Homeland Islamofascist Massacre Described

[clenz]

That's about as stern as it's gonna get.

I don't know what to think of Cap and his brother. Although they claim the intellectual and moral high ground, their words and actions don't match their professions of superiority. They are only rarely funny. They are even more rarely intellectual. They assume but do not demonstrate a mastery of facts. Their confident conclusions assume but to not articulate sound analyses of difficult issues. They are not particularly intellectually provocative, but they persistently strive to be viscerally provocative. They are not afraid to constantly make absolute fools of themselves. The end result is that they are almost exclusively rude bullies, but I don't really think that is what they want. Go figure.

Obviously one of their goals is simply to baffle and frustrate you
Which they have mastered
The other is to entertain themselves
Which they have mastered

That's about all there is to it... it's not that complicated

This.

Native, were you around to see the pages and pages and pages that D and I would go back and forth at at each other? I was so against D I refused to answer a call from Cap at one point because I knew he was with D. Long story short, I've met both and look forward to the next time I get to see both and genuinely enjoy the time I have with both.

What they do online is all shtick...and well played shtick at that. Cap is the biggest teddy bear you could ever imagine. Between him and his brother I can't count the number of beers/drinks/amount of food they have paid for without asking. I can't even begin to describe the politeness of both...okay well more so D, Cap is still a little crude ...


Oh, and Cap won't like me telling this, but oh well. He doesn't believe most of the shit he posts, he has admitted as much. He may not remember it, because I don't think he was completely sober, but he did.



The sooner you let their shit slide and learn to play along, while still getting your point across, the better off you'll be.

[Cap'n Cat]

What he said. Well, some of it.

[native]

Obviously one of their goals is simply to baffle and frustrate you
Which they have mastered
The other is to entertain themselves
Which they have mastered

That's about all there is to it... it's not that complicated

This.

Native, were you around to see the pages and pages and pages that D and I would go back and forth at at each other? I was so against D I refused to answer a call from Cap at one point because I knew he was with D. Long story short, I've met both and look forward to the next time I get to see both and genuinely enjoy the time I have with both.

What they do online is all shtick...and well played shtick at that. Cap is the biggest teddy bear you could ever imagine. Between him and his brother I can't count the number of beers/drinks/amount of food they have paid for without asking. I can't even begin to describe the politeness of both...okay well more so D, Cap is still a little crude ...

Oh, and Cap won't like me telling this, but oh well. He doesn't believe most of the **** he posts, he has admitted as much. He may not remember it, because I don't think he was completely sober, but he did.

The sooner you let their **** slide and learn to play along, while still getting your point across, the better off you'll be.

Schtick. Understood.

"Well played?" Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!

All sorts of clever bloggers who routinely disagree with me play their posts well. Not Cap or D. More than half of those clever fence sitters with well considered points of view disappear from the poli boards when the dismal brothers appear.

Your point about letting their sh!t slide is well taken. I normally let all the sh!t about me, conk bloggers and politicians slide without a low-life personal response in kind.

However, I did not and will not let stand Cap's personal attack on Staff Sgt. Patrick Zeigler, who is handicapped not because of two combat tours in Iraq, but because of a domestic Islamic terrorist's attack.

Cap crossed the line and Cap owes an apology. No excuses. No obfuscation. No bullsh!t.

[native]

I am waiting, Cap. Be the big man that your friends think you are and apologze for disparaging the G.I. wounded at Fort Hood. Then I will buy the next beer.

Hell, you don't even have to apologize. Just slink back to your original post and quietly delete the personal reference to the G.I. I will still buy the beer.

[Bronco]

I wonder who ordered this? ?




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Soldier says ordered to delete Fort Hood videos
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October 15, 2010 11:23 AM

FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) — A soldier who recorded the terror of last year's deadly shooting rampage in Fort Hood using his cell phone was ordered by an officer to delete both videos, a military court heard Friday.

Under cross examination, Pfc. Lance Aviles told an Article 32 hearing that his noncommissioned officer ordered him to destroy the two videos on Nov. 5, the same day that a gunman unleashed a volley of bullets inside a processing center at the Texas Army post.

[native]

I do appreciate Ataturk, kalm, and I appreciate many of the accomplishments of the "moderate" Caliphates.

You do appreciate the fact, I hope, that even the "moderate" Caliphates have been violent and unfair to non-muslims, and that every "moderate" Caliphate has been replaced by a violent jihadist regime?

You do understand that Mohammad's motivation was conquest, and that sharia law is inextricable from Islam and inherently discriminatory against non-muslims?

Unlike the Buddhist reaction to Hindu excesses, the America-forced reformation of Shintoism, the Protestant Reformation, and internal Catholic reforms sometimes referred to as the Catholic Reformation, there has been no Islamic "reformation," and none is apparent onthe horizon.

