stepping...a flat out simple answer WAS provided. Are you really that blind?

Now, about YOUR side stepping. Sure, you came out here and said the Iowa mob was wrong. Good to hear. Nice of you to join the Iowa party so late...but it is clear that you only answered due to the hand delivered invitation in this thread. You were forced to play a hand or you'd end up looking..well...racist if you didn't. Too bad you didn't jump into the Iowa thread as quickly as you jumped into this one...but that has been par for the course with you.

Over the years you've been jumping, without personal invitations, into a lot of threads and rambling about racism...always quick to bring up the wrong doings of the Man...and yet over the years you consistently hesistate to condemn black racism and often ignore the threads where blacks have been the instigators.

Talk all you want about your own perception of your, "I could give a F*&k what color the victim is", but your hesitation to jump into the other threads is a dead giveaway...in reality you are slow to condemn your own race when it comes to their violence and racism against others. So, if you want to pass yourself off as some sort of even handed person, you might want to change your behavior and be as quick to condemn blacks as you are others. Otherwise, you are not fooling anyone except yourself.

Now, feel free to go back and read my response to your side stepping accusation. Feel free to add any other questions you don't feel like asking and I'll respond to them also.

[YoUDeeMan]

So you agree with me that I answered the question that you didn't actually pose and that you are indeed slow to condemn acts of racism by blacks.

You can't even cover yourself well...

BTW, I could give a F*&k what color the victim is.

No one said anything about the victims. We were, of course, talking about the perps, but you couldn't handle that without hesitating...yet again.

I'll be looking for you in the next "beat down" thread. The truth will set you free!

[mrklean]

So you agree with me that I answered the question that you didn't actually pose and that you are indeed slow to condemn acts of racism by blacks.

You can't even cover yourself well...

BTW, I could give a F*&k what color the victim is.

No one said anything about the victims. We were, of course, talking about the perps, but you couldn't handle that without hesitating...yet again.

I'll be looking for you in the next "beat down" thread. The truth will set you free!

Chuck U new name is Mr. Side Step.

[YoUDeeMan]

So you agree with me that I answered the question that you didn't actually pose and that you are indeed slow to condemn acts of racism by blacks.

You can't even cover yourself well...



No one said anything about the victims. We were, of course, talking about the perps, but you couldn't handle that without hesitating...yet again.

I'll be looking for you in the next "beat down" thread. The truth will set you free!

Chuck U new name is Mr. Side Step.

Far better than being the Mr. Racist Klean. Enjoy your day...you've been exposed.

[mrklean]

Chuck U new name is Mr. Side Step. [/quot

Far better than being the Mr. Racist Klean. Enjoy your day...you've been exposed.

Yeah right me a racist...yeah. You dont believe that crap. Oh maybe you want to believe it. REAL men dont have to be racist because they can judge a man by his actions not his appearance. T

HIS CHUCK U you will never be!!!!!!!!!

[YoUDeeMan]

Yeah right me a racist...yeah. You dont believe that crap. Oh maybe you want to believe it. REAL men dont have to be racist because they can judge a man by his actions not his appearance. [/b][/size] T

HIS CHUCK U you will never be!!!!!!!!!

I AM judging you on your actions...that is what this is about. When you rush to jump into threads to condemn racism from other groups, yet you consistently hesistate to jump into threads to condemn racism from blacks, it is fairly clear where you really stand. Actions...good thing you recognize the point.

Defensively, you bring up a REAL MAN standard. Let's look at another REAL MAN example of yours. In your world "real men" would not inform a woman that their man was cheating. Forget about honesty...there is a "code"...and it trumps honesty. Funny you can't see that connection in your actions.

But hey, anyone can change their ways if they are committed to real change. It would be a breath of fresh air to see your next post where you chortle on about the "backwards azz urban thugs running a muck in your community".

Looking forward to it!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Welcoming in a mosque and the people that worship in it, is a pure and simple willingness to give up your country. Muslims cant spin what their religion preaches.

