#5 Delaware @ #3 JMU Game Thread

[clenz]

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[mcveyrl]

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This is the only article I could find, but you gotta have a subscription, which I don't..

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Maybe 89 does.

[bluehenbillk]

89 is either directly quoting it, which I think he is, or basically giving you the gist of what Bryant was quoted as saying in the local Harrisonburg rag BEFORE the game, then he carried it out....

[DirtyDukes]

Man, I used to think of you UD guys as blue collar, salt of the earth tough guys. Now you just sound like Coastal Carolina fans.

[bandl]

Man, I used to think of you UD guys as blue collar, salt of the earth tough guys. Now you just sound like Coastal Carolina fans.

Wait, did the Duke Dog get his ass kicked AGAIN by a giant bird?!?!

[89Hen]

Man, I used to think of you UD guys as blue collar, salt of the earth tough guys.

Only when it comes to dishing it out.

[DirtyDukes]

Man, I used to think of you UD guys as blue collar, salt of the earth tough guys.

Only when it comes to dishing it out.

Ha, glad some of you guys realize that.

Honestly, it's a 50/50 call. I saw it live and directly in front of me and thought nothing of it.

I don't think we would have said anything if the same hit was put on Dudzik, but we do run the option a lot so we expect it.

Overall, great game by the Hens, you are definitely the dominant team in the league and deserving of the #1 spot. I think if we get our offense together and you guys get Devlin back it would be an insane historic matchup that (hopefully) takes place in Texas.

Wish I had seen some Hens fans before the game, we ended up tailgating and got rowdy, would have loved to shotgun a beer or two with you guys.

[89Hen]

I don't think we would have said anything if the same hit was put on Dudzik

I don't think we would have heard anything about it if he didn't suffer a concussion, but you are dead wrong. We would have heard a lot more about it if it were Dudzik because you don't even know your backup's name.

[DirtyDukes]

I don't think we would have said anything if the same hit was put on Dudzik

I don't think we would have heard anything about it if he didn't suffer a concussion, but you are dead wrong. We would have heard a lot more about it if it were Dudzik because you don't even know your backup's name.

Jace Edwards is awesome as **** and I can't wait til he plays.

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[GannonFan]

I don't think we would have heard anything about it if he didn't suffer a concussion, but you are dead wrong. We would have heard a lot more about it if it were Dudzik because you don't even know your backup's name.

Jace Edwards is awesome as **** and I can't wait til he plays.

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Of course, you guys said the same thing about Thorpe before throwing him under the bus last year, and you've said the same thing about Dudzik before complaining about him too. It's a common theme in sports, and even more so at JMU - the most popular player is the backup QB - once he becomes the starter, they like the guy behind him.

[GannonFan]

I don't think we would have said anything if the same hit was put on Dudzik

I don't think we would have heard anything about it if he didn't suffer a concussion, but you are dead wrong. We would have heard a lot more about it if it were Dudzik because you don't even know your backup's name.

Guess there's a running feud between Mickey and their local beat writer - apparently Mickey didn't like all the questions regarding the press clippings before the game and then the hit itself and the near fight at the end of the game. And if there was any doubt whether Keeler and Mickey get along, it should be settled in the negative now. Great stuff.

[89Hen]

6.5 more hours and the statute of limitations runs out on this thread. Of course, we need more than mainejeff to keep us entertained this week. Can we start trash talking with W&M fans yet? Sorry Cobblestone, no offense.

[BDKJMU]

5. Echoing that, it sucks that several JMU fans who crowed about how UD hasn't been tested yet came away from the game feeling "unimpressed" with Delaware. A team loses it's best offensive and defensive players (let's be honest, Walters wasn't the presence he typically is playing with the shoulder injury), finds a way to win with a RFr QB (who isn't a transfer, by the way...something else you can't argue about) in your stadium, and you're unimpressed?!? I know UD isn't VPI, but UD only turned the ball over 1 less time and still found a way to win in YOUR barn. I don't care who you are, that's impressive. Quit the sour grapes talk.
6. While we're at it, quit the "we beat ourselves" talk, too. Penalties are a part of the game of football. UD also had 4 of 'em, and if not for a holding penalty deep in JMU territory, might've had 1 less interception and 1 more offensive TD. That is a problem JMU needs to remedy yesterday, though. 300+ yards of yellow hankie in 4 games!?!? JFC!

Pretty good points 00blue.

Agree about losing Devlin. I was very impressed with UD. But if you want to point out your best defensive player was hampered by an injury, I can point out that JMU was missing:
-their 2nd best DL, DT Emmons (our West Point transfer).
-starting LB from 08'-09' Jamie Veney who just last week was confirmed would be taking a redshirt this season due to calcium deposits in his leg.
-2nd best OL (rSr returning starting OG Brandon Monroe, broken ankle summer camp)
-tailback/wingback Griff Yancey, probably the most valuable non starting JMU player.

