Helmet To Helmet Hits

[89Hen]

Well then Nancy, insist they make no hitting rules.

I'm just concerned the pussy football players will get hurt.

[grizzaholic]

Hockey players make football players look like pussies.

Well then Nancy, insist they make no hitting rules.

He got hit in the head. The other guy should be suspended for at least a few games for that blatant disregard toward the other players well being.

[Squirtle]

What is this game hockey? I've never heard of it.

[GannonFan]

Well, I guess some guys on here need to add Joe Paterno, Mike Ditka, and John Madden to the ever growing list of Nancy's and girlie men - they think there's too much use of the helmets when making tackles too. Freakin old man pu**ies!!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... than-good/

Their view is to do away with the facemasks, and even practice without helmets. Then, players might relearn how to hit and tackle with their shoulders, something players today have forgotten how to do.

[Wedgebuster]

Well then Nancy, insist they make no hitting rules.

He got hit in the head. The other guy should be suspended for at least a few games for that blatant disregard toward the other players well being.

Those hard rubber pucks are fucking dangerous. Somebody could get an eye put out or worse. They should immediately switch to nerf pucks.

[Wedgebuster]

Well, I guess some guys on here need to add Joe Paterno, Mike Ditka, and John Madden to the ever growing list of Nancy's and girlie men - they think there's too much use of the helmets when making tackles too. Freakin old man pu**ies!!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... than-good/

Their view is to do away with the facemasks, and even practice without helmets. Then, players might relearn how to hit and tackle with their shoulders, something players today have forgotten how to do.

GF, those guys, especially paterno are fried. I read paternos speal, it was psycho. Read my posts, nowhere did I condone putting one's head down and spearing another player, but I strongly disagree that every VIOLENT hit falls into that category. Therefore they should not be illegal.

What I am seeing the gum flappers on the news, the commentators, and this threads girly-boys advocating is handing out suspensions for VIOLENT hits. It's football for christ sake, get the fuck over it or quit watching.

Take up ladies golf or tennis, I do approve of those sports.

[89Hen]

Those hard rubber pucks are fucking dangerous. Somebody could get an eye put out or worse. They should immediately switch to nerf pucks.

Pretty good idea.

[89Hen]

GF, those guys, especially paterno are fried. I read paternos speal, it was psycho. Read my posts, nowhere did I condone putting one's head down and spearing another player, but I strongly disagree that every VIOLENT hit falls into that category. Therefore they should not be illegal.

What I am seeing the gum flappers on the news, the commentators, and this threads girly-boys advocating is handing out suspensions for VIOLENT hits. It's football for christ sake, get the fuck over it or quit watching.

Your double speak is comical at best. Should some of the hits be illegal? Has ANYONE come even close to saying that ALL violent hits should be illegal?

[clenz]

Baseball's hurt like a bitch.

I was umping this summer, and was out behind the mound due to the bases occupied. I'd saw the team that was batting a couple times already, and I knew there was one kid who could hit the ball 500 feet. Well, he was up at bat, the pitcher hung a curve ball...a perfect hang 'em and bang 'em curve ball....well instead of hitting it out, the kid unleashed a hellashious line drive right back up the middle. I mean he hit the screws out of the ball. It was going so fast I didn't have time to react from 80ft away. I took the fucking thing right off the shin bone on my right let. Seems and everything showed up instantly. It still isn't healed. Chipped the tibia and bruised half the bone. Had it been 5 feet to the left, it would have hit the pitcher right in his plant leg knee, and he would have been FUCKED.


Long story short, much like with the helmet issue, some things are unavoidable.

[andy7171]

Well, I guess some guys on here need to add Joe Paterno, Mike Ditka, and John Madden to the ever growing list of Nancy's and girlie men - they think there's too much use of the helmets when making tackles too. Freakin old man pu**ies!!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... than-good/

Their view is to do away with the facemasks, and even practice without helmets. Then, players might relearn how to hit and tackle with their shoulders, something players today have forgotten how to do.

My coach used to have us not wear helemts when practicing pass protection. You learned quick to get your head back and arms out straight and get extention. I hated that MFer!


