What Does the Big Sky Do About ISU and UNC?

[Wildcat Ryan]

Go blow a lizard, desert dust breath. The only thing separating NAU and PSU from the Griz's greasy butthole, is money for recruiting, Alum that can learn to keep their "recruit locals" mouths shut, and a more intense S&C program. Both NAU and PSU (who, with a "fair" team beat EWU this year), can stuff it up the Griz's poop chute on any given day.
Oh, and BTW...PSU just hosted 18 recruits from TX right before Xmas break...some already have top 25 FCS offers in hand. Laugh it up AZGriz...dback and I will enjoy having you stand on a table at Gordon Biersch praising the Ljacks and Vikings.

What color is they sky in your world, T-Man? The day that BOTH NAU and PSU beat the Griz in the same season is the day I stand on a table at Gordon Biersch and DROP TROU!!!! In other words, NEVER!!

You might want to knock on some wood there pal.

[Stonewall D]

Force them to play VMI and Forham at least once, maybe twice, a year.

[lizrdgizrd]

Now we're gettin' somewhere. Ship out ISU and UNC, bring in Cal Poly and UC-Davis. Now THAT I'd like to see... A conference where the teams are

Montana
Cal Poly
Weber
EWU
Montana State
UC-Davis
NAU
PSU
Sac State

Jesus. In this scenario, I'm not sure NAU, PSU or Sac State wins a GAME except against each other!

Go blow a lizard, desert dust breath.

Usually, I'm not one to look a gift bj in the mouth, but I'll ask you to kindly leave me outta this.

[dbackjon]

Go blow a lizard, desert dust breath.

Usually, I'm not one to look a gift bj in the mouth, but I'll ask you to kindly leave me outta this.

and leave me out as well....

[AZGrizFan]

Force them to play VMI and Forham at least once, maybe twice, a year.

Yeah, there's nothing like having a GURANTEED win on your schedule, huh?

[BlackFalkin]

i gotta get in this dogfight. sorry t-man but...
pus oops i mean psu and nau will never beat montana in the same year.
EWU did that a couple years back.... yep WE did. bc i was on the squad.
psu or nau will never (within 10 years) win the big sky

[travelinman67]

i gotta get in this dogfight. sorry t-man but...
pus oops i mean psu and nau will never beat montana in the same year.
EWU did that a couple years back.... yep WE did. bc i was on the squad.
psu or nau will never (within 10 years) win the big sky

I'm shocked. Two things I woulda never expected from you BF. Using the word "never", and boasting about yourself.


Never say never. Ask Richmond...their "never" just vanished after 160 years. As recently as 2003, Idaho State was spanking Montana and Cal Poly, 2004 Portland beat Montana, NAU's come within a field goal a couple of times...so your "never" doesn't even hold water statistically. Yes, Montana's been a great program, but most teams evolve, as have PSU, NAU and Weber. To remain consistent, the Griz will have to begin looking more and more outside of MT during recruiting...which is a practice they will rigidly oppose. At the current rate, (IMHO) the state population is not growing fast enough to increase their talent pool at a rate that will allow them to remain competitive CONSISTENTLY (emphasis added...Grizzies...don't come on here belching defensive remarks about competitiveness...the Griz were Natl Champion game competitive this year...my remarks are strictly focused on maintaining a competitive program year after year. And before any Homer's start fawning over themselves...be honest...everyone saw the errors made in the C-game...errors that hadn't appeared all season, showed up last night. It's heart-breaking, but can be used to learn and improve.) Point is, programs change...just look at what Weber's accomplished this past season...and then tell me "never".

[AZGrizFan]

i gotta get in this dogfight. sorry t-man but...
pus oops i mean psu and nau will never beat montana in the same year.
EWU did that a couple years back.... yep WE did. bc i was on the squad.
psu or nau will never (within 10 years) win the big sky

I'm shocked. Two things I woulda never expected from you BF. Using the word "never", and boasting about yourself.