Even today, Ataturk's little experiment in secular muslim government, brutal in its own right, is jeopardized by jihadists.

Whatever, Super Hornet.

Are there some errors in my post, kalm? I tried to keep it simple and straightforward for you. Have you surrendered your both intellect and your conscience to "progressive" political correctness?

[native]

From the previously posted Recordnet reference:

"...Maj. Eric Torina testified that he saw Maj. Libardo Eduardo Caraveo just after he had been fatally shot, sitting in a chair as if he was still waiting for his medical exam.

The motionless 52-year-old sat "with his head down like he was almost sleeping, but with a bullet hole in his head, dripping blood," he said. ..."

[native]

From the previously posted Recordnet reference:

"...Spc. Megan Martin said she had been waiting to take medical tests when saw a man to her left stand up and shout "Allahu Akbar!" — "God is great!" in Arabic — then start firing a weapon.

...Martin described how she saw Capt. John Gaffaney attempting to charge at the gunman to prevent further bloodshed. Gaffaney, a 56-year-old psychiatric nurse preparing to deploy to Iraq, was shot at close range and died.

"I could not look away. I laid as still as I could. I couldn't stop watching. It was a nightmare that reoccurs." said Martin, who belongs to the 467th Medical Detachment — the unit that Hasan was supposed to deploy with. ..."

[native]

From the previously posted Recordnet reference:

"... Pfc. Lance Aviles ... described how he was waiting for medical tests at the center with his battle buddy, Pfc. Kham Xiong, when he heard someone shout. Then the gunshots began. ...

The pair threw themselves to the floor. Aviles turned to his left to check Xiong and discovered his friend had been shot.

"His head was facing the left and a shard of his skull was sticking up," Aviles said.

Xiong, a 23-year-old father of three from St. Paul, Minn., was among the 13 who died in the attack. ..."

[Cap'n Cat]

I am waiting, Cap. Be the big man that your friends think you are and apologze for disparaging the G.I. wounded at Fort Hood. Then I will buy the next beer.

Hell, you don't even have to apologize. Just slink back to your original post and quietly delete the personal reference to the G.I. I will still buy the beer.

Nothing agaisnt the guy, naive. Just the Conk-created conflict in which he was caught.

[native]

I am waiting, Cap. Be the big man that your friends think you are and apologze for disparaging the G.I. wounded at Fort Hood. Then I will buy the next beer.

Hell, you don't even have to apologize. Just slink back to your original post and quietly delete the personal reference to the G.I. I will still buy the beer.

Nothing agaisnt the guy, naive. Just the Conk-created conflict in which he was caught.

Fair enough, Cap. Would you please edit your original post to remove your reference to the individual G.I.?

("...At least that fvckin' GI is still alive!")

[kalm]

Turn up your satire detector there Nate. I was making fun of the "Bush has kept us safe" meme. Besides, did the Ft. Hood gunmen turn only after Obama took office?

Your argument here is a big gigantic

I do appreciate your satire, kalm! But your point in the thread was about facts. The fact is that there has been a successful Islamic terrorist attack on U.S. soil on Obama's watch. It killed 13 and wounded 30 innocents.

It is a fact that Major Hasan verbalized reasons for his attack which can be accurately characterized as Islamic Terrorism.

It is a fact that the perpetrator, Major Nidal Hasan, exhibited signs of potential violence which were observed and recognized but not effectively reported.

Although it cannot be ascertained whether the environment of political correctness ushered in under the Obama administration is the primary causal factor for the lack of effective reporting in the Hasan case, it is certainly a question worth exploration and discussion.

Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph successfully perpetrated Christian Terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, and Bill Clinton is a pussy for not attacking a Christian nation in retaliation. (Kalm channeling his inner Jesse Jackson)

What I like about you Nate is the righteous indigantion displayed in a thread where you inserted:

annal cavity with your tongue.

[native]

...Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph successfully perpetrated Christian Terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, and Bill Clinton is a pussy for not attacking a Christian nation in retaliation. (Kalm channeling his inner Jesse Jackson)

What I like about you Nate is the righteous indigantion displayed in a thread where you inserted:

annal cavity with your tongue.

1. McVeigh and Rudolph were nutballs fully deserving of all our hate and opprobrium. I would not call them Christian.

2. Maybe you are too young to remember. Bill Clinton did unleash shamelessy faslse attacks on Christians and Republicans while trying to ride the publicity generated by McVeigh to change the subject from his own failures.

3. Regarding my malicious counter-attack on Cap: I am guilty of the attack, but there is no double standard here. My attack was in defense of Staff Sgt. Patrick Zeigler, whom Cap maliciously and personally attacked. I have studiously ignored hundreds of similar malicious personal attacks against myself, other bloggers and political figures, but I remain righteously indignant and will always be righteously indignant against any arsehole who initiates personal attacks against wounded heroes such as Staff Sgt. Zeigler.

