Did Bitter Montana AD screw over MSU, EWU??

[bandl]

Too bad the Montana AD isn't gay, otherwise dbj would be spinning a completely different story.

[BearIt]

The committee did the Big Sky a favor this year. They made it so the odds are in favor of a Big Sky team making it to the semi's. This can stop all the ECB talk about "...the last time a team other than Montanan made it to the semis."

I honestly don't think either team had a very good chance of getting past the quarters if they were in different brackets. Now they have a great chance. Then all they need is that semi final game to go their way and they are in big chipper.

This is the best thing O'Day could have done for the Big Sky.

If both teams were stronger I would be more upset by the placement (like Montana and Weber a couple years ago), but this year I think works in the Big Sky's favor.

[kalm]

I'm apparently one of the few EWU fans that, while taking a slight issue with the Tribe and UD being seeded ahead of us, am thankful for our bracket. That being said, and straight from O'day and the rule book's mouth, history and $'s don't matter. That is pure and utter bull ****.

UD's ooc is westchester, duquesne, and SDSU.

W&M is VMI, ODU, and UNC

ASU is NCCU, JU, and Florida

EWU is Nevada, CWU, and SUU.

MSU is WSU, Drake, and Ft. Lewis.

No one has a clear advantage so you can all at least acknowledge that a gripe is worthy.

Sagarin's final ranking tells a bit of a story though since all teams have completed their seasons in FCS as to who had the better or tougher row to hoe this year. There is an argument but as I said it isn't a strong one to make unless you can put all those floating points out there in your one basket.

Your point on the OOC is solid but the complete resume can not be dismissed and I think we all agree that the CAA is a stronger conference to go through. That certainly doesn't mean that the top 2 teams going from the BSC aren't as good as there top 2 or 3 though.

Agreed.

But I still think we had at least an equal resume to Delaware. Their best win(s) were JMU (6-5 #14 Sagarin), UMASS (6-5, #17), Richmond (6-5 #24), and our wins were against Sac (6-5 #11), NAU (6-5 #15), and Montana (7-4 #23). Throw in Weber (#26) and SUU (#27) and we have 5 wins against the Sagarin top 30. Delaware has only 3 and you have to go all the way to Maine at #41 to find their next. So I'm not so sure they had a signifcantly more difficult road to hoe, and they certainly didn't have as many quality wins or one quality win better than any of ours. And again, we had a better OOC resume.

If Montana and/or Sac had won saturday I think we would have moved up to one of the top 2. Getting three teams to 8-3 or better and in the playoffs followed by a 7-4 Sac would have helped the Sagarin ratings for both us and the conference as a whole.

This is the strongest I've seen the BSC from top to bottom in quite some time. But sometimes that doesn't present itself on paper.

Again, my panties ain't in too much of a bunch over this one, it just would have been nice to have an additional guaranteed home game.

[kalm]

If you are only going to look at the quantity and quality of loses, then Jacksonville should be the #2 seed since they only lost to the #1 seed. You have to look at loses and wins... EWU didn't beat any playoff teams.

Neither did Delaware.

[BlackFalkin]

How does 8-3 W&M get #2 seed with losses to unranked UNC, 6-5 JMU, & 6-5 UMASS? (And a 12k seat stadium which is the same amount as EWU's stadium)

[dbackjon]

How does 8-3 W&M get #2 seed with losses to unranked UNC, 6-5 JMU, & 6-5 UMASS? (And a 12k seat stadium which is the same amount as EWU's stadium)

That is the real head-scratcher, to me.

[State Line Liquors]

All a Big Sky team has to do is win a couple games there supposed to and they're in the semis. They don't even pit you up against a CAA team or App State until the final four! I'd gladly trade the UNI/Lehigh winner for the N Dak St/Robert Morris winner or SEMO. Or how about SCST/GSU winner for NDST/RMU/SEMO? You guys are delusional. Look how much more difficult it will be to get to the semi's for the 1,2 & 3 seeds!

Quit complaining, it's unbecoming.

[mcveyrl]

How does 8-3 W&M get #2 seed with losses to unranked UNC, 6-5 JMU, & 6-5 UMASS? (And a 12k seat stadium which is the same amount as EWU's stadium)

That is the real head-scratcher, to me.

First, I think they said they didn't look at FBS losses, so that one's out. The other two are some of the best 6-5 teams out there. But you guys are again just looking at losses.

They have wins over the other three CAA playoff teams. I don't think anybody else in the field has more than one win over a playoff team, do they?

[mcveyrl]

NM. Idiot. Me.

[BlackFalkin]

UD, MSU & EWU have better record, better wins & BIGGER STADIUMS! Wtf is the deal? This is the fcs thats supposed to be so fair... how does the #1 ranked team in the nation get #5 seed under an 8-3 w&m? The process shd be open/made public. App State comes off a loss to & retains the #1 seed? Hows that? ASU plays in a *WEAK* conference so they shd be given the #4 seed, W&M the #5 seed. Its a toss up for 1-3seed with UD, MSU, & EWU. EWU has the longer streak plus #1 rank so therefor shd've got the #1, UD#2 MSU#3 ASU#4 W&M#5.

