Political Prophecy?

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Perhaps you are allowing your like/dislike of the person to cloud your judgement of the individual's effectiveness, GF. This is highly unusual for you.

McCain may be less likable than Obama for many, and wishy washy on some social issues, but he has been a consistent fiscal conservative.

Fortunately, more and more voters are able to separate their fondness for Obama from their outrage at his failed policies and distate for his incompetent exective style.

I certainly think he's been a consistent fiscal conservative, but I don't think he would've been able to stand up to a Democratic super majority that wasn't fiscally conservative. In that case, I think McCain's tendency to accomodate would've seen him going along with the crowd on many of the same things Obama did.

I have no problem with McCain as a person or a Senator. I just don't think, and still don't think, he'd make a good executive. I think he'd actually be a pretty poor one, and the way he conducted his campaign didn't make me think otherwise.

I am still waiting, 2 years after Obama has taken office, for anyone to tell me how he is/was qualified for the job. McCain had qualifications and military experience, don't have to like him, he was/is qualified. I would have loved to of seen Colin Powell run on the republican ticket against Obama, that would have made it intersting. Powell would get my vote without a second thought of if he was qualified or not because no one could say he wasn't qualified. He is just too damn smart to run and didn't want to deal with the level of BS that goes along with running

[GannonFan]

I certainly think he's been a consistent fiscal conservative, but I don't think he would've been able to stand up to a Democratic super majority that wasn't fiscally conservative. In that case, I think McCain's tendency to accomodate would've seen him going along with the crowd on many of the same things Obama did.

I have no problem with McCain as a person or a Senator. I just don't think, and still don't think, he'd make a good executive. I think he'd actually be a pretty poor one, and the way he conducted his campaign didn't make me think otherwise.

I disagree (at least on the "accomodation" part). I think a Republican president (and certainly one of McCain's stature) would have allowed some of the more blue-dog Donks to break ranks when it was blatantly obvious that money pits like the Healthcare bill wasn't even remotely popular. All McCain would have needed was 1 or 2 to break ranks and suddenly the bill isn't veto-proof. I think he could have rather easily gotten off without passing either the healthcare bill OR the bloated stimulus package.

Eh, the blue-dog Dems ended up sheepishly following their own party leadership - I'm not sure a Republican in the White House would've changed things. And seeing McCain's ineffective responses to the worsening economic conditions during the dawning of the recession during the campaign didn't and still now give me any reassurance that he would've been resolute in holding down spending. I think it's true that we wouldn't have made the collossal mistake of spending a year on a health care bill that didn't fix the health care problems in this country, but I didn't get any confidence that he would've had any ideas of his own on how to fix the mess.

[GannonFan]

I certainly think he's been a consistent fiscal conservative, but I don't think he would've been able to stand up to a Democratic super majority that wasn't fiscally conservative. In that case, I think McCain's tendency to accomodate would've seen him going along with the crowd on many of the same things Obama did.

I have no problem with McCain as a person or a Senator. I just don't think, and still don't think, he'd make a good executive. I think he'd actually be a pretty poor one, and the way he conducted his campaign didn't make me think otherwise.

I am still waiting, 2 years after Obama has taken office, for anyone to tell me how he is/was qualified for the job. McCain had qualifications and military experience, don't have to like him, he was/is qualified. I would have loved to of seen Colin Powell run on the republican ticket against Obama, that would have made it intersting. Powell would get my vote without a second thought of if he was qualified or not because no one could say he wasn't qualified. He is just too damn smart to run and didn't want to deal with the level of BS that goes along with running

Powell wasn't even that good of a Secretary of State. Being military doesn't automatically qualify you for any office in the land. There have been plenty a bad President who had military experience. Heck, that whacko Wesley Clark was ex-military - are you suggesting he'd be a great President?

[AZGrizFan]

I disagree (at least on the "accomodation" part). I think a Republican president (and certainly one of McCain's stature) would have allowed some of the more blue-dog Donks to break ranks when it was blatantly obvious that money pits like the Healthcare bill wasn't even remotely popular. All McCain would have needed was 1 or 2 to break ranks and suddenly the bill isn't veto-proof. I think he could have rather easily gotten off without passing either the healthcare bill OR the bloated stimulus package.

Eh, the blue-dog Dems ended up sheepishly following their own party leadership - I'm not sure a Republican in the White House would've changed things. And seeing McCain's ineffective responses to the worsening economic conditions during the dawning of the recession during the campaign didn't and still now give me any reassurance that he would've been resolute in holding down spending. I think it's true that we wouldn't have made the collossal mistake of spending a year on a health care bill that didn't fix the health care problems in this country, but I didn't get any confidence that he would've had any ideas of his own on how to fix the mess.