[Appaholic]

Or maybe our military isn't quite up to the task of protecting it's own bases & personnel as they continue to buidl schools & wells in Crapistan after 8 years of "war".....

Yours is a legitimate question, Appy, but it really has nothing to do with Hasan, does it?

The kinds of military folks who are forward deployed, either in combat or rebuilding crapistan, are not the career track health care professionals who were well aware of Hasan's dangerous attitudes and poor performance but did nothing about it.

Fair enough...but let's try this...Hasan didn't enter the Army two years ago as a Major. So, during 8 years of the War on Terror why wasn't he run out of the military? Doesn't absolve Obama or the PC crowd, but just shedding the light on facts like this guy was a career officer in our military with 8 of the previous 9 yrs served under George W Bush & Don Rumsfeld during a time of war against Islamofacism. How do you explain that? I don't have a dog in the fight, but I'm willing to blame Obama for this one once I see Bush supporters shut up about 9/11 being Clinton's fault (even though W was in office).

[Cap'n Cat]

...Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph successfully perpetrated Christian Terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, and Bill Clinton is a pussy for not attacking a Christian nation in retaliation. (Kalm channeling his inner Jesse Jackson)

What I like about you Nate is the righteous indigantion displayed in a thread where you inserted:

1. McVeigh and Rudolph were nutballs fully deserving of all our hate and opprobrium. I would not call them Christian.

2. Maybe you are too young to remember. Bill Clinton did unleash shamelessy faslse attacks on Christians and Republicans while trying to ride the publicity generated by McVeigh to change the subject from his own failures.

3. Regarding my malicious counter-attack on Cap: I am guilty of the attack, but there is no double standard here. My attack was in defense of Staff Sgt. Patrick Zeigler, whom Cap maliciously and personally attacked. I have studiously ignored hundreds of similar malicious personal attacks against myself, other bloggers and political figures, but I remain righteously indignant and will always be righteously indignant against any arsehole who initiates personal attacks against wounded heroes such as Staff Sgt. Zeigler.

Fvck you, native. Lick his ass to soothe him if you must.

[Appaholic]

And The Cap'n expects nothing more than the flag-wrapped bullshit eminating from your pie hole, native. If you knew anything about history and Eastern civilization, you'd know the answer about "the activities" of their bad seeds. They don't share our history, the only thing by which you measure ANYTHING foreign, you dope.

Regarding cleansing that Conk puppet's anus, it will be done by you and the Fox News crowd much more thoroughly than I ever could.

I let you and your brother get away with your personal attacks against me and political figures with little or no retaliation in kind, but you crossed a line making a personal attack against the wounded G.I., Cap.

If I were a good Christian, I would be able to forgive you. I have indeed considered how I could so so, but in all honesty, I am not that good of a Christian, and I think Christians sometimes "turn the other cheek" because they are fvcking cowards.

Regardless of my feelings, or anyone's religion, your comment was inappropriate and unnecessary. For your own (presumably secular) redemption, you owe an apology to everyone on this board. Show us that you are truly the big man you claim to be and make it happen!

Where's tha personal attack? Surely you aren't taking such offense to the adjective "fucking" in Cappy's stating a fact the the (fucking?)GI is still alive? Cmon Native, please tell me you're not bein gthat hyper-sensitive....

[native]

Yours is a legitimate question, Appy, but it really has nothing to do with Hasan, does it?

The kinds of military folks who are forward deployed, either in combat or rebuilding crapistan, are not the career track health care professionals who were well aware of Hasan's dangerous attitudes and poor performance but did nothing about it.

Fair enough...but let's try this...Hasan didn't enter the Army two years ago as a Major. So, during 8 years of the War on Terror why wasn't he run out of the military? Doesn't absolve Obama or the PC crowd, but just shedding the light on facts like this guy was a career officer in our military with 8 of the previous 9 yrs served under George W Bush & Don Rumsfeld during a time of war against Islamofacism. How do you explain that? I don't have a dog in the fight, but I'm willing to blame Obama for this one once I see Bush supporters shut up about 9/11 being Clinton's fault (even though W was in office).

Great questions, Appy! The truth is I do not blame Obama completely for the Fort Hood massacre, even though he handled the aftermath weakly and poorly. Bush II clearlywould have done better. I do think that Obama has performed amazingly contortionist feats to remain politically correct with the "progressive" (i.e., REGRESSIVE) and U.N. crowds, but I would also concede that GW was too politically correct (e.g., Haditha).

The mystery to me is how Hasan was promoted to Major. Because of the long training track, it's harder to spot problems among non-operational junior officers, but by the time he was a Captain and long before his promotion board to O-4, Hasan was a certified loser. He clearly demonstrated professional incompetence even before he showed his Islamofascist hand.