I've been whipped with many lacrosse balls. While heavy and made of solid rubber, they surprisingly don't hurt all that bad. They leave a helluva bruise though.

[GannonFan]

Well, I guess some guys on here need to add Joe Paterno, Mike Ditka, and John Madden to the ever growing list of Nancy's and girlie men - they think there's too much use of the helmets when making tackles too. Freakin old man pu**ies!!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... than-good/

Their view is to do away with the facemasks, and even practice without helmets. Then, players might relearn how to hit and tackle with their shoulders, something players today have forgotten how to do.

GF, those guys, especially paterno are fried. I read paternos speal, it was psycho. Read my posts, nowhere did I condone putting one's head down and spearing another player, but I strongly disagree that every VIOLENT hit falls into that category. Therefore they should not be illegal.

What I am seeing the gum flappers on the news, the commentators, and this threads girly-boys advocating is handing out suspensions for VIOLENT hits. It's football for christ sake, get the **** over it or quit watching.

Take up ladies golf or tennis, I do approve of those sports.

But that's the thing, the vast majority of the violent hits today are the helmet leading hits. Guys aren't using the shoulders anymore - tackling's turned into a lower your head and launch technique, and even if you don't actually launch yourself off the ground, you're still lunging forward with the helmet lowered. Ultimately, we need to find a way to get players to lift their heads up because they aren't doing that most of the time anymore.

[andy7171]

I don't think anyone is for allowing players putting their heads down. Even if you do lead with your shoulder like #23 did against Jackson, its almost impossible to not have your helmet make contact, it's attached on top of your shoulder.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I don't think anyone is for allowing players putting their heads down. Even if you do lead with your shoulder like #23 did against Jackson, its almost impossible to not have your helmet make contact, it's attached on top of your shoulder.

Tried over & over to make that point andy. Tried to show that the clip shows the fella making a pretty normal tackle, and not going for a helmet to helmet type thing but it hasn't worked. Let the safety crowd feel good about what they are advocating and be happy you ain't one of em'.

[GannonFan]

I don't think anyone is for allowing players putting their heads down. Even if you do lead with your shoulder like #23 did against Jackson, its almost impossible to not have your helmet make contact, it's attached on top of your shoulder.

There's a difference between making contact and having the helmet deliver the majority of the power of the hit. #23 did lower his head and he did make significant contact with his helmet. His concussion is proof of that.

[Wedgebuster]

GF, those guys, especially paterno are fried. I read paternos speal, it was psycho. Read my posts, nowhere did I condone putting one's head down and spearing another player, but I strongly disagree that every VIOLENT hit falls into that category. Therefore they should not be illegal.

What I am seeing the gum flappers on the news, the commentators, and this threads girly-boys advocating is handing out suspensions for VIOLENT hits. It's football for christ sake, get the **** over it or quit watching.

Take up ladies golf or tennis, I do approve of those sports.

But that's the thing, the vast majority of the violent hits today are the helmet leading hits. Guys aren't using the shoulders anymore - tackling's turned into a lower your head and launch technique, and even if you don't actually launch yourself off the ground, you're still lunging forward with the helmet lowered. Ultimately, we need to find a way to get players to lift their heads up because they aren't doing that most of the time anymore.

Ganny, that is hyperbole, and not your style. Again, of all these "violent hits" from this last weekend, only the hit on the aforementioned whiner Todd Heap even resembled a purely head hit, the rest are just damn good hard nosed defense, the way the game is taught. So, if after this soon to be enshrined "Black Sunday Of Violence" there is only one or so questionable head hits in a week of football, that is about the norm. So let's not fall in line behind Carol Costello types who want to dramatically diminish the character of the game purely for the squeamish, or for the delight of the extremely douchy Eagles fans bawling about whats-his-name getting his little liberty bell rung, ok?

[SuperHornet]

I know it's not "acceptable" anymore, but one should think about the orientation of the head on these hits. Back in the day, coaches taught tacklers to bury their face in the "tackle-ee's" numbers. While I don't completely understand the physics involved, that had something to do with how the neck and spine took the impact of the blow compared to the initial contact coming from the crown of the head. Regardless of whether one leads with the head or the shoulder, if one placed the blow in the belly (when possible) instead of going for the SportsCenter shot, much of this would go away.

