Montana staying in FCS

[EWURanger]

I'm predicting Griz will NEVER move up with him as President, and soon we'll be in a conference with Central Washington, MSU-Billings, Carroll, etc. because all the REAL schools will have moved on.

That's an obscene exaggeration, and you know it.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Why am I replying to the dumb shit you say?

Simple dude.

I like you and I feel bad for you.

Ditto.

Poor guy. Look at him.

[Appaholic]

Well if that doesn't beat all!

So, it's all based on conjecture. Gotcha.

So you're cool with this scenario? Gotcha. Perhaps Montana could send a team into Dancing with the Stars. It's a popular show, you know.....

[AZGrizFan]

So, it's all based on conjecture. Gotcha.

So you're cool with this scenario? Gotcha. Perhaps Montana could send a team into Dancing with the Stars. It's a popular show, you know.....

Sure. But they won't. And besides, DWTS already has a playoff system.

[slycat]

This is too bad. I was looking forward to the idea of being in the same conference as Montana. Y'all have a lot of class fans and I would have loved to take a trip there one day to watch a game.

[Appaholic]

So you're cool with this scenario? Gotcha. Perhaps Montana could send a team into Dancing with the Stars. It's a popular show, you know.....

Sure. But they won't. And besides, DWTS already has a playoff system.

Based on merit I'm sure...

[slycat]

AZ are you being serious? I thought you were against the move due to the weakness of the new WAC. But I've been MIA around here lately so what do I know.

[AZGrizFan]

AZ are you being serious? I thought you were against the move due to the weakness of the new WAC. But I've been MIA around here lately so what do I know.

Depends on they day. I'm doing my best catamount man impersonation here.

[Silenoz]

FBS is/has changed. Those types of games are becoming much more common than in the past


Not really. In the last ten years, the only times I can recall us being an underdog to an FCS team were JMU in the semis, and MAYBE McNeese in 2002.


Because we'll have more guys. I feel safe in calling our very high number of players from the 07-09 teams that made a pros a lucky anomaly/perfect storm of high in-state talent and solid player development. As an FBS team, having this many guys making an impact would be the norm, not the exception. And I don't care about perception, and whether people think they played at a lesser school. I just want to see them play at the next level.

How many NFL players does Boise, Wyoming, Idaho have compared to Montana?

More, usually (although not at the moment, because we're awesome). Boise and Idaho and Fresno State just put out first rounders last year in fact


Montana
PLAYER TEAM POSITION
Colt Anderson Philadelphia Eagles Safety
Kroy Biermann Atlanta Falcons Defensive End
Dan Carpenter Miami Dolphins Place kicker
Tuff Harris Pittsburgh Steelers Safety
Lex Hilliard Miami Dolphins Running Back
Marc Mariani Tennessee Titans Wide Receiver
Cory Procter Miami Dolphins Guard
Shann Schillinger Atlanta Falcons Safety


Boise State
PLAYER TEAM POSITION
Chris Carr Baltimore Ravens Cornerback
Ryan Clady Denver Broncos Offensive Tackle
Daryn Colledge Green Bay Packers Guard
Korey Hall Green Bay Packers Fullback
Quintin Mikell Philadelphia Eagles Safety
Legedu Naanee San Diego Chargers Wide Receiver
Orlando Scandrick Dallas Cowboys Cornerback
Kyle Wilson New York Jets Cornerback


Idaho
PLAYER TEAM POSITION
Mike Iupati San Francisco 49ers Guard
Max Komar Arizona Cardinals Wide Receiver
Jake Scott Tennessee Titans Guard
David Vobora St. Louis Rams Linebacker


Wyoming
PLAYER TEAM POSITION
Malcom Floyd San Diego Chargers Wide Receiver
Adam Goldberg St. Louis Rams Offensive Tackle
Derrick Martin Green Bay Packers Safety
Devin Moore Indianapolis Colts Running Back
John Wendling Detroit Lions Safety



Unless you're Delaware who apparently have Satan on their side as far as attracting NFL-quality QB transfers, there is a direct correlation between the division/sub-division you're in, and the amount of NFL players you develop. In fact let's do a better comparison, of the dregs of the BSC vs WAC, and the top of the BSC vs WAC

Top programs:
Fresno St - 17
Hawaii - 12
Boise St - 8

Montana - 8
Montana State - 2
Eastern Washington - 1


Bottom programs:
San Jose St - 7
Idaho - 4
New Mexico St - 2


Northern Colorado - 3
Idaho State - 2
Sac State - 1

[Silenoz]

Guys, guys. You still have a nice stadium.

No, no. They still have Monte.

Monte has been dead to us ever since he crashed his inaugural motorcycle ride last season

[AZGrizFan]

Sure. But they won't. And besides, DWTS already has a playoff system.

Based on merit I'm sure...

The same merit that the NCAA uses to choose the 10 at-large teams.

[slycat]

AZ are you being serious? I thought you were against the move due to the weakness of the new WAC. But I've been MIA around here lately so what do I know.

Depends on they day. I'm doing my best catamount man impersonation here.

Haha alright. Best of luck to the Griz in the new and improved Big Sky.

[Appaholic]

Based on merit I'm sure...

The same merit that the NCAA uses to choose the 10 at-large teams.

When's the last time a losing record or .500 record got an at-large? When's the last time an at-large team won the NC? & when's the last time somebody not in the BCS won an FBS NC? And how many times have there been multiple claims on the FBS NC? & how many controversies regarding NC have erupted in FCS?

[AZGrizFan]

The same merit that the NCAA uses to choose the 10 at-large teams.

