Most people still are misinformed on health care......

[Col Hogan]

See, that's the thing. I think either side you're on on this issue, we can agree the massive stupid paperwork and bickering between insurance and providers needs to just stop already.

Nailed it, and that's why single payer is an interesting option.

And who would run this single payer system???

[Cap'n Cat]

Nailed it, and that's why single payer is an interesting option.

And who would run this single payer system???

When the Chinese get here in 2015, they will show us exactly how to run such a system.




"Ah so, I see Komrade Hogan is back with his herpes flare up."

"Tie him to a tree, Cadet Chin."

[CID1990]

And who would run this single payer system???

When the Chinese get here in 2015, they will show us exactly how to run such a system.




"Ah so, I see Komrade Hogan is back with his herpes flare up."

"Tie him to a tree, Cadet Chin."

Once again you are totally fvcking wrong, Cap'n.


































































The Chinese will be here in 2020.

[Appaholic]

Why do you believe the government should provide infrastructure?

jelly..my problem with you, and those of your ilk, are that when you post those words "the government" you normally mean the Federal Government...

Government, as a whole, is needed and necessary...it's just the Constitution (I know, you'd rather forget that nasty little document) outlines what is the Federal Responsibility, and what is a state responsibility...

Interstate Commerce is the often abused reason for the Federal government to do almost anything. The Founding Fathers never in their wildest dreams saw that one coming, yet today it is used and abused as a reason. I can see the Federal government contributing to infrastructure maintenance to support Interstate commerce, but the basic responsiibility to provide that infrastructure belongs as the state/local level (which is how the Interstate Highway system is maintained today)...

Education is not a federal responsibility, nor is health care...

Nailed it!

And all I need to know about this Obamacare is that now, if I want to use pre-tax dollars (via HC reimbursement) to purchase medications, I'll have to spend a $20 copay to get a prescription from Dr therby driving up waste in both my pocketbook as well as wasted time in the waiting room for me, the Dr & every other patient out there which equals lost productivity in the workplace which equals.....on & on & on....

[Cap'n Cat]

jelly..my problem with you, and those of your ilk, are that when you post those words "the government" you normally mean the Federal Government...

Government, as a whole, is needed and necessary...it's just the Constitution (I know, you'd rather forget that nasty little document) outlines what is the Federal Responsibility, and what is a state responsibility...

Interstate Commerce is the often abused reason for the Federal government to do almost anything. The Founding Fathers never in their wildest dreams saw that one coming, yet today it is used and abused as a reason. I can see the Federal government contributing to infrastructure maintenance to support Interstate commerce, but the basic responsiibility to provide that infrastructure belongs as the state/local level (which is how the Interstate Highway system is maintained today)...

Education is not a federal responsibility, nor is health care...

Nailed it!

And all I need to know about this Obamacare is that now, if I want to use pre-tax dollars (via HC reimbursement) to purchase medications, I'll have to spend a $20 copay to get a prescription from Dr therby driving up waste in both my pocketbook as well as wasted time in the waiting room for me, the Dr & every other patient out there which equals lost productivity in the workplace which equals.....on & on & on....

You know, Appy, if you were just healthy and fit and morally sound like The Cap'n, you wouldn't have to worry about Obamacare or medicine.

[Col Hogan]

Nailed it!

And all I need to know about this Obamacare is that now, if I want to use pre-tax dollars (via HC reimbursement) to purchase medications, I'll have to spend a $20 copay to get a prescription from Dr therby driving up waste in both my pocketbook as well as wasted time in the waiting room for me, the Dr & every other patient out there which equals lost productivity in the workplace which equals.....on & on & on....

You know, Appy, if you were just healthy and fit and morally sound like The Cap'n, you wouldn't have to worry about Obamacare or medicine.

First time EVER you will see "healthy and fit and morally sound" in a sentence about Cap...

[Cap'n Cat]

Education IS a federal responsibility and the equal distribution of good health care is, as well.

If that's commie or socialist, I wear your scorn as a badge of honor. I will work for a future state in which the government heavily regulates and, in fact, operates health care, if need be.

One thing you shortsighted dorks always neglect, too, is the corporate and individual responsibility angles in this issue. We create our own problems!!!

