Silenoz wrote:
FBS fans say the same thing about FCS
If I'm a Big Sky AD, I'd have to be crazy to schedule CWU
Yes, they destroyed ISU...and beat MSU....and beat EWU....and almost beat EWU again... and took us to the last play. Let's see Weebs schedule them
WSU stopped scheduling DII's in 2008. Not that I love just one FCS OOC home game and 2 FBS road games each year. But I like it better than playing a non-DI.
Believe me, I'd much prefer to not schedule a DII. But CWU has some quality athletes and would hang with half the teams in the FCS. I'm guessing there's not a whole bunch of difference between the upper echelon DII's and many of the non-schollie FCS programs back east - except that they represent a DI win.
If you guys finish 7-4 while three other BSC teams finish with 8-3 or better records including a DII opponent on the schedule, we might consider giving you a badge, but you won't be in the playoffs.
My only point was looking back on our schedule CWU is a piece of our early season pie that makes me think our defense might not be so bad.
EWURanger wrote:Playing 2 FBS schools in the same year is pretty much a sure way to schedule your way out of the play-offs.
Not necessarily true. Sure, if you schedule a pair of B(C)$ schools, that would tend to happen. But if you schedule, say, a MAC and a Sun Belt, those would be winnable for an average-to-elite Sky/CAA team. Might not get much $$ out of it, but one would technically get "FBS credit" for the playoffs.
EWURanger wrote:...one FBS is enough.
In general, I agree with you there. But I'd prefer to balance it with a low-grade FCS or high D-II (not elite D-II, because that could be a trap game).
EWURanger wrote:I'm personally not a huge fan of scheduling DII's - would much rather see us playing quality FCS teams but that's becoming harder in the west.
I would also agree with this. However, there are at least two other considerations. One, a D-II would provide good balance on a schedule featuring an FBS. Two, applying the same logic to D-IIs that FBS applies to us sounds kinda-sorta hypocritical.
Scheduling a D2 when you don't have a winnable FBS is dumb as shit. At that point you put yourself in a 2 loss hole. Their is no need for balance as far as going up a level and down a level. You have a better chance at getting the extra win by scheduling any FCS that'll take ya.
THE REASON that most schedule the FBS is for the cash. If you aren't getting a few hundred thousand to do it then it isn't worth it. MAC teams generally don't pay that kind of loot so that doesn't make a lot of sense either. If you can find a shit FBS conference team willing to pay the freight then great but that's a tough sale.
I don't get the "balance" part of your thinking in any way, shape, or form.
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:Scheduling a D2 when you don't have a winnable FBS is dumb as ****. At that point you put yourself in a 2 loss hole. Their is no need for balance as far as going up a level and down a level. You have a better chance at getting the extra win by scheduling any FCS that'll take ya.
THE REASON that most schedule the FBS is for the cash. If you aren't getting a few hundred thousand to do it then it isn't worth it. MAC teams generally don't pay that kind of loot so that doesn't make a lot of sense either. If you can find a **** FBS conference team willing to pay the freight then great but that's a tough sale.
I don't get the "balance" part of your thinking in any way, shape, or form.
To me the only reasons there are to play an FBS school are 1.) The cash pay-out and, 2.) The national media exposure. Scheduling someone that you have a chance to beat or how it looks to the play-off selection committee has absolutely nothing to do with the equation at all. Teams from BCS conferences are really the only ones that can provide the big pay outs and media exposure. That's why I'm not all that interested in seeing us play anyone from the WAC, Sun Belt, etc.
That said, having Washington, Washington State, and Oregon State on our schedule over the next several years makes sense in so many ways. In the case of UW and OSU, they'll provide pretty reasonable pay-outs. And as long as we don't get absolutely smashed in those games, it could be a positive in regards to recruiting in the area.
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:Scheduling a D2 when you don't have a winnable FBS is dumb as ****. At that point you put yourself in a 2 loss hole. Their is no need for balance as far as going up a level and down a level. You have a better chance at getting the extra win by scheduling any FCS that'll take ya.
THE REASON that most schedule the FBS is for the cash. If you aren't getting a few hundred thousand to do it then it isn't worth it. MAC teams generally don't pay that kind of loot so that doesn't make a lot of sense either. If you can find a **** FBS conference team willing to pay the freight then great but that's a tough sale.
I don't get the "balance" part of your thinking in any way, shape, or form.
To me the only reasons there are to play an FBS school are 1.) The cash pay-out and, 2.) The national media exposure. To me, scheduling someone that you have a chance to beat or how it looks to the play-off selection committee has absolutely nothing to do with the equation at all. Teams from BCS conferences are really the only ones that can provide the big pay outs and media exposure. That's why I'm not all that interested in seeing us play anyone from the WAC, Sun Belt, etc.
That said, having Washington, Washington State, and Oregon State on our schedule over the next several years makes sense in so many ways. In the case of UW and OSU, they'll provide pretty reasonable pay-outs. And as long as we don't get absolutely smashed in those games, it could be a positive in regards to recruiting in the area.
How long has it been since another DI school from the state of Washington has been nationally ranked?
EWURanger wrote:
To me the only reasons there are to play an FBS school are 1.) The cash pay-out and, 2.) The national media exposure. To me, scheduling someone that you have a chance to beat or how it looks to the play-off selection committee has absolutely nothing to do with the equation at all. Teams from BCS conferences are really the only ones that can provide the big pay outs and media exposure. That's why I'm not all that interested in seeing us play anyone from the WAC, Sun Belt, etc.
That said, having Washington, Washington State, and Oregon State on our schedule over the next several years makes sense in so many ways. In the case of UW and OSU, they'll provide pretty reasonable pay-outs. And as long as we don't get absolutely smashed in those games, it could be a positive in regards to recruiting in the area.
How long has it been since another DI school from the state of Washington has been nationally ranked?
UW was ranked for a week last year after they beat USC.
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:Scheduling a D2 when you don't have a winnable FBS is dumb as ****. At that point you put yourself in a 2 loss hole. Their is no need for balance as far as going up a level and down a level. You have a better chance at getting the extra win by scheduling any FCS that'll take ya.
THE REASON that most schedule the FBS is for the cash. If you aren't getting a few hundred thousand to do it then it isn't worth it. MAC teams generally don't pay that kind of loot so that doesn't make a lot of sense either. If you can find a **** FBS conference team willing to pay the freight then great but that's a tough sale.
I don't get the "balance" part of your thinking in any way, shape, or form.
To me the only reasons there are to play an FBS school are 1.) The cash pay-out and, 2.) The national media exposure. Scheduling someone that you have a chance to beat or how it looks to the play-off selection committee has absolutely nothing to do with the equation at all. Teams from BCS conferences are really the only ones that can provide the big pay outs and media exposure. That's why I'm not all that interested in seeing us play anyone from the WAC, Sun Belt, etc.
That said, having Washington, Washington State, and Oregon State on our schedule over the next several years makes sense in so many ways. In the case of UW and OSU, they'll provide pretty reasonable pay-outs. And as long as we don't get absolutely smashed in those games, it could be a positive in regards to recruiting in the area.
You've got a handle on it. I'm gonna keep trying to get SH to think straight though.