When's the last time a losing record or .500 record got an at-large? When's the last time an at-large team won the NC? & when's the last time somebody not in the BCS won an FBS NC? And how many times have there been multiple claims on the FBS NC? & how many controversies regarding NC have erupted in FCS?

So, there's no judgement based selection criteria for FCS playoffs?

[Silenoz]

The same merit that the NCAA uses to choose the 10 at-large teams.

When's the last time a losing record or .500 record got an at-large? When's the last time an at-large team won the NC? & when's the last time somebody not in the BCS won an FBS NC? And how many times have there been multiple claims on the FBS NC? & how many controversies regarding NC have erupted in FCS?

Depends. Do San Diego and Dayton fans count as real people?

[93henfan]

Unless you're Delaware who apparently have Satan on their side as far as attracting NFL-quality QB transfers...

Pshhh. We've only had three in the last seven years. That's not many is it?

[Big McLargehuge]

I've been on the fence on this issue from the start (generally on the move-up side of the fence in general, but the WAC's weakness has pushed it to being a slight siding) but now that we have the answer I'm pissed. More for the reasoning than anything else.

Cat-Griz is huge and its important...but we're sacrificing for them. I am not okay with holding ourselves back for them.

To say nothing about the hilariousness of North Dakota being some grand step forward for the Big Sky or the sheer lack of brass to say that we may not be able to compete with WAC teams across the board.


If they came out and said we're not going to go because we don't believe we can financially support the move to be at the level that we want to be at...then fine, I could accept that. But those three ratings...horrible.

[clenz]

I've been on the fence on this issue from the start (generally on the move-up side of the fence in general, but the WAC's weakness has pushed it to being a slight siding) but now that we have the answer I'm pissed. More for the reasoning than anything else.

Cat-Griz is huge and its important...but we're sacrificing for them. I am not okay with holding ourselves back for them.

To say nothing about the hilariousness of North Dakota being some grand step forward for the Big Sky or the sheer lack of brass to say that we may not be able to compete with WAC teams across the board.


If they came out and said we're not going to go because we don't believe we can financially support the move to be at the level that we want to be at...then fine, I could accept that. But those three ratings...horrible.

That I can buy.

AZ's bull shit, i can't.

[Appaholic]

When's the last time a losing record or .500 record got an at-large? When's the last time an at-large team won the NC? & when's the last time somebody not in the BCS won an FBS NC? And how many times have there been multiple claims on the FBS NC? & how many controversies regarding NC have erupted in FCS?

So, there's no judgement based selection criteria for FCS playoffs?

Sure there is, but you conference winners have a guaranteed seat at the table. And I'd support a move up by App if all FBS conferences had a shot at a playoff...that's all I'm asking for...without it, it's a beauty contest for SEC, Big 10, Big 12 & Pac 10. ACC & Big East are window dressing. MWC, Wac & the rest might as well drop back to FCS. If NCAA would create a playoff for conf winners then I'd see the benefit of moving up....it's that simple.

[Appaholic]

I've been on the fence on this issue from the start (generally on the move-up side of the fence in general, but the WAC's weakness has pushed it to being a slight siding) but now that we have the answer I'm pissed. More for the reasoning than anything else.

Cat-Griz is huge and its important...but we're sacrificing for them. I am not okay with holding ourselves back for them.

To say nothing about the hilariousness of North Dakota being some grand step forward for the Big Sky or the sheer lack of brass to say that we may not be able to compete with WAC teams across the board.


If they came out and said we're not going to go because we don't believe we can financially support the move to be at the level that we want to be at...then fine, I could accept that. But those three ratings...horrible.

That I can buy.

AZ's bull shit, i can't.

Me too....you don't make the choice because of your rival. You make the choice because you can compete on a level playing field with equal opportunity to win the prize. If you're not going to be given a chance then why do it at all....

[Silenoz]

That I can buy.

AZ's bull ****, i can't.

Me too....you don't make the choice because of your rival. You make the choice because you can compete on a level playing field with equal opportunity to win the prize. If you're not going to be given a chance then why do it at all....

One could argue that the Big Sky has barely been a level playing field for 15 years. And the opportunity to win the FCS prize in reality has resided within 4 conferences since the early '90s

[Appaholic]

Me too....you don't make the choice because of your rival. You make the choice because you can compete on a level playing field with equal opportunity to win the prize. If you're not going to be given a chance then why do it at all....

One could argue that the Big Sky has barely been a level playing field for 15 years. And the opportunity to win the FCS prize in reality has resided within 4 conferences since the early '90s

One could also make the argument that those same four conferences had to defeat teams from other conferences for that chance....a claim the current FBS/BCS abortion cannot make....

[Fresno St. Alum]

well this board will still have lots of members posting since Montana is staying.

I wish you guys would have moved up, because in 5 years you guys would have owned the WAC w/ Hawaii and got an invite to the MWC and you coulda been a conf. game for us.

[AZGrizFan]

That I can buy.

AZ's bull shit, i can't.

Me too....you don't make the choice because of your rival. You make the choice because you can compete on a level playing field with equal opportunity to win the prize. If you're not going to be given a chance then why do it at all....

And that's been my only point. This decision was made for 3 of the lamest reasons on the fucking PLANET.

[AZGrizFan]

well this board will still have lots of members posting since Montana is staying.

I wish you guys would have moved up, because in 5 years you guys would have owned the WAC w/ Hawaii and got an invite to the MWC and you coulda been a conf. game for us.

As I said earlier, to get to AAA, you gotta go through AA.