Of course, that has nothing to do with a helmet-to-helmet blow. One would think that with all the effort that has been put into the technology of the helmet in the last thirty years or so, this wouldn't be an issue. Sure, defensive tactics are part of the problem. But I would assert that equally culpable is the prevalence of artificial turf, which causes many of the same issues we're talking about when heads bounce off it. Things like that just don't happen (at least not as often) on natural grass.

[89Hen]

Ganny, that is hyperbole

You are one funny dude wedge.

[GannonFan]

But that's the thing, the vast majority of the violent hits today are the helmet leading hits. Guys aren't using the shoulders anymore - tackling's turned into a lower your head and launch technique, and even if you don't actually launch yourself off the ground, you're still lunging forward with the helmet lowered. Ultimately, we need to find a way to get players to lift their heads up because they aren't doing that most of the time anymore.

Ganny, that is hyperbole, and not your style. Again, of all these "violent hits" from this last weekend, only the hit on the aforementioned whiner Todd Heap even resembled a purely head hit, the rest are just damn good hard nosed defense, the way the game is taught. So, if after this soon to be enshrined "Black Sunday Of Violence" there is only one or so questionable head hits in a week of football, that is about the norm. So let's not fall in line behind Carol Costello types who want to dramatically diminish the character of the game purely for the squeamish, or for the delight of the extremely douchy Eagles fans bawling about whats-his-name getting his little liberty bell rung, ok?

And that's the thing, the game is being taught wrong now. I'm not just talking about the helmet to helmet hits, I'm talking about the using your helmet as a weapon when you make a hit. You guys have gone on and on for pages about how players aren't instructed to use their helmets to tackle, how they're supposed to have their heads and eyes up when they make the hit, yet you also defend the types of hits we saw this past weekend (and really, those hits weren't different than what routinely goes on these days anyway) where guys clearly aren't keeping their heads or eyes up. If anything, you guys aren't being very consistent in what you're saying - "people shouldn't tackle that way"..."god damn pussies trying to take the manliness out of the game". Which is it?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I know it's not "acceptable" anymore, but one should think about the orientation of the head on these hits. Back in the day, coaches taught tacklers to bury their face in the "tackle-ee's" numbers. While I don't completely understand the physics involved, that had something to do with how the neck and spine took the impact of the blow compared to the initial contact coming from the crown of the head. Regardless of whether one leads with the head or the shoulder, if one placed the blow in the belly (when possible) instead of going for the SportsCenter shot, much of this would go away.

Of course, that has nothing to do with a helmet-to-helmet blow. One would think that with all the effort that has been put into the technology of the helmet in the last thirty years or so, this wouldn't be an issue. Sure, defensive tactics are part of the problem. But I would assert that equally culpable is the prevalence of artificial turf, which causes many of the same issues we're talking about when heads bounce off it. Things like that just don't happen (at least not as often) on natural grass.

SH, seriously dude. Why is it when you make a dumb fuck statement and then are shown why it is a dumb fuck statement provided with sources and stats to show your dumbfuckery you stick with it?

we had the argument over the new turf vs. grass last year. I provided a link showing that the event of injury on the newer style turf was actually less than grass and YOU STILL want to throw out your idiocy on the matter?

[clenz]

I know it's not "acceptable" anymore, but one should think about the orientation of the head on these hits. Back in the day, coaches taught tacklers to bury their face in the "tackle-ee's" numbers. While I don't completely understand the physics involved, that had something to do with how the neck and spine took the impact of the blow compared to the initial contact coming from the crown of the head. Regardless of whether one leads with the head or the shoulder, if one placed the blow in the belly (when possible) instead of going for the SportsCenter shot, much of this would go away.

Of course, that has nothing to do with a helmet-to-helmet blow. One would think that with all the effort that has been put into the technology of the helmet in the last thirty years or so, this wouldn't be an issue. Sure, defensive tactics are part of the problem. But I would assert that equally culpable is the prevalence of artificial turf, which causes many of the same issues we're talking about when heads bounce off it. Things like that just don't happen (at least not as often) on natural grass.