I didn't point this out before because didn't want to sound like making excuses. You have to go with the horses you have available.

UD didn't have 4 penalties. They had 3 for 20 yards. JMU had 10 for 81. Not the officials fault. JMU's fault. And many of these penalties UD didn't cause JMU to do- like after JMU had UD stopped on 3rd down, but was flagged for offisdes, giving UD a 1st down that led to UD's 2nd FG. That is beating yourselves. Like an unforced error in baseball. Its been similar for JMU for all 4 games this season, but it hasn't been a characteristic of past JMU teams.

[BDKJMU]

Having said all that, UD deserved the win. They were really impressive. I really hope their defense is that good and our offense just ran into them. I think they're a better defense than Liberty, regardless of the stats. Against Liberty we had more opportunities we didn't capitalize on, UD just shut us down.

Agreed. As I've pointed out before, Liberty has a decent defense, but UD's is definitely better. Coming into the season I thought Nova would have if not the best defense, one of the top 2. I forgot to record the televised Nova/Penn game, so saw Nova on TV for the 1st time vs W&M. They didn't look nearly as good as I thought they would. From what I saw of UD @ UR and @ JMU, UD's defense looks better than Nova's. (Still have to see Nova more to pass final judgement on them, as I know they had a few guys injured and just looked flat).

To point out though UD didn't shut down JMU for the entire game. JMU had 214 yards the 1st half, 69 the 2nd half. UD shut down JMU for one half. UD offensively/defensively was just the opposite. It really was a tale of 2 halves. Last yr Mickey won the chessmatch of haltime adjustments. This year Keeler did, although I couldn't tell you what the adjustments were.

Ironic that the that the last 2 yrs a backup rFr QB has performed very well for the winning team. Maybe next yr Jace Edwards as a rFr (assuming Dudzik doesn't go down before Thorpe comes back) beats out Thorpe for the starting job. With talk out of camp of him being the most polished true freshman JMU QB than anyone can remember, its certainly a possibility.

[BDKJMU]

In Newark.

Yep. There will have to be some major faltering by UD at this point for that not to happen. I think UD would have to lose two and JMU win out...slim chance of both IMO.

But I will do my damndest to get to that game...

Or if JMU and UD were simply on the opposite sides of the bracket (whether or not one or both were seeded) they wouldn't be able to have a rematch unless they both made Frisco.

For a rematch before Frisco:
-BOTH would have to make the playoffs (HIGHLY likely),
-BOTH would have to be on the same side of the bracket (pretty good chance)
-BOTH would have to make it to either the qtrs or semis (pretty good chance)

There will be at least one CAA rematch in the playoffs (happens every year) but with 4, and slim chance 5, CAA teams in the playoffs, I put the odds of a JMU/UD rematch in Newark at best 1 in 4.

[BDKJMU]

IT DOES NOT MAKE ONE &*%$ING BIT OF DIFFERENCE WHAT JMU THOUGHT WAS HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!

The moment Devlin was picked up, spun and the pile driven into the turf it was not longer a good clean hard hit. It was an act to injure and mame. If Bryant can't man up to the facts and do a mea culpa some coach down the line will put a bullseye on his knees and take him out first. 15yds for a chop block is a small price to pay to protect a QB from a know headhunter protected my home field calls.

Quit hyperventilating behind your keyboard.

And if it comes to a retaliation game one of JMU's O-lineman can do the same in response to one of UD's de ends. Tit for tat.

[bluehenbillk]

To point out though UD didn't shut down JMU for the entire game. JMU had 214 yards the 1st half, 69 the 2nd half. UD shut down JMU for one half. UD offensively/defensively was just the opposite. It really was a tale of 2 halves. Last yr Mickey won the chessmatch of haltime adjustments. This year Keeler did, although I couldn't tell you what the adjustments were.

From listening to Keeler after the game he said they made 2 main adjustments at the half. Defensively, they went to the same package they use against Navy. Offensively, they took the handcuffs off Sasek, let him throw more.

[BDKJMU]

IT DOES NOT MAKE ONE &*%$ING BIT OF DIFFERENCE WHAT JMU THOUGHT WAS HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!

The moment Devlin was picked up, spun and the pile driven into the turf it was not longer a good clean hard hit. It was an act to injure and mame. If Bryant can't man up to the facts and do a mea culpa some coach down the line will put a bullseye on his knees and take him out first. 15yds for a chop block is a small price to pay to protect a QB from a know headhunter protected my home field calls.

