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Economy rolling? Cut taxes. Economy crumbling? Cut taxes.

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So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?
David Cay Johnston | Sep. 24, 2010 08:02 PM EDT


The 2008 income tax data are now in, so we can assess the fulfillment of the Republican promise that tax cuts would produce widespread prosperity by looking at all the years of the George W. Bush presidency.

Just as they did in 2000, the Republicans are running this year on an economic platform of tax cuts, especially making the tax cuts permanent for the richest among us. So how did the tax cuts work out? My analysis of the new data, with all figures in 2008 dollars:

Total income was $2.74 trillion less during the eight Bush years than if incomes had stayed at 2000 levels.

That much additional income would have more than made up for the lack of demand that keeps us mired in the Great Recession. That would mean no need for a stimulus, although it would not have affected the last administration's interfering with market capitalism by bailing out irresponsible Wall Streeters instead of letting the market determine their fortunes.

In only two years was total income up, but even when those years are combined they exceed the declines in only one of the other six years.

Even if we limit the analysis by starting in 2003, when the dividend and capital gains tax cuts began, through the peak year of 2007, the result is still less income than at the 2000 level. Total income was down $951 billion during those four years.

Average incomes fell. Average taxpayer income was down $3,512, or 5.7 percent, in 2008 compared with 2000, President Bush's own benchmark year for his promises of prosperity through tax cuts.

Had incomes stayed at 2000 levels, the average taxpayer would have earned almost $21,000 more over those eight years. That's almost $50 per week.

The changes in average and total incomes are detailed on the next page in Table 1, the first of four tables analyzing the whole data.

Now that we have looked at the whole eight-year period, what does the new data show about 2008, the worst recession ear since the 1930s, show when compared to the peak year of 2007, when the average taxpayer made $63,096, which was 2.5 percent more than in 2000.

In only two of the eight Bush years, 2006 and 2007, were average incomes higher than in 2000, but the gains were highly concentrated at the top. Of the total increase in income in 2007 over that in 2005, nearly 30 percent went to taxpayers who made $1 million or more.

Now surely some will say that it is not fair to saddle George W. Bush and those who supported his tax cuts with the economic figures from 2001 and 2008. The first would be on the theory that President Clinton should be charged for that year (just as Bush should be charged with 2009, the first year of the Obama administration). The second is on less solid ground, but let's consider it for the sake of argument.

Just measuring the second through seventh years we find that total income was still nearly $2 trillion lower than if 2000 level income continued. Stacking the deck in President George W. Bush's favor does not change the awful performance or even soften it much.

The tax cuts cost $1.8 trillion in the first eight years, according to an analysis by the Tax Policy Center, whose reliability the last administration went out of its way to praise. Those cuts were heavily weighted toward the people candidate George W. Bush famously called "haves and the have-mores . . . some people call you the elite. I call you my base."

In the two years since 2008, the cuts' total cost grew to $2.3 trillion, the Tax Policy Center estimated.

One of every eight dollars of the tax cuts went to the 1 in 1,000 taxpayers in the top tenth of 1 percent, the annual threshold for which was in the $2 million range throughout the last administration. The only other large beneficiary was parents with children under 17 who make enough to pay income taxes, thanks to the $1,000-per-child tax credit Republicans started championing in the mid-1990s.

Ignore the cynics who say the Republican leaders on Capitol Hill, in Wasilla, and on the airwaves care only about the rich. I don't believe that. I think they are captive to economic theories few of them understand and that are simplistic in the extreme. I take them at their word, that they truly believe their policies will produce broad benefits for all, but accepting that does not diminish the fact that the policies these Republicans promote also produce massive tax savings for the superrich who finance their campaigns.

The question to ask is whether their policies worked as promised. Have they even come close? Where is the prosperity -- and where was it in the Bush years, when massive increases in both military and discretionary spending provided a chronic stimulus to the economy?
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That too. :thumb:
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kalm wrote:Economy rolling? Cut taxes. Economy crumbling? Cut taxes.

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So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?
David Cay Johnston | Sep. 24, 2010 08:02 PM EDT


The 2008 income tax data are now in, so we can assess the fulfillment of the Republican promise that tax cuts would produce widespread prosperity by looking at all the years of the George W. Bush presidency.

