And if you really want me to go dig up PitchFX data I will. I didn't mean to come across as a jerk or anything, but it happens to every team. The Rays have had at least a dozen innings this season extended by bad umps, and those innings led to runs and to losses. I feel your pain but it's not something to point out in a Cy Young debate. Until the MLB gets a robot to call balls and strikes we'll always have this issue.
My perception is that pitches which the ump called strikes earlier in the game he called balls in the 6th.
It wasn't just me. John Flannery on the YES Network commented about what appeared to be a changed strike zone. He was a former MLB catcher and isn't generally a Yankee homer.
And if you really want me to go dig up PitchFX data I will. I didn't mean to come across as a jerk or anything, but it happens to every team. The Rays have had at least a dozen innings this season extended by bad umps, and those innings led to runs and to losses. I feel your pain but it's not something to point out in a Cy Young debate. Until the MLB gets a robot to call balls and strikes we'll always have this issue.
My perception is that pitches which the ump called strikes earlier in the game he called balls in the 6th.
It wasn't just me. John Flannery on the YES Network commented about what appeared to be a changed strike zone. He was a former MLB catcher and isn't generally a Yankee homer.
It happens quite a bit. Different pitchers will get different zones, and umps will close/open their zone as the game goes on. There was one game where I looked at the graph after the game and the bottom 1/3 of the zone towards the first base side had NO strikes called in it for EITHER team. It was a mess. There were about 20 strikes thrown that weren't called strikes, but a few up and towards 3rd base pitches that were rung up.
Like I said, I feel your pain. I think something needs to be done to fix it, but at this point, it's just a part of the game, the "human element" and the MLB brass love it.
Gil Dobie wrote:Can't forget about Rafael Soriano, reliever for Tampa. 43 saves & 1.82 era, or Joakim Soria KC, 41 saves & 1.58 era.
I expect they'll both pick up votes. MFIKY (his nickname in Tampa, short for "Mother F*****, I'll Kill You) has had a huge year this year and helped the Rays immensely. So has Joaquin Benoit. The back of our pen has been great, even without "bullpen ace" JP Howell who was shut down for the season.
JoltinJoe wrote:
My perception is that pitches which the ump called strikes earlier in the game he called balls in the 6th.
It wasn't just me. John Flannery on the YES Network commented about what appeared to be a changed strike zone. He was a former MLB catcher and isn't generally a Yankee homer.
It happens quite a bit. Different pitchers will get different zones, and umps will close/open their zone as the game goes on. There was one game where I looked at the graph after the game and the bottom 1/3 of the zone towards the first base side had NO strikes called in it for EITHER team. It was a mess. There were about 20 strikes thrown that weren't called strikes, but a few up and towards 3rd base pitches that were rung up.
Like I said, I feel your pain. I think something needs to be done to fix it, but at this point, it's just a part of the game, the "human element" and the MLB brass love it.
I understand that it happens. I even said based on yesterdays' results, I'd be more inclined to go with Price at this point. Whatever the reason, it was 5 2/3 for Sabathia last night, and six runs, in a game he had a lead and needed to win.
ToTheLeft wrote:
It happens quite a bit. Different pitchers will get different zones, and umps will close/open their zone as the game goes on. There was one game where I looked at the graph after the game and the bottom 1/3 of the zone towards the first base side had NO strikes called in it for EITHER team. It was a mess. There were about 20 strikes thrown that weren't called strikes, but a few up and towards 3rd base pitches that were rung up.
Like I said, I feel your pain. I think something needs to be done to fix it, but at this point, it's just a part of the game, the "human element" and the MLB brass love it.
I understand that it happens. I even said based on yesterdays' results, I'd be more inclined to go with Price at this point. Whatever the reason, it was 5 2/3 for Sabathia last night, and six runs, in a game he had a lead and needed to win.
I agree, and it sucks to see your guy's night implode on a bad call or two.
And Price appreciates a Yankee's endorsement, I'm sure.
Gil Dobie wrote:There's lies, damn lies and then statistics.
I'd go with Price. Steve Carlton won 27 games with a terrible team that won 59 games.
Hernandez is 3-0 vs Yankees, add him to the Yankees and he has 3 less wins.
Hernandez also only 2-7 against his own division, Sabathia 7-2 in his division albiet 5-1 vs Baltimore, Price is 8-2 in his division.
My old buddy Gil has once again done some channelling to me on this issue. The award goes to the BEST PITCHER not the pitcher who has done the most to help a team to a pennant. If the latter were the standard than Whitey Ford would have never lost the Cy Young award!!!!
Price would be my AL Choice. Halladay is my NL choice.
An he gave up over 4 runs a game against his own division mates, Angels & Rangers. That's where the pressure is, in your own division against your biggest rivals. But the ESPN bandwagon is pulling for Felix, so he will probably win because of his teams poor offense combined with his stats.
UNHWildCats wrote:
heres a run down of how the 5 have done against the AL East... Sabathia fared the worst and he didnt even have to face the Yankee offense.
An he gave up over 4 runs a game against his own division mates, Angels & Rangers. That's where the pressure is, in your own division against your biggest rivals. But the ESPN bandwagon is pulling for Felix, so he will probably win because of his teams poor offense combined with his stats.
Wait, what? Are you really suggesting that ESPN has a bias towards a freaking Seattle Mariner, over a Yankee and a Red Sox player?! LOL
The espn guys are picking Felix because he has earned it and deserves it.
Gil Dobie wrote:
An he gave up over 4 runs a game against his own division mates, Angels & Rangers. That's where the pressure is, in your own division against your biggest rivals. But the ESPN bandwagon is pulling for Felix, so he will probably win because of his teams poor offense combined with his stats.
Wait, what? Are you really suggesting that ESPN has a bias towards a freaking Seattle Mariner, over a Yankee and a Red Sox player?! LOL
The espn guys are picking Felix because he has earned it and deserves it.
There are several guys that deserve it, and Felix is one. And yes, ESPN is pushing for Felix because it was one of their daily controversies.
UNHWildCats wrote:
heres a run down of how the 5 have done against the AL East... Sabathia fared the worst and he didnt even have to face the Yankee offense.
An he gave up over 4 runs a game against his own division mates, Angels & Rangers. That's where the pressure is, in your own division against your biggest rivals. But the ESPN bandwagon is pulling for Felix, so he will probably win because of his teams poor offense combined with his stats.
Seattle was never in the pennant race, so I don't think you can use pressure as a barometer.
The real pressure was that he had no margin for error, 1 run might be enough to beat the Mariners. The Mariners have the worst AL offense in the DH era.
Gil Dobie wrote:
An he gave up over 4 runs a game against his own division mates, Angels & Rangers. That's where the pressure is, in your own division against your biggest rivals. But the ESPN bandwagon is pulling for Felix, so he will probably win because of his teams poor offense combined with his stats.
Seattle was never in the pennant race, so I don't think you can use pressure as a barometer.
The real pressure was that he had no margin for error, 1 run might be enough to beat the Mariners. The Mariners have the worst AL offense in the DH era.
I guess what I'm saying is I would like to have a pitcher that can do better than 3-6 and give up lower than 4 runs per game against my own division with the unbalanced schedule. He still has worthy stats over-all to win, just saying.