Well, when the "ideas of how to fix the mess" amount to just spending until we drop dead, I find it difficult to imagine looking back (with what we know now) and STILL saying you'd vote for Obama. What ideas has he had that have even REMOTELY worked?

[UNHWildCats]

I certainly think he's been a consistent fiscal conservative, but I don't think he would've been able to stand up to a Democratic super majority that wasn't fiscally conservative. In that case, I think McCain's tendency to accomodate would've seen him going along with the crowd on many of the same things Obama did.

I have no problem with McCain as a person or a Senator. I just don't think, and still don't think, he'd make a good executive. I think he'd actually be a pretty poor one, and the way he conducted his campaign didn't make me think otherwise.

I am still waiting, 2 years after Obama has taken office, for anyone to tell me how he is/was qualified for the job. McCain had qualifications and military experience, don't have to like him, he was/is qualified. I would have loved to of seen Colin Powell run on the republican ticket against Obama, that would have made it intersting. Powell would get my vote without a second thought of if he was qualified or not because no one could say he wasn't qualified. He is just too damn smart to run and didn't want to deal with the level of BS that goes along with running

35 years old? Check
Natural born us citizen? Check
Resident of US for the past 14 years? Check


Those be the only qualifications one needs to be President. He was and is qualified to be President. Yes Yes I know thats not what you meant.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

35 years old? Check
Natural born us citizen? Check
Resident of US for the past 14 years? Check


Those be the only qualifications one needs to be President. He was and is qualified to be President. Yes Yes I know thats not what you meant.

LOL

[SuperHornet]

Hey SH is your dream presidential race Hillary vs Sarah?

Actually, that would be my worst nightmare.

Hillary would have that idiotic NOW organization behind her, and that would be that. Not even the NRA (which would support Sarah in a heartbeat, though I don't care for them) can stand up to NOW.

[CitadelGrad]

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35 years old? Check
Natural born us citizen? Maybe, maybe not.
Resident of US for the past 14 years? Check

There. Fixed.

[kalm]

I found exerpts of this speech delivered before the 2008 Election. It's pretty right on with what's actually happened.

"...when the cloud of rhetoric has passed...when the roar of the crowd fades away...when the stadium lights go out and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot--what exactly is [Obama's] plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?

"The answer is to make government bigger...take more of your money...give you more orders from Washington...and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world. America needs more energy...[Obama] is against producing it.

"And let me be specific, the Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes...raise payroll taxes...raise investment income taxes...raise the death tax...raise business taxes...and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

And this is EXACTLY what has happened.

I'm not an Obama fan for a number of reasons I've already stated and I hate to rain on the conk revisionist short term history but:

1) The stimulus package cut taxes for 95% of Americans including a $2500 tax credit on college tuition.

2) Unlike Reagan, he hasn't raised raised payroll taxes - he's actually shown interest in a payroll tax holiday.

3) He's actually cut taxes and/or offered tax breaks to small businesses.

4) Obama temporarily opened more areas to offshore drilling before BP fucked it up.

5) And to use a Bush apology ,has so far, kept us safe from terrorist attack.

Sarah Palin and most of you - still listening to Fox and the WSJ, and still wrong.

[native]

I found exerpts of this speech delivered before the 2008 Election. It's pretty right on with what's actually happened.

"...when the cloud of rhetoric has passed...when the roar of the crowd fades away...when the stadium lights go out and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot--what exactly is [Obama's] plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?

"The answer is to make government bigger...take more of your money...give you more orders from Washington...and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world. America needs more energy...[Obama] is against producing it.

"And let me be specific, the Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes...raise payroll taxes...raise investment income taxes...raise the death tax...raise business taxes...and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

And this is EXACTLY what has happened.

I'm not an Obama fan for a number of reasons I've already stated and I hate to rain on the conk revisionist short term history but:

1) The stimulus package cut taxes for 95% of Americans including a $2500 tax credit on college tuition.
2) Unlike Reagan, he hasn't raised raised payroll taxes - he's actually shown interest in a payroll tax holiday.
3) He's actually cut taxes and/or offered tax breaks to small businesses.
4) Obama temporarily opened more areas to offshore drilling before BP **** it up.
5) And to use a Bush apology ,has so far, kept us safe from terrorist attack.

Sarah Palin and most of you - still listening to Fox and the WSJ, and still wrong.

1. Obama's "stimulus" package has provided neither economic stimulus nor reduced unemployment. Like FDR, his policies have made a bad situation worse.

2. Obama's proposed payroll tax holiday would only plunge social security and medicare deeper into insolvency. Unlike Obama, Reagan initiated policies which snapped us out of recession dealt with real emergencies like the cold war - not politically-created emergencies like saving union jobs, healthcare, capa and tax, et al...

3. Obama has offered tiny and relatively meaningless targeted tax breaks to buy off votes while promoting widespread business killing policies and programs - just like FDR.