Just as they did in 2000, the Republicans are running this year on an economic platform of tax cuts, especially making the tax cuts permanent for the richest among us. So how did the tax cuts work out? My analysis of the new data, with all figures in 2008 dollars:

Total income was $2.74 trillion less during the eight Bush years than if incomes had stayed at 2000 levels.

That much additional income would have more than made up for the lack of demand that keeps us mired in the Great Recession. That would mean no need for a stimulus, although it would not have affected the last administration's interfering with market capitalism by bailing out irresponsible Wall Streeters instead of letting the market determine their fortunes.

I stopped reading right there. How in the FUCK does ANY writer possibly criticize the past administration for irresponsible bailouts given what THIS administration has done? Dude lost all credibility at that point.

And while "cut taxes" may be a one-trick pony", so is "spend our way out of a recession", especially when we're putting it on China's credit card.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:Economy rolling? Cut taxes. Economy crumbling? Cut taxes.

One trick pony :ohno:
I stopped reading right there. How in the FUCK does ANY writer possibly criticize the past administration for irresponsible bailouts given what THIS administration has done? Dude lost all credibility at that point.

And while "cut taxes" may be a one-trick pony", so is "spend our way out of a recession", especially when we're putting it on China's credit card.

Irresponsible bailouts???? :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:


Ford is in talks about paying back the guv NEXT YEAR.
GM thinks it will pay back the guv in THREE YEARS.
A couple big banking firms HAVE paid back the guv and others are in a position to do so soon.


Your Conk blinders and rote ConkHate are getting in the way seriously, Z.


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Cap'n Cat wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I stopped reading right there. How in the FUCK does ANY writer possibly criticize the past administration for irresponsible bailouts given what THIS administration has done? Dude lost all credibility at that point.

And while "cut taxes" may be a one-trick pony", so is "spend our way out of a recession", especially when we're putting it on China's credit card.

Irresponsible bailouts???? :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:


Ford is in talks about paying back the guv NEXT YEAR.
GM thinks it will pay back the guv in THREE YEARS.
A couple big banking firms HAVE paid back the guv and others are in a position to do so soon.


Your Conk blinders and rote ConkHate are getting in the way seriously, Z.


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Ford didn't take any bailout money. :dunce: :dunce:
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HI54UNI wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

Irresponsible bailouts???? :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:


Ford is in talks about paying back the guv NEXT YEAR.
GM thinks it will pay back the guv in THREE YEARS.
A couple big banking firms HAVE paid back the guv and others are in a position to do so soon.


Your Conk blinders and rote ConkHate are getting in the way seriously, Z.


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AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:Economy rolling? Cut taxes. Economy crumbling? Cut taxes.

One trick pony :ohno:
I stopped reading right there. How in the **** does ANY writer possibly criticize the past administration for irresponsible bailouts given what THIS administration has done? Dude lost all credibility at that point.

And while "cut taxes" may be a one-trick pony", so is "spend our way out of a recession", especially when we're putting it on China's credit card.
As the IRS statistics cited in the article point out, we essentially put the Bush tax cuts on our China credit card as well.

You can make an argument that both administration's bailouts were wrong and I'm guessing this author is no fan of many of Obama's economic decisions starting with Geithner and Summers.

Now, please continue reading and edumacate yourself. :thumb:
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I stopped reading right there. How in the FUCK does ANY writer possibly criticize the past administration for irresponsible bailouts given what THIS administration has done? Dude lost all credibility at that point.

And while "cut taxes" may be a one-trick pony", so is "spend our way out of a recession", especially when we're putting it on China's credit card.

Irresponsible bailouts???? :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:


Ford is in talks about paying back the guv NEXT YEAR.
GM thinks it will pay back the guv in THREE YEARS.
A couple big banking firms HAVE paid back the guv and others are in a position to do so soon.


Your Conk blinders and rote ConkHate are getting in the way seriously, Z.


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I notice you left of AIG? And you conveniently ignore the fact that GM converted 80% of the bailout to stock?

And the bank bailouts were W's irresponsible move. :thumb:

I'm talking about the STIMULUS :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I stopped reading right there. How in the **** does ANY writer possibly criticize the past administration for irresponsible bailouts given what THIS administration has done? Dude lost all credibility at that point.