[Appaholic]

UD, MSU & EWU have better record, better wins & BIGGER STADIUMS! Wtf is the deal? This is the fcs thats supposed to be so fair... how does the #1 ranked team in the nation get #5 seed under an 8-3 w&m? The process shd be open/made public. App State comes off a loss to & retains the #1 seed? Hows that? ASU plays in a *WEAK* conference so they shd be given the #4 seed, W&M the #5 seed. Its a toss up for 1-3seed with UD, MSU, & EWU. EWU has the longer streak plus #1 rank so therefor shd've got the #1, UD#2 MSU#3 ASU#4 W&M#5.

You play in the weak-ass Big Fluffy that hasn't won a title in a decade....besides, that ugly-ass field alone is worth dropping you two spots in any poll.....

[BlackFalkin]

Please, you idiot. That turf gets more pub with no NC, that app with 3. App St sux u bastard.

SoCon teams besides Crapp st.

Woff
furman



Check that SIGGY you inbred bastard!

[BlackFalkin]

how does 7-4 Nova get in over Montana? WTF??????????
um has bigger stadium, more tradition & lost to 2 playoff teams.


& MSU & EWU are the only seeds that have to play each other to get past the quarters TOTAL BS!

[mcveyrl]

how does 7-4 Nova get in over Montana? WTF??????????
um has bigger stadium, more tradition & lost to 2 playoff teams.


& MSU & EWU are the only seeds that have to play each other to get past the quarters TOTAL BS!

And now the true inbred bastard shows his genius.

Hey, buddy...there are 5 seeds. The semi-finals contain 4 teams. By definition, two of the seeds have to meet in the quarters. And, as long as seeding has been seeding, the 4 and 5 teams meet in the quarters. CONSPIRACY!!

[jd of de]

& MSU & EWU are the only seeds that have to play each other to get past the quarters TOTAL BS!

It's obvious you don't think you can beat MSU with all the whining.

[BlackFalkin]

And now the true inbred bastard shows his genius.

EWU & MSU still have to meet in the quarters u idiot, making their paths harder(no homo). Conspiricy? Yes

[BlackFalkin]

It's obvious you don't think you can beat MSU with all the whining.

Well one of em has to lose, its a toss bc EWU is better but the game would be played in Bozeman, which sux. Id rather EWU play a diff conf team & play MSU in the semis IF NEED BE.

[Appaholic]

Please, you idiot. That turf gets more pub with no NC, that app with 3. App St sux u bastard.

SoCon teams besides Crapp st.

Woff
furman



Check that SIGGY you inbred bastard!

It's a shame you have to resort to the field itself for publicity since the product ON THE FIELD has never accomplished anything worthy of publicity... ...you still wanna make that bet on EWU winning the NC?

[Appaholic]

It's obvious you don't think you can beat MSU with all the whining.

Well one of em has to lose, its a toss bc EWU is better but the game would be played in Bozeman, which sux. Id rather EWU play a diff conf team & play MSU in the semis IF NEED BE.

All either of you are playing for is for a chance to get a refresher course on getting your ass kicked in Boone.....yet again....

[BlackFalkin]

EWU almost beat app, lost by 3 points. Not bad for EWU since ASU won the NC that year, THIS YEAR EASTERN WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY IS GOING TO WIN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. *THATS A FACT*. IM GOING TO BE AT EACH AND EVERY PLAYOFF GAME, ALL THE WAY TO FRICO WHEN EWU HOISTS THE CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY YA JACKNERD!

[BlackFalkin]

All either of you are playing for is for a chance to get a refresher course on getting your ass kicked in Boone.....yet again....

Really? bc i thought Armanti Edwards played for Carolina now. Question, IF YOU CANT WIN THE NC WITH ARMANTI EDWARDS, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK U CAN WIN IT WITHOUT HIM?. App State's best win is NORTH CAROLINA CENTRAL ASU is overrated, and im makin it my personal business that EWU HOIST that NC trophy ya bastard. See ya in Frico W&M.

[Skjellyfetti]

Y'all did really well at the end of that game to make it look closer than it was.

We were up 17 with 6 minutes left.

But, if congrats on the moral victory.

[BlackFalkin]

Y'all did really well at the end of that game to make it look closer than it was.

We were up 17 with 6 minutes left.

So what, games have been lost in smaller amounts of time you idiot. That just shows you inbred hicks DONT KNOW WHAT THE FVCK your talkin about. If you win by 3 points, YOU BEARLY WON. Dont try to spin that sh:t, EWU dug in that @ss good (no homo). Dont talk too much sh:t bc we (ill be at EVERY PLAYOFF GAME) might be down there in a few weeks to kick the sht out of Crapp state u fvckin party boys.

[kalm]

Funny how we've now regressed to red turf and history as the explanations for why EWU is not seeded higher.

[appvette]

If you are only going to look at the quantity and quality of loses, then Jacksonville should be the #2 seed since they only lost to the #1 seed. You have to look at loses and wins... EWU didn't beat any playoff teams.

Neither did Delaware.

Again, you have to look at wins AND loses. Delaware didn't beat any playoff teams, but they lost to two playoff teams by 1 point and in overtime. They also beat several bubble teams. EWU also didn't beat any playoff teams, but they had a major loss to the only playoff team they played.

I'm not saying there is a clear distinction between each seed, but there is justification.