The bolded part above speaks volumes, that & the fact that the idiot Bryant went public in print before the game saying it was his intent to knock Devlin outta the game, making it a much easier case for a prosector.

Regardless, thrilled UD won, glad we don't play JMU again, tons of talent on that team but no coaching, no discipline, they remind me of the old Miami Hurricane teams of the 80's, a bunch of renegades.

He NEVER said it was his intent to knock Devlin out of the game. Bryant isn't the idiot. The idiots are those from UD who keep claiming this.

This is his exact quote from the Daily News Record from before the game:
""Going into any game, it's important to intimidate the quarterback," senior defensive end D.J. Bryant said Friday after the Dukes' brief walk-through at Bridgeforth Stadium. "If we come out here and start hitting Devlin, not let him have time in the pocket, he'll just really be intimidated. He'll be rattled.""(BTW, he isn't a senior. He's a rJr.)
http://www.dnronline.com/details.php?AID=50959&CHID=3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you don't believe me, get a $2 month subscription and see for yourself.

He isn't quoted at all in the other main news outlet that covers JMU, WHSV. Go ahead, look for yourself.
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And anyone who thinks there is even a remote chance of a prosecutor getting involved is a a moron.

[Rob Iola]

Jace Edwards is awesome as **** and I can't wait til he plays.

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Of course, you guys said the same thing about Thorpe before throwing him under the bus last year, and you've said the same thing about Dudzik before complaining about him too. It's a common theme in sports, and even more so at JMU - the most popular player is the backup QB - once he becomes the starter, they like the guy behind him.

If I'm not mistaken I believe that Schoenhoft still has a year of eligibility left...


And even if I am mistaken, who's going to complain?

[BDKJMU]

DNR article I'll try not to paste the whole thing so as to not cause a problem. Title is "Keeler Steaming"

Starts off with Keeler still irked at 2 incidents 2 days later:

".....Keeler said he formally requested that the Colonial Athletic Association review the first-quarter play that resulted in Blue Hens quarterback Pat Devlin sustaining a concussion that knocked him out of the game.

"You look at the play, and it looks like the kid's being head-hunted," Keeler said Monday during the CAA coaches teleconference. "It's one thing to tackle him. It's another to throw his body down to the ground. We're going to file all the paperwork necessary to have that call looked at....."

"....Devlin - who transferred from Penn State before last season and is considered an NFL prospect - handed off to tailback Andrew Pierce on the second play of the game. JMU defensive end D.J. Bryant came unblocked around the left side of Delaware's offensive line, wrapped up Devlin and flung him to the ground.

After the game, Bryant said he thought Devlin still had the ball. No penalty was called.

On Monday, Keeler pointed to Bryant's comments in Saturday's Daily News-Record in which the 6-foot-3, 245-pound junior said the defense intended to hit Devlin often and target his broken left wrist.

"When you play the public intimidation game, when you have it out in the newspaper that the kid has a broken wrist and we're going to try hitting the wrist, when you come on the radio and it's announced right as soon as he goes down that the game plan, the goal, was to knock him out the first series of the game - and that's coming from their radio people - you really put yourself under scrutiny," Keeler said.

CAA commissioner Tom Yeager - who attended Saturday's game - did not return a phone call Monday, but league spokesman Scott Meyer confirmed that Delaware submitted video of Bryant's hit on Devlin on the Blue Hens' second offensive play Saturday. Meyer said Yeager and CAA director of officials Jim Maconagy are reviewing the incident.

"We're still evaluating everything in that regard," Meyer said Monday afternoon. "We're still going over the facts. If we deem it necessary to make a statement, we will."

JMU coach Mickey Matthews said he rewatched the play Sunday and Monday and doesn't think his player did anything wrong.

"D.J. is 6-6 and 250," Matthews said. "They didn't block him because it's a zone option. If you're going to run that scheme where you don't block the guy, you're going to take some hits."

In fact, Matthews said Bryant held back and could have hit Devlin even harder.

"Actually, he should have gone ahead and put a bigger hit on Devlin than he did," Matthews said. "He kind of turned to the side a little bit. It certainly wasn't any kind of helmet to helmet or any of that stuff."

Like Keeler, Matthews pointed to media coverage going into the game.

"Probably the thing that inflamed the thing was your article Saturday morning," Matthews said. "Probably I shouldn't have let D.J. talk to you Friday. The headline in the local paper's making it, we were going to try to hang their quarterback in effigy."

Friday, Bryant said, "If we come out here and start hitting Devlin, not let him have time in the pocket, he'll just really be intimidated. He'll be rattled."