Never say never. Ask Richmond...their "never" just vanished after 160 years. As recently as 2003, Idaho State was spanking Montana and Cal Poly, 2004 Portland beat Montana, NAU's come within a field goal a couple of times...so your "never" doesn't even hold water statistically. Yes, Montana's been a great program, but most teams evolve, as have PSU, NAU and Weber. To remain consistent, the Griz will have to begin looking more and more outside of MT during recruiting...which is a practice they will rigidly oppose. At the current rate, (IMHO) the state population is not growing fast enough to increase their talent pool at a rate that will allow them to remain competitive CONSISTENTLY (emphasis added...Grizzies...don't come on here belching defensive remarks about competitiveness...the Griz were Natl Champion game competitive this year...my remarks are strictly focused on maintaining a competitive program year after year. And before any Homer's start fawning over themselves...be honest...everyone saw the errors made in the C-game...errors that hadn't appeared all season, showed up last night. It's heart-breaking, but can be used to learn and improve.) Point is, programs change...just look at what Weber's accomplished this past season...and then tell me "never".

T-Man....T-Man....the issue isn't whether or not Montana will lose a conference game or two. The issue is whether NAU AND PSU will ever beat Montana in the same season. And funny thing about recruiting mostly in-state---Montana's been doing that for 20+ years, and it seems to be working fairly well, doncha think? The best football players in Montana want to play for the Griz. The best football players in Utah want to play for BYU. Then Utah. Then Utah State. THEN Weber. The best football players in Arizona want to play for ASU. Then U of A. THEN NAU. In Oregon it's Oregon, then Oregon State, THEN PSU. THAT is and always will be the Griz advantage. Sure, from purely a numbers standpoint the Griz talent pool may not be as deep, but being the biggest show around it doesn't HAVE to be. And I'm not sure where this

As recently as 2003, Idaho State was spanking Montana

comes from. The ISU Bungles have exactly TWO victories over the Griz since their modest 3-game streak ended in 1984!!! That's 24 years, with only two victories! And NAU, they're 1-19 in their last 20 against the Griz. The Griz have exactly SEVEN conference losses this DECADE, and four of those are to MSU and EWU. So, the odds of BOTH of NAU and ISU beating the Griz in the SAME year has to be about the same as winning the Powerball. In other words, I won't say "never", but I like my chances of not having to stand on a table in Gordon Biersch and drop trou!

[travelinman67]

Diffence is, AZGriz...PSU, NAU and Weber don't have blinders on when it comes to location for recruiting. All three pull heavily from all western states, including Hawaii, Alaska and most importantly California. Hawaii and California have an abundance of talent and a shortage of D1 programs, so BSC schools that are willing to "go shopping" there will have an edge. Adding Texas into this mix only adds to the that advantage.
I understand the "homer" tendency...SMU operated for years under a guideline that no recruiting money would be spent outside a 300mi. radius...and it took it's toll. Alabama's another school with a rigid guideline...and even though they have great years...they also have been inconsistent over the past decade. Some areas are blessed with size/strength (Islanders), some with skills (HS preparation), some with accumen (again, preparation), but speed can't be taught...it's pure talent, and the percentage of guys who can run 4.4's and do 4.0 shuttles is small, yet, those guys are game-makers. Point I'm making is, this "homer" mentality is a deal breaker for a program looking to become consistent.

[AZGrizFan]

Diffence is, AZGriz...PSU, NAU and Weber don't have blinders on when it comes to location for recruiting. All three pull heavily from all western states, including Hawaii, Alaska and most importantly California. Hawaii and California have an abundance of talent and a shortage of D1 programs, so BSC schools that are willing to "go shopping" there will have an edge. Adding Texas into this mix only adds to the that advantage.
I understand the "homer" tendency...SMU operated for years under a guideline that no recruiting money would be spent outside a 300mi. radius...and it took it's toll. Alabama's another school with a rigid guideline...and even though they have great years...they also have been inconsistent over the past decade. Some areas are blessed with size/strength (Islanders), some with skills (HS preparation), some with accumen (again, preparation), but speed can't be taught...it's pure talent, and the percentage of guys who can run 4.4's and do 4.0 shuttles is small, yet, those guys are game-makers. Point I'm making is, this "homer" mentality is a deal breaker for a program looking to become consistent.

