California's Prop 19

[ATrain]

Legalize it and tax it. End of discussion.

Agreed, but at the state level. I would be all for Virginia legalizing and controlling distribution like they do liquor.

[Cap'n Cat]

Legalize it and tax it. End of discussion.

Agreed, but at the state level. I would be all for Virginia legalizing and controlling distribution like they do liquor.

Double agreed. I would pay three times street price for weed just to do it legally.

[houndawg]

Regardless of the result of the vote, and my sister who lives in Mendocino says it won't pass, the argument of whether to legalize is irrelevant. Tens of millions of citizens have decided that it is OK and just like gun control, the horse is out of the barn and long gone. You can't collect 100,000,000 guns no matter how much you want to and even the Prison Industrial Complex of the United States can't have any effect on marijuana use. Both issues only serve to highlight the degree to which our government is no longer of, by, and for the people. Prop 19 will have little to no effect on marijuana usage, pass or fail. Just as with gun ownership, the government is getting left behind by tens of millions of citizens who know bullshit when they see it.

[travelinman67]

...Both issues only serve to highlight the degree to which our government is no longer of, by, and for the people.

Join the Tea Party.

[houndawg]

...Both issues only serve to highlight the degree to which our government is no longer of, by, and for the people.

Join the Tea Party.

I sympathize with the ones who want to keep it nonpolitical as possible. It's all these peckerwoods trying to insert themselves in front of them and bestow their own agendas upon them that keeps me away. I think they should have only one agenda item - to vote against any and all incumbents at all times. You'll lose a few good politicians but the other 99% will be gone before they can do too much damage. The populace needs to take a cue from the professionals and divide and conquer.

[native]

Join the Tea Party.

I sympathize with the ones who want to keep it nonpolitical as possible. It's all these peckerwoods trying to insert themselves in front of them and bestow their own agendas upon them that keeps me away. I think they should have only one agenda item - to vote against any and all incumbents at all times. You'll lose a few good politicians but the other 99% will be gone before they can do too much damage. The populace needs to take a cue from the professionals and divide and conquer.

Two good posts in a row, dawg.

I don't agree with voting out all incumbents all the time, but two good posts, nonetheless.

[travelinman67]

Join the Tea Party.

I sympathize with the ones who want to keep it nonpolitical as possible. It's all these peckerwoods trying to insert themselves in front of them and bestow their own agendas upon them that keeps me away. I think they should have only one agenda item - to vote against any and all incumbents at all times. You'll lose a few good politicians but the other 99% will be gone before they can do too much damage. The populace needs to take a cue from the professionals and divide and conquer.

I almost agree with you here...

...except my voting is merit based.

Do your job and keep America prosperous and moving forward...

...or find another job: Regardless of party affiliation.

My avatar makes the point. Right now, America is collapsing socially, culturally and economically. The path we're on is self destructive, hence, time to put fresh meat on The Hill.

Buh, bye!

[houndawg]

I sympathize with the ones who want to keep it nonpolitical as possible. It's all these peckerwoods trying to insert themselves in front of them and bestow their own agendas upon them that keeps me away. I think they should have only one agenda item - to vote against any and all incumbents at all times. You'll lose a few good politicians but the other 99% will be gone before they can do too much damage. The populace needs to take a cue from the professionals and divide and conquer.

I almost agree with you here...

...except my voting is merit based.

Do your job and keep America prosperous and moving forward...

...or find another job: Regardless of party affiliation.

My avatar makes the point. Right now, America is collapsing socially, culturally and economically. The path we're on is self destructive, hence, time to put fresh meat on The Hill.

Buh, bye!

Fresh meat or no, the empire is past it's peak and beginning the long slow journey to where all empires go.

[travelinman67]

I almost agree with you here...

...except my voting is merit based.

Do your job and keep America prosperous and moving forward...

...or find another job: Regardless of party affiliation.

My avatar makes the point. Right now, America is collapsing socially, culturally and economically. The path we're on is self destructive, hence, time to put fresh meat on The Hill.

Buh, bye!

Fresh meat or no, the empire is past it's peak and beginning the long slow journey to where all empires go.

Retired to N. NJ?

[houndawg]

Fresh meat or no, the empire is past it's peak and beginning the long slow journey to where all empires go.

Retired to N. NJ?

yeah, somewhere around there.

[native]

I almost agree with you here...

...except my voting is merit based.

Do your job and keep America prosperous and moving forward...

...or find another job: Regardless of party affiliation.

My avatar makes the point. Right now, America is collapsing socially, culturally and economically. The path we're on is self destructive, hence, time to put fresh meat on The Hill.

Buh, bye!

Fresh meat or no, the empire is past it's peak and beginning the long slow journey to where all empires go.

You are both spot on, and it's disgusting.

[houndawg]

Fresh meat or no, the empire is past it's peak and beginning the long slow journey to where all empires go.

You are both spot on, and it's disgusting.

Yeah it is, I wish my kids could see the country I had the great fortune to grow up in.

All things must pass.

[SDHornet]

Prop 19 will have little to no effect on marijuana usage, pass or fail. Just as with gun ownership, the government is getting left behind by tens of millions of citizens who know bullshit when they see it.

