Montana Athletic Director about FCS vs FBS

[JBB]

I was unaware the WAC and MWC dont play FCS games. Thats another reason to move up.

I think he is correct on almost all counts. Pick a little on the physical toll and maybe it helps, at least in part, understand why insurance costs continue to go up? Clearly he is correct about the money. Every single penny the program takes in is spent and the costs grow endlessly. Rules and regulations tied to federal dollars are manipulated to favor certain groups and the program loses control of its own destiny. The lure of new revenues, significant new revenues, might be too much to pass up even if it is a self-admitted gamble, as opposed to a risk.

Because costs cant stabilize revenues have to grow or programs have to shrink. I can easily see the day when the huge expense of football becomes such a burden the huge revenues become meaningless. At that time we may see a return to low scholarships and bus games.

[Keeper]

"I was unaware the WAC and MWC dont play FCS games."

Not true, nor will be with the need for bowl-eligible wins.

[Cap'n Cat]

"I was unaware the WAC and MWC dont play FCS games."

Not true, nor will be with the need for bowl-eligible wins.

Dig that avatar, Keeps.

[SeattleGriz]

--- We are NOT guaranteed home playoff games. We have been extremely fortunate in the past. To put in perspective, we made about $100,000 for the three home playoff games last year - and sent another $1.1 million to the NCAA.

--- The FCS playoff system is hurting financially. We produced $1.1 million of last year’s budget of $2.5 million. The other 11 games produced less than $1 million TOTAL. The NCAA lost almost $500,000 again, and it will not continue to tolerate to follow this plan.

Wow, now people get some sort of idea why the NCAA likes to have games in Missoula. The Griz contributed 1.1 million to last year's 2.5 million playoff budget.

[nwFL Griz]

"I was unaware the WAC and MWC dont play FCS games."

Not true, nor will be with the need for bowl-eligible wins.

Yean, except O'Day didn't say they don't play FCS games. He said they don't play FCS road games, which is true (prohibited by conference by-laws). He also said the conferences are recommending their members don't play FCS games.

[dbackjon]

"I was unaware the WAC and MWC dont play FCS games."

Not true, nor will be with the need for bowl-eligible wins.

Yean, except O'Day didn't say they don't play FCS games. He said they don't play FCS road games, which is true (prohibited by conference by-laws). He also said the conferences are recommending their members don't play FCS games.

Since SJSU just lost one, and almost lost TWO this year, no wonder Bendumb doesn't want his teams playing FCS schools.

[GrizFan5]

The email was initially written to one person, but then the athletic dept. send it to a large list, like 50 or more people. It's not like something private leaked out. Then, the athletic dept. sent an follow up email asking the large group to keep it confidential. By the then, the cat was out of the bag. He had also put a bunch of stuff on Facebook the prior night. Poorly written and contained inaccurate information the playoffs, FCS and the conference. Apparently, he and some of what he said are getting alot of criticism from the ncaa and various FCS conferences, as well as UM, and he had to do some apologizing.

[dbackjon]

So many embellishments and half-truths in this letter.

My favorite bit was where he talked about how the play-off system isn't "fair" to student-athletes because it puts the additional strain of playing 4-5 more games a year on them. Hmmmmm. I thought they were on the football team to play football. How laughable.

Especially when in FBS, you play 12 minimum, 13 the year you travel to Hawaii. 14 if there is a WAC championship game, 15 if there is a Bowl.

70 FBS teams will play at least 13 games this year. Roughly 10 will play 14 games.

Only 8-12 FCS teams will play 13 games this year. 4 will play 14, and only 2 will play 15. Looks like FBS is less friendly to student athletes. Another O'Day FAIL

[dbackjon]

The email was initially written to one person, but then the athletic dept. send it to a large list, like 50 or more people. It's not like something private leaked out. Then, the athletic dept. sent an follow up email asking the large group to keep it confidential. By the then, the cat was out of the bag. He had also put a bunch of stuff on Facebook the prior night. Poorly written and contained inaccurate information the playoffs, FCS and the conference. Apparently, he and some of what he said are getting alot of criticism from the ncaa and various FCS conferences, as well as UM, and he had to do some apologizing.

So either he, or someone/multiple people in the athletic department are just fucking dumb

[kemajic]

So many embellishments and half-truths in this letter.

My favorite bit was where he talked about how the play-off system isn't "fair" to student-athletes because it puts the additional strain of playing 4-5 more games a year on them. Hmmmmm. I thought they were on the football team to play football. How laughable.

How would you know anything about this? EWU has never played a 16 game season. Montana has more than once. In 2008, with no bye week, they played 16 weeks in succession, with two trips across the country in the last 6 days, which happened to be finals week. It was too much for 19 year old kids. O'Day has intimate experience with this issue. Former coach, Bobby Hauck, did not like the playoff system for the same reason. Now this year they made it worse.

[kemajic]

"I was unaware the WAC and MWC dont play FCS games."

Not true, nor will be with the need for bowl-eligible wins.

WAC or MWC teams are not allowed to play FCS games on the road. This has been the case for several years; a long rivalry between Montana and Idaho was killed because of this rule. O'Day is right in that both conferences are discouraging scheduling FCS home games. Most interpret this to mean one is OK, two is not.

[BigSkyBears]

So many embellishments and half-truths in this letter.