McDonalds and Burger King and KFC bombard us with images designed to get us to consume shit and then we do consume the shit! The corps know we're addicted and have virtually no chance to get out from under the rolls of fat dripping of our bodies and the consumers just give up and throw temselves on the health care system, dragging it down.

Conks, or anyone fighting health care reform, are just perpetuating the status quo.

[Cap'n Cat]

You know, Appy, if you were just healthy and fit and morally sound like The Cap'n, you wouldn't have to worry about Obamacare or medicine.

First time EVER you will see "healthy and fit and morally sound" in a sentence about Cap...

BTW, I have ZERO copay for ANYTHING - scrips, visits, surgery, etc. Mama works for the State of Minnesota and it has a Cadillac bennies program.

[Col Hogan]

Education IS a federal responsibility and the equal distribution of good health care is, as well.

If that's commie or socialist, I wear your scorn as a badge of honor. I will work for a future state in which the government heavily regulates and, in fact, operates health care, if need be.

One thing you shortsighted dorks always neglect, too, is the corporate and individual responsibility angles in this issue. We create our own problems!!!

McDonalds and Burger King and KFC bombard us with images designed to get us to consume **** and then we do consume the ****! The corps know we're addicted and have virtually no chance to get out from under the rolls of fat dripping of our bodies and the consumers just give up and throw temselves on the health care system, dragging it down.

Conks, or anyone fighting health care reform, are just perpetuating the status quo.

I know...that messy CONSTITUTION just keeps getting in the way, doesn't it...

[Cap'n Cat]

Education IS a federal responsibility and the equal distribution of good health care is, as well.

If that's commie or socialist, I wear your scorn as a badge of honor. I will work for a future state in which the government heavily regulates and, in fact, operates health care, if need be.

One thing you shortsighted dorks always neglect, too, is the corporate and individual responsibility angles in this issue. We create our own problems!!!

McDonalds and Burger King and KFC bombard us with images designed to get us to consume **** and then we do consume the ****! The corps know we're addicted and have virtually no chance to get out from under the rolls of fat dripping of our bodies and the consumers just give up and throw temselves on the health care system, dragging it down.

Conks, or anyone fighting health care reform, are just perpetuating the status quo.

I know...that messy CONSTITUTION just keeps getting in the way, doesn't it...

Yeah, it's a HUGE threat to the Constie, Hoagie. Might as well let the Teabaggers run wild and take over the White House!

[Col Hogan]

Education IS a federal responsibility and the equal distribution of good health care is, as well.

If that's commie or socialist, I wear your scorn as a badge of honor. I will work for a future state in which the government heavily regulates and, in fact, operates health care, if need be.

I know...that messy CONSTITUTION just keeps getting in the way, doesn't it...

Yeah, it's a HUGE threat to the Constie, Hoagie. Might as well let the Teabaggers run wild and take over the White House!

Hey Cap....I left my reading glasses home today....where in the Constitution is Education or medical care listed as a Federal Responsibility???

[Appaholic]

First time EVER you will see "healthy and fit and morally sound" in a sentence about Cap...

BTW, I have ZERO copay for ANYTHING - scrips, visits, surgery, etc. Mama works for the State of Minnesota and it has a Cadillac bennies program.

So, your familes' healthcare is run by the state of Minnesota & NOT the federal government? What gives the state of Minnesota the right to provide you with healthcare? Oh, that's right, the Constitution since it isn't specifically notated as a federal responsibility.

BTW, how have you survived? Surely, your healthcare would improve dramatically if run by the feds.

[Cap'n Cat]

Education IS a federal responsibility and the equal distribution of good health care is, as well.

If that's commie or socialist, I wear your scorn as a badge of honor. I will work for a future state in which the government heavily regulates and, in fact, operates health care, if need be.

Yeah, it's a HUGE threat to the Constie, Hoagie. Might as well let the Teabaggers run wild and take over the White House!

Hey Cap....I left my reading glasses home today....where in the Constitution is Education or medical care listed as a Federal Responsibility???

It isn't. You were the dope who brought up the Constie. I don't care how it's done, but the Federal Govt WILL be running the show in the future as Conks can't keep from discriminating and looting.

[Cap'n Cat]

BTW, I have ZERO copay for ANYTHING - scrips, visits, surgery, etc. Mama works for the State of Minnesota and it has a Cadillac bennies program.