Start the torches and put some bacon on the grill.

Pure and simple Hate and Bigotry. The worst part of America They do die off in time.

Wow Klean, I never would have thought you would agree that the Muslims are full of hate and bigotry! Maybe there is hope for you yet!

[Col Hogan]

I wonder if the muslims in Nashville- and in New York- are as concerned about the rights of Christians and Jews in the middle east, particularly Saudi Arabia, where THERE IS NOT A SINGLE church or synagogue and people of the Christian or Jewish faith aren't allowed on the grounds of Mecca; as they are about their buildings.

This has nothing to do with anything. If you CHOOSE to go to Theocratic state, then you CHOOSE to follow the country's laws...just like anywhere else in the world. Second, in Saudi Arabia, you can pray in a Mosque as a non-Muslim as long as it's not in Medina or Mecca (which non-Muslims can't enter anyways), as long as you have permission from the imam, and as long as you take the shoes off and wash up before hand. Most every other Middle Eastern country has churches. Even Iran has churches. As for Mecca and Medina, Mecca is like the Vatican, and I'm pretty positive you can't worship (or enter?) as a non-Christian into the Vatican. Medina is the sight of the tomb of the prophet Mo and is considered sacred ground as well.

The beautiful think about the US is that we're not theocratic and can't compare to Saudi Arabia in terms of our government. We don't hold the bible, torah, quran, or anything else sacred...but we do the Constitution (well not anymore really ).

Just for the record, non-Catholics...non-Christians...regularly visit the Vatican as guests of the Pope and other leaders...

http://www.topnews.in/pope-receives-par ... ims-284957" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Cap'n Cat]

This has nothing to do with anything. If you CHOOSE to go to Theocratic state, then you CHOOSE to follow the country's laws...just like anywhere else in the world. Second, in Saudi Arabia, you can pray in a Mosque as a non-Muslim as long as it's not in Medina or Mecca (which non-Muslims can't enter anyways), as long as you have permission from the imam, and as long as you take the shoes off and wash up before hand. Most every other Middle Eastern country has churches. Even Iran has churches. As for Mecca and Medina, Mecca is like the Vatican, and I'm pretty positive you can't worship (or enter?) as a non-Christian into the Vatican. Medina is the sight of the tomb of the prophet Mo and is considered sacred ground as well.

The beautiful think about the US is that we're not theocratic and can't compare to Saudi Arabia in terms of our government. We don't hold the bible, torah, quran, or anything else sacred...but we do the Constitution (well not anymore really ).

Just for the record, non-Catholics...non-Christians...regularly visit the Vatican as guests of the Pope and other leaders...

http://www.topnews.in/pope-receives-par ... ims-284957" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I blew the Pope once.

[mrklean]

Yeah right me a racist...yeah. You dont believe that crap. Oh maybe you want to believe it. REAL men dont have to be racist because they can judge a man by his actions not his appearance. [/b][/size] T

HIS CHUCK U you will never be!!!!!!!!!

I AM judging you on your actions...that is what this is about. When you rush to jump into threads to condemn racism from other groups, yet you consistently hesistate to jump into threads to condemn racism from blacks, it is fairly clear where you really stand. Actions...good thing you recognize the point.

Defensively, you bring up a REAL MAN standard. Let's look at another REAL MAN example of yours. In your world "real men" would not inform a woman that their man was cheating. Forget about honesty...there is a "code"...and it trumps honesty. Funny you can't see that connection in your actions.

But hey, anyone can change their ways if they are committed to real change. It would be a breath of fresh air to see your next post where you chortle on about the "backwards azz urban thugs running a muck in your community".

Looking forward to it!

I still would not tell the wife. I Believe that the personal relationship between a man and his wife is their business.
As for you, you tell because you are such a little BITCH!!!

FYI, I dont have backward azz urban thugs in my community. See when Chuck talks long enough, He shows his true colors or is it non-colors...........lol