My favorite bit was where he talked about how the play-off system isn't "fair" to student-athletes because it puts the additional strain of playing 4-5 more games a year on them. Hmmmmm. I thought they were on the football team to play football. How laughable.

How would you know anything about this? EWU has never played a 16 game season. Montana has more than once. In 2008, with no bye week, they played 16 weeks in succession, with two trips across the country in the last 6 days, which happened to be finals week. It was too much for 19 year old kids. O'Day has intimate experience with this issue. Former coach, Bobby Hauck, did not like the playoff system for the same reason. Now this year they made it worse.

I bet if you ask any one of those 19 year old kids they would tell you they loved the playoffs. Playoffs are the true mark of a champion.

[djollieballs]

Awwww, all the little gnats are eating sour grapes at their pity party, how cute!

Big surprise that all the haters in this thread are fans of teams that bring absolutely NOTHING to the table in this two bit division. After reading that letter the gnats SHOULD be lining up to rim us. It looks like this two bit division will fold like a bad hand of poker when we bail. It's certainly curtains for FCS ball in the West without the Griz to hold it down with their prestige and dollars.

[kalm]

Awwww, all the little gnats are eating sour grapes at their pity party, how cute!

Big surprise that all the haters in this thread are fans of teams that bring absolutely NOTHING to the table in this two bit division. After reading that letter the gnats SHOULD be lining up to rim us. It looks like this two bit division will fold like a bad hand of poker when we bail. It's certainly curtains for FCS ball in the West without the Griz to hold it down with their prestige and dollars.

Dear Athletic Director O'd...ooops, I mean djollieballs,

Montana is a terrific program who's stadium, game day experience, and on-field success truly makes them one of the FCS elites. And their fans are some of the classiest people around, many of whom do not suffer from self-esteem problems.

[dbackjon]

So many embellishments and half-truths in this letter.

My favorite bit was where he talked about how the play-off system isn't "fair" to student-athletes because it puts the additional strain of playing 4-5 more games a year on them. Hmmmmm. I thought they were on the football team to play football. How laughable.

How would you know anything about this? EWU has never played a 16 game season. Montana has more than once. In 2008, with no bye week, they played 16 weeks in succession, with two trips across the country in the last 6 days, which happened to be finals week. It was too much for 19 year old kids. O'Day has intimate experience with this issue. Former coach, Bobby Hauck, did not like the playoff system for the same reason. Now this year they made it worse.

When did Montana play 15 games?

And If a team has ANY success at the FBS level, they are looking at 13 games minimum

[kemajic]

How would you know anything about this? EWU has never played a 16 game season. Montana has more than once. In 2008, with no bye week, they played 16 weeks in succession, with two trips across the country in the last 6 days, which happened to be finals week. It was too much for 19 year old kids. O'Day has intimate experience with this issue. Former coach, Bobby Hauck, did not like the playoff system for the same reason. Now this year they made it worse.

When did Montana play 15 games?

And If a team has ANY success at the FBS level, they are looking at 13 games minimum

Montana Records in NC game years:
2009 14-1
2008 14-2 (mentioned in previous post)
2004 12-3
2001 15-1
2000 13-2
1996 14-1
1995 13-2

[kalm]

When did Montana play 15 games?

And If a team has ANY success at the FBS level, they are looking at 13 games minimum

Montana Records in NC game years:
2009 14-1
2008 14-2 (mentioned in previous post)
2004 12-3
2001 15-1
2000 13-2
1996 14-1
1995 13-2

Regardless, it's still a lame, college presidents/BCS argument against playoffs.

[Appaholic]

Montana Records in NC game years:
2009 14-1
2008 14-2 (mentioned in previous post)
2004 12-3
2001 15-1
2000 13-2
1996 14-1
1995 13-2

Regardless, it's still a lame, college presidents/BCS argument against playoffs.

Agree. I have no doubt that of all the reasons listed by O'Day (& any other AD) in support of moving over to FBS, this would be the one reason given the least amount of concern or consideration. They feign outrage as they fly to their 9:30p kickoff time to accomodate TV revenues....

[dbackjon]

So O'Day is outraged that HE scheduled those 12th games in order to make more money. Fucking lamest thing yet

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

So O'Day is outraged that HE scheduled those 12th games in order to make more money. Fucking lamest thing yet

Not only that. He has had a major hand in building schedules that would give us a great opportunity to make post season play while making coin at home games.

[kalm]

[kemajic]

Montana Records in NC game years:
2009 14-1
2008 14-2 (mentioned in previous post)
2004 12-3
2001 15-1
2000 13-2
1996 14-1
1995 13-2

Regardless, it's still a lame, college presidents/BCS argument against playoffs.

That's your opinion and you've shown how well you've surrounded the facts.

[dbackjon]

Regardless, it's still a lame, college presidents/BCS argument against playoffs.

That's your opinion and you've shown how well you've surrounded the facts.

And you skip the FACTS that most FBS teams play far more games than FCS teams. If the College Presidents were so concerned, they would go back to the 11 game schedule, ditch conference championship games, and not go to Tidy Bowls.

[kalm]

Regardless, it's still a lame, college presidents/BCS argument against playoffs.

That's your opinion and you've shown how well you've surrounded the facts.

Of course it's my opinion just like it's your opinion whether or not it's a genuine concern for people like Oday and FBS apologists. In the non-NC years you have a couple of 12 game seasons where you lost on Thanksgiving weekend. No wonder you Montanans are so smart - making kids go to school over the holidays.