And while "cut taxes" may be a one-trick pony", so is "spend our way out of a recession", especially when we're putting it on China's credit card.
As the IRS statistics cited in the article point out, we essentially put the Bush tax cuts on our China credit card as well.

You can make an argument that both administration's bailouts were wrong and I'm guessing this author is no fan of many of Obama's economic decisions starting with Geithner and Summers.

Now, please continue reading and edumacate yourself. :thumb:
Nope. You can "guess" that the author isn't a fan of Obama, but he CLEARLY has a bias.
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HI54UNI wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

Irresponsible bailouts???? :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:


Ford is in talks about paying back the guv NEXT YEAR.
GM thinks it will pay back the guv in THREE YEARS.
A couple big banking firms HAVE paid back the guv and others are in a position to do so soon.


Your Conk blinders and rote ConkHate are getting in the way seriously, Z.


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Ford didn't take any bailout money. :dunce: :dunce:
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HI54UNI wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

Irresponsible bailouts???? :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:


Ford is in talks about paying back the guv NEXT YEAR.
GM thinks it will pay back the guv in THREE YEARS.
A couple big banking firms HAVE paid back the guv and others are in a position to do so soon.


Your Conk blinders and rote ConkHate are getting in the way seriously, Z.


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Ford didn't take any bailout money. :dunce: :dunce:
...and the big banking firms were bailed out by Bush & Paulson....but, by all means, continue your ill-informed & delusional rant.... :coffee:
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Taking any one particular policy (in this case tax cuts) and trying to analyze it in isolation withouth looking at the other myriad of policies that were going on at the same time (increasingly lax regulation, prolific government spending and earmarks, heavy subsidizing of subprime loans in an effort to boost home ownership numbers, nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan, among many others) is just pointless. The economy failed for a whole host of reasons, and probably the least of them was that taxes were cut early in Bush's first term.
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The answer for everything is quite simple. Population control. We're eating an burning ourselves out of a planet. You guys realize that we are a couple inches of topsoil and one worldwide drought away from catastrophe? Don't hand out dollars in Africa and Asia and South America - kill the Pope and hand out condoms.

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Appaholic wrote:
HI54UNI wrote:
Ford didn't take any bailout money. :dunce: :dunce:
...and the big banking firms were bailed out by Bush & Paulson....but, by all means, continue your ill-informed & delusional rant.... :coffee:


Cap'n Cat, as always, is on top of this sh*t. Conks read and interpret as they please, despite facts.

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Cap'n Cat wrote:The answer for everything is quite simple. Population control. We're eating an burning ourselves out of a planet. You guys realize that we are a couple inches of topsoil and one worldwide drought away from catastrophe? Don't hand out dollars in Africa and Asia and South America - kill the Pope and hand out condoms.

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Eh, dumb people still find ways to get pregnant even with condoms, the pill, and any other host of birth control. It's the smart people who use that stuff effectively and can limit their procreation. Your population control sounds great until we realize that we're not really controlling the size of the population but instead breeding out intelligence from the human race.

And really, all of this would've been moot if we had just expanded the space program after the moon landing (rather than basically closing shop) and started to look for off-world places to live. Plenty of planets out there, seems silly to just sit on one and twiddle our thumbs. :thumb:
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Cap'n Cat wrote:The answer for everything is quite simple. Population control. We're eating an burning ourselves out of a planet. You guys realize that we are a couple inches of topsoil and one worldwide drought away from catastrophe? Don't hand out dollars in Africa and Asia and South America - kill the Pope and hand out condoms.

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Cap'n, I'd imagine that you consume a lot more food and drink than most posters.

However, you are right on the money about population being a problem - in many ways. In the past, leaders used to recognize when their populaiton was getting too hard to control...and they'd whip up an excuse to invade a neighbor for supplies (and also to reduce their excess people). Smart leaders...when the poor begin to get uppity and start threatening the upper class, then it is time to get them focused on something else. Have them storm other people's castles.