Fortunately, the Griz aren't "looking" to become consistent.

[Wildcat Ryan]

I'm shocked. Two things I woulda never expected from you BF. Using the word "never", and boasting about yourself.


Never say never. Ask Richmond...their "never" just vanished after 160 years. As recently as 2003, Idaho State was spanking Montana and Cal Poly, 2004 Portland beat Montana, NAU's come within a field goal a couple of times...so your "never" doesn't even hold water statistically. Yes, Montana's been a great program, but most teams evolve, as have PSU, NAU and Weber. To remain consistent, the Griz will have to begin looking more and more outside of MT during recruiting...which is a practice they will rigidly oppose. At the current rate, (IMHO) the state population is not growing fast enough to increase their talent pool at a rate that will allow them to remain competitive CONSISTENTLY (emphasis added...Grizzies...don't come on here belching defensive remarks about competitiveness...the Griz were Natl Champion game competitive this year...my remarks are strictly focused on maintaining a competitive program year after year. And before any Homer's start fawning over themselves...be honest...everyone saw the errors made in the C-game...errors that hadn't appeared all season, showed up last night. It's heart-breaking, but can be used to learn and improve.) Point is, programs change...just look at what Weber's accomplished this past season...and then tell me "never".

T-Man....T-Man....the issue isn't whether or not Montana will lose a conference game or two. The issue is whether NAU AND PSU will ever beat Montana in the same season. And funny thing about recruiting mostly in-state---Montana's been doing that for 20+ years, and it seems to be working fairly well, doncha think? The best football players in Montana want to play for the Griz. The best football players in Utah want to play for BYU. Then Utah. Then Utah State. THEN Weber. The best football players in Arizona want to play for ASU. Then U of A. THEN NAU. In Oregon it's Oregon, then Oregon State, THEN PSU. THAT is and always will be the Griz advantage. Sure, from purely a numbers standpoint the Griz talent pool may not be as deep, but being the biggest show around it doesn't HAVE to be. And I'm not sure where this

As recently as 2003, Idaho State was spanking Montana

comes from. The ISU Bungles have exactly TWO victories over the Griz since their modest 3-game streak ended in 1984!!! That's 24 years, with only two victories! And NAU, they're 1-19 in their last 20 against the Griz. The Griz have exactly SEVEN conference losses this DECADE, and four of those are to MSU and EWU. So, the odds of BOTH of NAU and ISU beating the Griz in the SAME year has to be about the same as winning the Powerball. In other words, I won't say "never", but I like my chances of not having to stand on a table in Gordon Biersch and drop trou!

Trust me, nobody wants to play at Utah State. Since 2004 Utah State has posted a 12-46 record.

[AZGrizFan]

The ISU Bungles have exactly TWO victories over the Griz since their modest 3-game streak ended in 1984!!! That's 24 years, with only two victories! And NAU, they're 1-19 in their last 20 against the Griz. The Griz have exactly SEVEN conference losses this DECADE, and four of those are to MSU and EWU. So, the odds of BOTH of NAU and ISU beating the Griz in the SAME year has to be about the same as winning the Powerball. In other words, I won't say "never", but I like my chances of not having to stand on a table in Gordon Biersch and drop trou!

Trust me, nobody wants to play at Utah State. Since 2004 Utah State has posted a 12-46 record.

Before this year, Weber wasn't exactly lightin' it up there, Ryan. Your genius coach had posted a 15-19 record since his arrival in 2005.

Not sure what Weber's roster looked like before McBride's arrival, but they've got 34 players from Utah on the current roster. Not bad. The Griz have 48 Montanans....of course Hauck inherited that tradition and didn't have to build it.