He also said, "He has an injured wrist. So we hit him there, try to hit the wrist, try to get the ball out because he can't be that strong with the broken wrist. Any player as competitive as Devlin, if he has the opportunity, he's going to run."

None of that is out of the ordinary. Rattling opposing quarterbacks is standard fare for college football game-plans, though both Matthews and Keeler pointed to those comments in discussing the controversy.

Matthews said the Dukes hope to be similarly aggressive in Saturday night's game at Towson.

"We didn't try to put any more pressure on Devlin," Matthews said. "We're going to try to put a ton of pressure on the Towson quarterback this week and get a lot of big hits on him, as everyone does."

As for Keeler's complaint to the CAA office, Matthews said he didn't expect anything to come of it.

"Oh I don't know, they can file," Matthews said. "I looked at it yesterday. I looked at it this morning. There's nothing to file."....."

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[BDKJMU]

The other situation was the end of the game with the teams not shaking hands:

"....."Keeler was also unhappy with Matthews' decision to send the Dukes to the locker room after some jostling between players immediately after the game.

"I was disappointed that our kids didn't get a chance to shake hands," Keeler said. "I know when they beat us up here, we got a chance to shake their hands. And we should have got the chance to shake hands down there. I'm a firm believer, a very firm believer, that after a ballgame, win or lose, I make sure every single one of my players is off that bench going over to shake hands. Because you know what, if you're good enough to beat us, we need to shake your hands."

But Matthews said it was the prudent decision to avoid a potentially ugly situation.

"Their kids were very happy they'd won the game and our kids were really mad we lost the game. No one had 30 seconds to cool off," Matthews said. "I thought their coaches handled it correctly and I thought we should have left the field. It only takes one kid out of 100, and usually it's some third string guy who comes over there, on either side, who decides to do something. You just need to get the kids out of there, whether it's us or them.""

Richmond Times Dispatch article that you don't need a subscription to:
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JMU Breeze video. Note the 2:40 mark where when JMU's #23 Kerby Long was tackled on the kick return on the final play, the UD players came onto the field, surrounded him, got right in his face, and shoved him. What the video doesn't show is then other JMU players coming to Long's defense. It looked like a brawl was about to start. Thats why Mickey sent the team to the locker room without the customary handshake. UD players were wrong in that they
-came onto the field
-surrounded Long, got in his face, & shoved him
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[00bluehen]

Jesus F*#(ing Christ! DROP IT. It's over. League won't do anything about it. I'm good with Yeager's decision.

JMU plays Towson. Maybe they can figure out how to amass more than 69 yards of offense in 30 minutes and not get beat by an inexperienced QB. It IS Towson, after all.

Delaware plays Maine.

Everyone needs to knock off this incessant girly bitching. Devlin's fine.

After spending some time this afternoon reading the JMU board on CAAZone, I can honestly say I hope we play that team again this year. Laughable that one JMU fan on here thinks that game was "our Superbowl." Get over yourselves. You're still looking up at us...just not as much as you were in 2000. Congrats. Go tell that girl Longhorn to look up the meaning of the word "irrelevancy" [sic]

I do know that JMU'll get absolutely drilled by Delaware in the playoffs if that game's at Delaware Stadium, and I will be happy to be there to see it. End of story.

[State Line Liquors]

Agreed with 00bh. Keeler said his piece, he got no response. Nothing else can be done. It's over. If we play them again it'll probably be in Newark and another war, but sans that occurrence we've puffed more hot air than 6 Hindenbergs.

Onward and upward, change we can believe in, let's move on, et. al.

[00bluehen]

Onward and upward, change we can believe in, let's move on, et. al.

Eff Cosgrove! Eff Mainejeff!

[bandl]

Jesus F*#(ing Christ! DROP IT. It's over. League won't do anything about it. I'm good with Yeager's decision.

JMU plays Towson. Maybe they can figure out how to amass more than 69 yards of offense in 30 minutes and not get beat by an inexperienced QB. It IS Towson, after all.

Delaware plays Maine.

Everyone needs to knock off this incessant girly bitching. Devlin's fine.

After spending some time this afternoon reading the JMU board on CAAZone, I can honestly say I hope we play that team again this year. Laughable that one JMU fan on here thinks that game was "our Superbowl." Get over yourselves. You're still looking up at us...just not as much as you were in 2000. Congrats. Go tell that girl Longhorn to look up the meaning of the word "irrelevancy" [sic]

I do know that JMU'll get absolutely drilled by Delaware in the playoffs if that game's at Delaware Stadium, and I will be happy to be there to see it. End of story.

Holy shit, you thought I was serious???

I have nothing else to say....you are simply priceless.