Fast forward a couple centuries. Isreal has a problem...the poor Palistinians are multiplying like rabbits. The Danes have slums full of poor Muslims who are breeding. The USA has poor kids having even more babies...more fodder for the mills...except we don't have mills anymore. Can't send them out to get slaughtered in a war...not PC. Also, in the past, people didn't really know how poor they were. With TV and the internet...there is no hiding wealth. And now the poor are encouraged to vote and...imagine this...they want something other people have. :lol:

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GannonFan wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:The answer for everything is quite simple. Population control. We're eating an burning ourselves out of a planet. You guys realize that we are a couple inches of topsoil and one worldwide drought away from catastrophe? Don't hand out dollars in Africa and Asia and South America - kill the Pope and hand out condoms.

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Eh, dumb people still find ways to get pregnant even with condoms, the pill, and any other host of birth control. It's the smart people who use that stuff effectively and can limit their procreation. Your population control sounds great until we realize that we're not really controlling the size of the population but instead breeding out intelligence from the human race.

And really, all of this would've been moot if we had just expanded the space program after the moon landing (rather than basically closing shop) and started to look for off-world places to live. Plenty of planets out there, seems silly to just sit on one and twiddle our thumbs. :thumb:

Don't agree, Ganny, but I have another proposal in my back pocket. It's kinda Nazi-Conk-Pol Pot-Limbaugh-ish, but, we ought look into forced sterilization based on intelligence tests administered by the government. These inventories look at what a prepubescent teens potential capacity is for filling up the tax coffers and then judging from there. If they are found to be future ditchdiggers, that's cool, but they only get one child. If they exhibit propensity for lawyer, banker, Conk radio host, UNI football player, POTUS, or any other such positive contribution to capitalism, their fertility is not encumbered by regulation.

The panels who decide on the fate of applicants is to be made up of county Republican apparatchniks and their clergy.

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Cluck U wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:The answer for everything is quite simple. Population control. We're eating an burning ourselves out of a planet. You guys realize that we are a couple inches of topsoil and one worldwide drought away from catastrophe? Don't hand out dollars in Africa and Asia and South America - kill the Pope and hand out condoms.

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Cap'n, I'd imagine that you consume a lot more food and drink than most posters.

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That may be, Clucky, but I, in turn, return to the Earth a proportional amount of guano which benefits future harvests more than, say, a skinny-ass vegan fvck like 89Hen.


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Cap'n Cat wrote:we ought look into forced sterilization based on intelligence tests administered by the government. These inventories look at what a prepubescent teens potential capacity is for filling up the tax coffers and then judging from there.

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Cap'n Cat wrote:That may be, Clucky, but I, in turn, return to the Earth a proportional amount of guano which benefits future harvests more than, say, a skinny-ass vegan fvck like 89Hen.


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Cap'n Cat wrote:The answer for everything is quite simple. Population control. We're eating an burning ourselves out of a planet. You guys realize that we are a couple inches of topsoil and one worldwide drought away from catastrophe? Don't hand out dollars in Africa and Asia and South America - kill the Pope and hand out condoms.

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Nice deflection. So, you admit you're inferences were incorrect by basically saying, "Hey! Look over there! Is that a unicorn mounting a jackalope?"....nice try though.... :rofl: :roll: :coffee:
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
Appaholic wrote:
...and the big banking firms were bailed out by Bush & Paulson....but, by all means, continue your ill-informed & delusional rant.... :coffee:


Cap'n Cat, as always, is on top of this sh*t. Conks read and interpret as they please, despite facts.

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Much like Obama is on top of job creation.... :roll:
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Appaholic wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:The answer for everything is quite simple. Population control. We're eating an burning ourselves out of a planet. You guys realize that we are a couple inches of topsoil and one worldwide drought away from catastrophe? Don't hand out dollars in Africa and Asia and South America - kill the Pope and hand out condoms.

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Nice deflection. So, you admit you're inferences were incorrect by basically saying, "Hey! Look over there! Is that a unicorn mounting a jackalope?"....nice try though.... :rofl: :roll: :coffee:


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HI54UNI wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

Irresponsible bailouts???? :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:


Ford is in talks about paying back the guv NEXT YEAR.
GM thinks it will pay back the guv in THREE YEARS.
A couple big banking firms HAVE paid back the guv and others are in a position to do so soon.


Your Conk blinders and rote ConkHate are getting in the way seriously, Z.


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Ford didn't take any bailout money. :dunce: :dunce:
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