Exactly, which is why the state should step in and take any cut, no matter how small, and use it to pay off some of our mounting expenses.

I’m not sure how this plays into gun rights, but from my experiences in life, guns tend to hang around the house a hell of a lot longer than a dime sack of weed does.

[houndawg]

Prop 19 will have little to no effect on marijuana usage, pass or fail. Just as with gun ownership, the government is getting left behind by tens of millions of citizens who know bullshit when they see it.

Exactly, which is why the state should step in and take any cut, no matter how small, and use it to pay off some of our mounting expenses.

I’m not sure how this plays into gun rights, but from my experiences in life, guns tend to hang around the house a hell of a lot longer than a dime sack of weed does.

I'm saying that guns and weed are here to stay, regardless of the government's position. The people have decided.

[SDHornet]

Exactly, which is why the state should step in and take any cut, no matter how small, and use it to pay off some of our mounting expenses.

I’m not sure how this plays into gun rights, but from my experiences in life, guns tend to hang around the house a hell of a lot longer than a dime sack of weed does.

I'm saying that guns and weed are here to stay, regardless of the government's position. The people have decided.

[travelinman67]

The puppetmasters endorse Prop 19...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... on-19.html

Multibillionaire investor George Soros backs Proposition 19

October 25, 2010 | 6:51 pm

George Soros, the multibillionaire investor who helped bankroll three initiatives to change drug laws in California, endorsed the marijuana legalization initiative Monday and plans to make a major financial contribution to the campaign.

Soros, who invested $3 million in the medical marijuana initiative and two other measures, made his announcement in an opinion piece published online by the Wall Street Journal. "Proposition 19 already is a winner no matter what happens on election day. The mere fact of its being on the ballot has elevated and legitimized public discourse about marijuana and marijuana policy in ways I could not have imagined a year ago," Soros wrote...

...Peter B. Lewis, a retired insurance company executive, recently donated $209,005 to the campaign, and George Zimmer, the founder and CEO of Men’s Wearhouse, recently gave $50,000. Both businessmen
supported past initiatives to change the state’s drug laws.

Soros, Lewis and Zimmer are the quintessential greed-driven puppetmasters.


Their endorsement speaks volumes to the ethicacy and motives behind legalization.

[kalm]

The puppetmasters endorse Prop 19...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... on-19.html

Multibillionaire investor George Soros backs Proposition 19

October 25, 2010 | 6:51 pm

George Soros, the multibillionaire investor who helped bankroll three initiatives to change drug laws in California, endorsed the marijuana legalization initiative Monday and plans to make a major financial contribution to the campaign.

Soros, who invested $3 million in the medical marijuana initiative and two other measures, made his announcement in an opinion piece published online by the Wall Street Journal. "Proposition 19 already is a winner no matter what happens on election day. The mere fact of its being on the ballot has elevated and legitimized public discourse about marijuana and marijuana policy in ways I could not have imagined a year ago," Soros wrote...

...Peter B. Lewis, a retired insurance company executive, recently donated $209,005 to the campaign, and George Zimmer, the founder and CEO of Men’s Wearhouse, recently gave $50,000. Both businessmen
supported past initiatives to change the state’s drug laws.

Soros, Lewis and Zimmer are the quintessential greed-driven puppetmasters.


Their endorsement speaks volumes to the ethicacy and motives behind legalization.

Soros is a druggy too? I knew it.

[∞∞∞]

CNN reporting that Prop 19 has been rejected by the voters.

[T-Dog]

Pot should be legal. Most forms of it are no worse than most over-the-counter meds.

As my dad, a strong Conservative, said "You don't hear about pot-heads killing other people like you do drunk people".

Legalize it and tax it. You show up to work high off pot, your fired just like if you show up to work drunk.

I saw a documentary about it where a woman moved to Cali because of the medical marijuana. She's a big-time business player but endures chronic pain due to past cancer. She uses a vaporizer and then inhales it through the machine so there's no smoke or residue. And because of it, she can function on a daily basis in relative comfort. Tell me how is that wrong?

Yeah people will abuse it, but people will abuse Tylenol and any other drug out there. Caffeine is a drug and people abuse it by drinking too many sodas. It's a shame that the stigma is preventing any national lawmakers from wanting to step out and do something.

[Wedgebuster]

CNN reporting that Prop 19 has been rejected by the voters.

Illegal pot is more profitable than legal pot.

[Ivytalk]

Blame it on the "old fogy" vote.

[89Hen]

As my dad, a strong Conservative, said "You don't hear about pot-heads killing other people like you do drunk people".

That's just because they're too lazy and show no initiative.

[Appaholic]

Blame it on the "old fogy" vote.

Correct....& the irony is that their "no" vote continues to prop up the support of criminal enterprises South of the Border these same "old fogy's" blame for the this country's ills....law of uninteded consequences....

[GSUhooligan]

It's not just old fogy's. It's also:

Drug dealers
Cops
Lawyers
Medical MJ "pharmacists"
Bible humping chicken littles
Crazy moms

[89Hen]

It's not just old fogy's. It's also:

Drug dealers
Cops
Lawyers
Medical MJ "pharmacists"
Bible humping chicken littles
Crazy moms

Weird, I don't fall into any of those categories, but I'd vote no if it came up in my state.