SH, seriously dude. Why is it when you make a dumb fuck statement and then are shown why it is a dumb fuck statement provided with sources and stats to show your dumbfuckery you stick with it?

we had the argument over the new turf vs. grass last year. I provided a link showing that the event of injury on the newer style turf was actually less than grass and YOU STILL want to throw out your idiocy on the matter?

I can tell you I've had three concussions from football, and one (maybe two, we couldn't tell from the video if it was the collision or the hitting the ground) was a direct result of my head hitting a grass field.

I'm not saying field turf wouldn't have had the same result, but I can tell you that the field turf I've been on is a lot softer than grass fields

[andy7171]

I see nothing wrong with Dunta Robinson's hit.
Harrison on Cribbs, unavoidable as Cribbs changed direction and put his head down last second.
Harrison on Massaquoa, the most questionable, I can accept it as a penalty.
Todd Heap is a giant F'ing pussy.


Boom, now I'm done.

[andy7171]

I know it's not "acceptable" anymore, but one should think about the orientation of the head on these hits. Back in the day, coaches taught tacklers to bury their face in the "tackle-ee's" numbers. While I don't completely understand the physics involved, that had something to do with how the neck and spine took the impact of the blow compared to the initial contact coming from the crown of the head. Regardless of whether one leads with the head or the shoulder, if one placed the blow in the belly (when possible) instead of going for the SportsCenter shot, much of this would go away.

Of course, that has nothing to do with a helmet-to-helmet blow. One would think that with all the effort that has been put into the technology of the helmet in the last thirty years or so, this wouldn't be an issue. Sure, defensive tactics are part of the problem. But I would assert that equally culpable is the prevalence of artificial turf, which causes many of the same issues we're talking about when heads bounce off it. Things like that just don't happen (at least not as often) on natural grass.

Old turf, yes. This new field turf, no. And whether or not natural grass, depends on how dry the field is. Dirt can be cement like when really dry.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

SH, seriously dude. Why is it when you make a dumb fuck statement and then are shown why it is a dumb fuck statement provided with sources and stats to show your dumbfuckery you stick with it?

we had the argument over the new turf vs. grass last year. I provided a link showing that the event of injury on the newer style turf was actually less than grass and YOU STILL want to throw out your idiocy on the matter?

I can tell you I've had three concussions from football, and one (maybe two, we couldn't tell from the video if it was the collision or the hitting the ground) was a direct result of my head hitting a grass field.

I'm not saying field turf wouldn't have had the same result, but I can tell you that the field turf I've been on is a lot softer than grass fields

I remember back in 2000 or 2001 when we switched over to the sprint turf how the players were talking about how much easier on their body's it was as far as knees, hips, tackling etc...

Doesn't matter though. We'll see the same shit from SH in about another year.

[clenz]

I see nothing wrong with Dunta Robinson's hit.
Harrison on Cribbs, unavoidable as Cribbs changed direction and put his head down last second.
Harrison on Massaquoa, the most questionable, I can accept it as a penalty.
Todd Heap is a giant F'ing pussy.


Boom, now I'm done.

Okay Rome.

Next thing you know Andy will be breaking out the quad yeah posts, and spending 9/10th of his posts typing the same sound bytes over and over and over...then the other tenth of his posts will be talking about how cool he is.

[andy7171]

I see nothing wrong with Dunta Robinson's hit.
Harrison on Cribbs, unavoidable as Cribbs changed direction and put his head down last second.
Harrison on Massaquoa, the most questionable, I can accept it as a penalty.
Todd Heap is a giant F'ing pussy.


Boom, now I'm done.

Okay Rome.

Next thing you know Andy will be breaking out the quad yeah posts, and spending 9/10th of his posts typing the same sound bytes over and over and over...then the other tenth of his posts will be talking about how cool he is.

Rack em.

Quality post. clenzy flat out rakes! ... Flat out rakes!



I mean could that last post be any better? ... I don't see how.




Flat out raked that one.