[BlackFalkin]

listen man like i said, the only teams with real 'NUTS' in this conference are;
montana
eastern
montana st

and thats it weber might be in the conversation if they can provide more than one good season in a row. looking at the past.... very unlikely.

[AZGrizFan]

listen man like i said, the only teams with real 'NUTS' in this conference are;
montana
eastern
montana st

and thats it weber might be in the conversation if they can provide more than one good season in a row. looking at the past.... very unlikely.

That's my fear. They've never been able to put more than one good year together.

[fbondabrain]

I would like to see something good happen in the Great West conference. Maybe ship ISU and NCU to the Great West. The Great West is weaker than the BSC but ISU and NCO could start to recruit Cali players and probably compete for a conference championship pretty soon. So maybe in 6 years Great West starts to be competitive with BSC. I think its an opportunity for UNC and ISU.
Cal Poly
Southern Utah
UC Davis
Idaho State
Northern Colorado
North Dakota
South Dakota

Or better yet replace ISU and NCU in the Big Sky with Southern Utah, that way Weber gets an in state in conference rivalry that would benefit both schools and the BSC, drop San Diego State to FCS (Actually possible) so than its

Cal Poly
San Diego State
UC Davis
Idaho State
Nothern Colorado
South Dakota
North Dakota

[SUUTbird]

I would like to see something good happen in the Great West conference. Maybe ship ISU and NCU to the Great West. The Great West is weaker than the BSC but ISU and NCO could start to recruit Cali players and probably compete for a conference championship pretty soon. So maybe in 6 years Great West starts to be competitive with BSC. I think its an opportunity for UNC and ISU.
Cal Poly
Southern Utah
UC Davis
Idaho State
Northern Colorado
North Dakota
South Dakota

Or better yet replace ISU and NCU in the Big Sky with Southern Utah, that way Weber gets an in state in conference rivalry that would benefit both schools and the BSC, drop San Diego State to FCS (Actually possible) so than its

Cal Poly
San Diego State
UC Davis
Idaho State
Nothern Colorado
South Dakota
North Dakota

A good idea but ISU will not leave the Big Sky especially since they are one of the founding schools. But i am definetly up for SUU moving into the Big Sky and having a Weber vs SUU rivalry game. We already play NAU quite a bit but now if only Weber's AD would want to play us! . Cal Poly probably wont leave the Great West either along with UC Davis as both are in the big west for every other sport and apparently like it there. Northern Colorado is getting better and i think they will be able to start winning games in the near future however i think that maybe the GWC was a better fit for them then the Big Sky. And SDSU well i dont think they will move down, they have enjoyed being in the FBS ranks for to long but i do say move them to the WAC and bring in Boise State in their place. And apparently Utah Valley is currently in the process of trying to get a football program started because they really want to add a team so who knows maybe in 2010 or 2011 there will be another team to fill the gap. I know SUU was considered by the Big Sky but instead they accepted Northern Colorado instead for some dumb reason . And also if the U of San Diego would just allow Scholarships they would be accepted and definetly add ease to their travel costs! This is what i would like to see in a few years for the GWC if SUU doesnt go to the Big Sky:

-Cal Poly
-UC Davis
-Southern Utah
-North Dakota
-South Dakota
-Utah Valley (when/if they add football)
-San Diego (when/if the add athletic scholarships)
**Coneference gets an Auto Bid**

[BlackFalkin]

Im telling you right now, San diego st will never leave div 1a, and if they did.. they arent gonna go to a conf that doesnt have years of history. the great west conference needs to do these things;

get rid of the dakotas
snatch up nor col
'recruit' u of san diego
'recruit' sac state
provoke humbolt to goto div1aa
beg utah valley state to create football
try to get utah state to drop down to 1aa (almost impossible)


they need to do something fast bc the conference is very unstable and the dakotas are 'miles' from cal poly and davis.