4. So Obama was for offshore before he was against it?!?? His administration's original report justifying the closing of the gulf leases was a lie propagated by Ken Salazar. His eventual policy - a typical Obama overreach - simply killed more jobs and businesses while rewarding his puppetmaster George Soros with huge unearned profits from Brazilian oil speculation based on inside information.

5. Obama's "anti-natural-disaster" policies have not improved our foreign policy situation or safety from Islamic terrorism. It was dumb luck, not Obama's leasdership, that caused the Christmas Bomber to fail. Obama has fought against securing the border, done nothing to discourage Iran from obtaining nukes, and his pro-Islamic climate of political correctness encouraged the Fort Hood massacre.

[SuperHornet]

Who's listening to Fox News? Have you already forgotten that I'm among the unfortunate few who can't afford cable?

Obama's done just about NOTHING for me, bithering drivel aside.

[kalm]

Who's listening to Fox News? Have you already forgotten that I'm among the unfortunate few who can't afford cable?

Obama's done just about NOTHING for me, bithering drivel aside.

Obama's not supposed to do anything for you. You're supposed to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.

You're a terrible conservative.

[kalm]

I'm not an Obama fan for a number of reasons I've already stated and I hate to rain on the conk revisionist short term history but:

1) The stimulus package cut taxes for 95% of Americans including a $2500 tax credit on college tuition.
2) Unlike Reagan, he hasn't raised raised payroll taxes - he's actually shown interest in a payroll tax holiday.
3) He's actually cut taxes and/or offered tax breaks to small businesses.
4) Obama temporarily opened more areas to offshore drilling before BP **** it up.
5) And to use a Bush apology ,has so far, kept us safe from terrorist attack.

Sarah Palin and most of you - still listening to Fox and the WSJ, and still wrong.

1. Obama's "stimulus" package has provided neither economic stimulus nor reduced unemployment. Like FDR, his policies have made a bad situation worse.

2. Obama's proposed payroll tax holiday would only plunge social security and medicare deeper into insolvency. Unlike Obama, Reagan initiated policies which snapped us out of recession dealt with real emergencies like the cold war - not politically-created emergencies like saving union jobs, healthcare, capa and tax, et al...

3. Obama has offered tiny and relatively meaningless targeted tax breaks to buy off votes while promoting widespread business killing policies and programs - just like FDR.

4. So Obama was for offshore before he was against it?!?? His administration's original report justifying the closing of the gulf leases was a lie propagated by Ken Salazar. His eventual policy - a typical Obama overreach - simply killed more jobs and businesses while rewarding his puppetmaster George Soros with huge unearned profits from Brazilian oil speculation based on inside information.

5. Obama's "anti-natural-disaster" policies have not improved our foreign policy situation or safety from Islamic terrorism. It was dumb luck, not Obama's leasdership, that caused the Christmas Bomber to fail. Obama has fought against securing the border, done nothing to discourage Iran from obtaining nukes, and his pro-Islamic climate of political correctness encouraged the Fort Hood massacre.

Thanks Nate. The conk circle jerk of opinions about what Obama has done being paraded as facts was getting a little ridiculous. Way to get us back to the theoretical.

[native]

1. Obama's "stimulus" package has provided neither economic stimulus nor reduced unemployment. Like FDR, his policies have made a bad situation worse.

2. Obama's proposed payroll tax holiday would only plunge social security and medicare deeper into insolvency. Unlike Obama, Reagan initiated policies which snapped us out of recession dealt with real emergencies like the cold war - not politically-created emergencies like saving union jobs, healthcare, capa and tax, et al...

3. Obama has offered tiny and relatively meaningless targeted tax breaks to buy off votes while promoting widespread business killing policies and programs - just like FDR.

4. So Obama was for offshore before he was against it?!?? His administration's original report justifying the closing of the gulf leases was a lie propagated by Ken Salazar. His eventual policy - a typical Obama overreach - simply killed more jobs and businesses while rewarding his puppetmaster George Soros with huge unearned profits from Brazilian oil speculation based on inside information.

5. Obama's "anti-natural-disaster" policies have not improved our foreign policy situation or safety from Islamic terrorism. It was dumb luck, not Obama's leasdership, that caused the Christmas Bomber to fail. Obama has fought against securing the border, done nothing to discourage Iran from obtaining nukes, and his pro-Islamic climate of political correctness encouraged the Fort Hood massacre.

Thanks Nate. The conk circle jerk of opinions about what Obama has done being paraded as facts was getting a little ridiculous. Way to get us back to the theoretical.

Non-economically-stimulating porkulus is not opinion, kalm, it is fact. (See examples below.)
Unsustainable Social Security and Medicare is not opinion, kalm, it is fact.
Persistent unemployment is not opinion, kalm, it is fact.
(14.8 million/9.6% http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
Ken Salazar's official lie is not opinion, kalm, it is fact. (See below.)
Thirteen dead and thirty wounded at Fort Hood is not opinion, kalm, it is fact.

Ken Salazar's lie:

"...On June 10, Salazar had been forced to apologize for falsely implying that experts who peer-reviewed a Safety Report on the Deepwater Horizon rig’s explosion had endorsed his recommendation of a six-month deep-water drilling moratorium. In fact, the experts had never seen the recommendation, which was added after their involvement came to an end..."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini ... z12IREFdHV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sample line items from Obama's porkulus:
"...
$150 million for the Smithsonian
$34 million to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters
$500 million for improvement projects for National Institutes of Health facilities
$44 million for repairs to Department of Agriculture headquarters
$350 million for Agriculture Department computers
$88 million to help move the Public Health Service into a new building
$448 million for constructing a new Homeland Security Department headquarters
$600 million to convert the federal auto fleet to hybrids
$450 million for NASA (carve-out for “climate-research missions”)
$600 million for NOAA (carve-out for “climate modeling”)
$1 billion for the Census Bureau..."

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... n-spruiell" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[MSUDuo]

I guess UNH is running away to Canada when Sarah's elected to the White House in 2012.

I will run to Canada if Palin is elected as our President and I identify with Republicans.

[kalm]

Thanks Nate. The conk circle jerk of opinions about what Obama has done being paraded as facts was getting a little ridiculous. Way to get us back to the theoretical.

Non-economically-stimulating porkulus is not opinion, kalm, it is fact. (See examples below.)
Unsustainable Social Security and Medicare is not opinion, kalm, it is fact.
Persistent unemployment is not opinion, kalm, it is fact.
(14.8 million/9.6% http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
Ken Salazar's official lie is not opinion, kalm, it is fact. (See below.)
Thirteen dead and thirty wounded at Fort Hood is not opinion, kalm, it is fact.

Ken Salazar's lie:

"...On June 10, Salazar had been forced to apologize for falsely implying that experts who peer-reviewed a Safety Report on the Deepwater Horizon rig’s explosion had endorsed his recommendation of a six-month deep-water drilling moratorium. In fact, the experts had never seen the recommendation, which was added after their involvement came to an end..."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini ... z12IREFdHV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sample line items from Obama's porkulus:
"...
$150 million for the Smithsonian
$34 million to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters
$500 million for improvement projects for National Institutes of Health facilities
$44 million for repairs to Department of Agriculture headquarters
$350 million for Agriculture Department computers
$88 million to help move the Public Health Service into a new building
$448 million for constructing a new Homeland Security Department headquarters
$600 million to convert the federal auto fleet to hybrids
$450 million for NASA (carve-out for “climate-research missions”)
$600 million for NOAA (carve-out for “climate modeling”)
$1 billion for the Census Bureau..."

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... n-spruiell" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And an extra

My points clearly refuted the claims in SH's original post. (That's a period at the end of the sentence.)

Now, go back to the National Washington Reviewing Examiner and come up with some more talking poin...er opinions.

[native]

...

And an extra

My points clearly refuted the claims in SH's original post. (That's a period at the end of the sentence.)

Now, go back to the National Washington Reviewing Examiner and come up with some more talking poin...er opinions.

You and Obama are delusional, kalm.

[kalm]

...

And an extra

My points clearly refuted the claims in SH's original post. (That's a period at the end of the sentence.)

Now, go back to the National Washington Reviewing Examiner and come up with some more talking poin...er opinions.

You and Obama are delusional, kalm.

To steal from Screamin':

Apology accepted.

[SuperHornet]

One man's pork is another man's requirement, I guess.

Census operations are mandated by the Constitution. Of course, funding levels are not. However, as our population increases, more people and greater technology (which doesn't always work) are required to complete the work in the limited amount of time granted. Therefore, $1B for that isn't surprising. That's not Obama pork in my book.

The rest of that list MAY be, though if computer updates are deferred, that tends to cause cursing among those whose business with those governmental agencies are delayed by aging equipment and software. Much of it could have been deferred, though.

[native]

One man's pork is another man's requirement, I guess.

Census operations are mandated by the Constitution. Of course, funding levels are not. However, as our population increases, more people and greater technology (which doesn't always work) are required to complete the work in the limited amount of time granted. Therefore, $1B for that isn't surprising. That's not Obama pork in my book.

The rest of that list MAY be, though if computer updates are deferred, that tends to cause cursing among those whose business with those governmental agencies are delayed by aging equipment and software. Much of it could have been deferred, though.

Of course I do not quibble with the Constitutional requirement of a census. And several of the items on the list may have been reasonable requirements.

However, none of these items belonged in a "stimulus" bill. They belonged in the budget, which was already increased over past years.

[SuperHornet]

I'll grant you that, native. Makes sense.