Oh, by the way, Hasan was promoted to Major/O-4 in May of 2009.

In my view, the blame for failure to anticipate and pre-empt 9/11 includes Bush II but reaches back to Clinton (Mogadishu, USS Cole, refusal to assasinate bin Laden when given the opportunity, et al), Reagan (Beirut Barracks) and Carter (Iranian Revolution).

[Appaholic]

Fair enough...but let's try this...Hasan didn't enter the Army two years ago as a Major. So, during 8 years of the War on Terror why wasn't he run out of the military? Doesn't absolve Obama or the PC crowd, but just shedding the light on facts like this guy was a career officer in our military with 8 of the previous 9 yrs served under George W Bush & Don Rumsfeld during a time of war against Islamofacism. How do you explain that? I don't have a dog in the fight, but I'm willing to blame Obama for this one once I see Bush supporters shut up about 9/11 being Clinton's fault (even though W was in office).

Great questions, Appy! The truth is I do not blame Obama completely for the Fort Hood massacre, even though he handled the aftermatch weakly and poorly. I do think that Obama has performed amazingly contortionist feats to remain politically correct with the "progressive" (i.e., REGRESSIVE) and U.N. crowds, but I would also concede that GW was too politically correct (e.g., Haditha).

The mystery to me is how Hasan was promoted to Major. Because of the long training track, it's harder to spot problems among non-operational junior officers, but by the time he was a Captain and long before his promotion board to O-4, Hasan was a certified loser. He clearly demonstrated professional incompetence even before he showed his Islamofascist hand.

Oh, by the way, Hasan was promoted to Major/O-4 in May of 2009.

In my view, the blame for failure to anticipate and pre-empt 9/11 includes Bush II but reaches back to Clinton (Mogadishu, USS Cole, refusal to assasinate bin Laden when given the opportunity, et al), Reagan (Beirut Barracks) and Carter (Iranian Revolution).

This we agree upon...

[Cap'n Cat]

You are the Glenn Beck of this board, native. Dumb like a stump, overinflated sense of self-worth and a furtively thick skulled Conk.

[native]

You are the Glenn Beck of this board, native. Dumb like a stump, overinflated sense of self-worth and a furtively thick skulled Conk.

Yeah, whatever.

Why not throw me a bone and delete your offensive personal disparagement of the G.I. in your first post on this thread, so I can buy you a beer???

You do like beer, don't you, Cap?

[Appaholic]

You are the Glenn Beck of this board, native. Dumb like a stump, overinflated sense of self-worth and a furtively thick skulled Conk.

Yeah, whatever.

Why not throw me a bone and delete your offensive personal disparagement of the G.I. in your first post on this thread, so I can buy you a beer???

You do like beer, don't you, Cap?

Native, please document the "offensive personal disparagment of the GI" you keep referencing....not trying to be a smart ass, but I could not find a personal attack of this soldier by Cappy...

[Cap'n Cat]

You are the Glenn Beck of this board, native. Dumb like a stump, overinflated sense of self-worth and a furtively thick skulled Conk.

Yeah, whatever.

Why not throw me a bone and delete your offensive personal disparagement of the G.I. in your first post on this thread, so I can buy you a beer???

You do like beer, don't you, Cap?

I didn't insult the guy, so no apology. Even if I did, I wouldn't apologize. He probably killed some civilians.

Now, you need to move on to greater things like trying to find a Conk politician anywhere in the US with a substantive message instead of rehashed Conk failings from the past thirty years.

[native]

Yeah, whatever.

Why not throw me a bone and delete your offensive personal disparagement of the G.I. in your first post on this thread, so I can buy you a beer???

You do like beer, don't you, Cap?

I didn't insult the guy, so no apology. Even if I did, I wouldn't apologize. He probably killed some civilians.

Now, you need to move on to greater things like trying to find a Conk politician anywhere in the US with a substantive message instead of rehashed Conk failings from the past thirty years.

C'mon, Cap! Don't you like beer? Just git 'er done.

Don't worry about your reputation.

[Cap'n Cat]

I didn't insult the guy, so no apology. Even if I did, I wouldn't apologize. He probably killed some civilians.

Now, you need to move on to greater things like trying to find a Conk politician anywhere in the US with a substantive message instead of rehashed Conk failings from the past thirty years.

C'mon, Cap! Don't you like beer? Just git 'er done.

Don't worry about your reputation.

See Appy's post above, Nancy Reagan maxi-pad breath.

[native]

...Surely you aren't taking such offense to the adjective "****" in Cappy's stating a fact the the (****?)GI is still alive? ...

Yes, I am.

.... Cmon Native, please tell me you're not bein gthat hyper-sensitive....

Yes, I am.

C'mon, Cap. Delete that part. It is a very small request. You can do it, big guy. It won't hurt. You would be doing a good thing. You could even make fun of me afterwards.