So, your familes' healthcare is run by the state of Minnesota & NOT the federal government? What gives the state of Minnesota the right to provide you with healthcare? Oh, that's right, the Constitution since it isn't specifically notated as a federal responsibility.

BTW, how have you survived? Surely, your healthcare would improve dramatically if run by the feds.

You conks, SMFH...............

Health care reform will NOT affect my health care. You can't even show me that it positively will, it's all Conkjecture and fearmongering!

Try again, Limbaugh.

[Ibanez]

Post the link and maybe one or two paragraphs, not the whole fucking thing.

[Cap'n Cat]

Post the link and maybe one or two paragraphs, not the whole fucking thing.

Post what?

[Col Hogan]

Hey Cap....I left my reading glasses home today....where in the Constitution is Education or medical care listed as a Federal Responsibility???

It isn't. You were the dope who brought up the Constie. I don't care how it's done, but the Federal Govt WILL be running the show in the future as Conks can't keep from discriminating and looting.

Got it...you don't care about the Constitution...

[kalm]

Education IS a federal responsibility and the equal distribution of good health care is, as well.

If that's commie or socialist, I wear your scorn as a badge of honor. I will work for a future state in which the government heavily regulates and, in fact, operates health care, if need be.

Yeah, it's a HUGE threat to the Constie, Hoagie. Might as well let the Teabaggers run wild and take over the White House!

Hey Cap....I left my reading glasses home today....where in the Constitution is Education or medical care listed as a Federal Responsibility???

The preamble says to promote the general welfare.

[AZGrizFan]

Nailed it!

And all I need to know about this Obamacare is that now, if I want to use pre-tax dollars (via HC reimbursement) to purchase medications, I'll have to spend a $20 copay to get a prescription from Dr therby driving up waste in both my pocketbook as well as wasted time in the waiting room for me, the Dr & every other patient out there which equals lost productivity in the workplace which equals.....on & on & on....

You know, Appy, if you were just healthy and fit and morally sound like The Cap'n, you wouldn't have to worry about Obamacare or medicine.

Que the death panels.

[Col Hogan]

Hey Cap....I left my reading glasses home today....where in the Constitution is Education or medical care listed as a Federal Responsibility???

The preamble says to promote the general welfare.

Yep it does...

But it then goes on to list specific federal responsibilities and says anything else is left to the states...

FAIL

[kalm]

The preamble says to promote the general welfare.

Yep it does...

But it then goes on to list specific federal responsibilities and says anything else is left to the states...

FAIL

Section 8: The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;[/quote

Oops, there it is again. Damn, pesky constitution.

I know, you think the consititution is black and white and not open to interpretation and are bracing to provide me with the strict constructionists argument. Don't bother, I get your point and actually see some validity to it. But it's still just your opinion and not as cut and dry as you let on.

[Appaholic]

So, your familes' healthcare is run by the state of Minnesota & NOT the federal government? What gives the state of Minnesota the right to provide you with healthcare? Oh, that's right, the Constitution since it isn't specifically notated as a federal responsibility.

BTW, how have you survived? Surely, your healthcare would improve dramatically if run by the feds.

You conks, SMFH...............

Health care reform will NOT affect my health care. You can't even show me that it positively will, it's all Conkjecture and fearmongering!

Try again, Limbaugh.

No, but it will affect how yours (& my) federal tax dollars are spent when it should be under the control of the states or private industry since it's not enumerated as a federal responsibility in our Constitution. You want federal healthcare? Great. Have the constitution amended to specify it is a responsibility of the feds but don't shove it down the citizen's throats without being willing to do the proper legwork....

[Cap'n Cat]

You conks, SMFH...............

Health care reform will NOT affect my health care. You can't even show me that it positively will, it's all Conkjecture and fearmongering!

Try again, Limbaugh.

No, but it will affect how yours (& my) federal tax dollars are spent when it should be under the control of the states or private industry since it's not enumerated as a federal responsibility in our Constitution. You want federal healthcare? Great. Have the constitution amended to specify it is a responsibility of the feds but don't shove it down the citizen's throats without being willing to do the proper legwork....

That's what you think and you're entitled to that. It's not what I think.

In the immortal words of the Immortal One: