UW clinic to offer second trimester abortions!!!

[AZGrizFan]

You literally said you don't condone it as a method of birth control 2 posts ago. I was with you until you posted this. Close your legs, simple, if not, consequences. Such is life. People aren't held accountable for their actions enough anymore. Why do you think waiting til your married to have sex is such an effective belief? Obviously, in most cases, that will not happen, so you are playing russian roulette. If that bullet gets off, you're dead either way. I don't really think I'm going to convince you of my views, really just has to do with your contradiction. If you believe abortion is fine, I have no right to tell you otherwise, and the law doesn't either.


Sorry you actually said you aren't a fan of it.

That's the donk MANTRA, wide.

NOBODY is responsible. Or, better yet, the GOVERNMENT is responsible. IT's THEIR job to teach me my moral values.

[slycat]

Sweet now we can get some material for stem cell research

[wideright82]

You literally said you don't condone it as a method of birth control 2 posts ago. I was with you until you posted this. Close your legs, simple, if not, consequences. Such is life. People aren't held accountable for their actions enough anymore. Why do you think waiting til your married to have sex is such an effective belief? Obviously, in most cases, that will not happen, so you are playing russian roulette. If that bullet gets off, you're dead either way. I don't really think I'm going to convince you of my views, really just has to do with your contradiction. If you believe abortion is fine, I have no right to tell you otherwise, and the law doesn't either.


Sorry you actually said you aren't a fan of it.

That's the donk MANTRA, wide.

NOBODY is responsible. Or, better yet, the GOVERNMENT is responsible. IT's THEIR job to teach me my moral values.

That is why I don't get our "conk" mantra to try and determine some sort of moral code that people should abide by. This topic shouldn't even come up politically, it has nothing to do with government. I don't agree with abortion, but who am I to make a decision for someone else? My entire issue with the Republican party, my party, is in this, and other clearly moral/religious problems that the government has no business in (i.e gay marriage, i don't give a flying FCUK if they receive basic marital rights. Spousal privilege, gifting laws, CST ability, and other spousal privileges). There is not enough certainty in the future of an aborted fetus, and there is no clear cut line in when it becomes "human" (i would argue Hitler was not human, too, as an example) so I don't think the law has any place in it.


I do agree it is the parents responsibility to teach morals, but that was much easier back when there wasn't such filth anywhere. It is assistance to adapt to the times. It was easy to teach your kids about sex when all that was on tv was archie bunker. When a show like the hills, or two and a half men are on, there is a much more difficult task at hand. The minor mind is easilly molded, and preteen sex is at an all time high. It is not as easy as it used to be with as much access kids have to smut. Sorry, but I just don't agree with my fellow republicans on this one.

[wideright82]

Sweet now we can get some material for stem cell research

There is a complete misunderstanding of embryonic and all other stem cell research that doesn't even need to be brought up in this already heated thread. Another topic I tend to lean more Donk on.

[Grizalltheway]

Sweet now we can get some material for stem cell research

There is a complete misunderstanding of embryonic and all other stem cell research that doesn't even need to be brought up in this already heated thread. Another topic I tend to lean more Donk on.

Like the fact that the embryos they use are leftovers from in vitro fertilization that get tossed out anyway?

[wideright82]

There is a complete misunderstanding of embryonic and all other stem cell research that doesn't even need to be brought up in this already heated thread. Another topic I tend to lean more Donk on.

Like the fact that the embryos they use are leftovers from in vitro fertilization that get tossed out anyway?

Actually, yes, that is exactly what I meant. Just didn't want that pot getting stirred.

[slycat]

Sweet now we can get some material for stem cell research

There is a complete misunderstanding of embryonic and all other stem cell research that doesn't even need to be brought up in this already heated thread. Another topic I tend to lean more Donk on.

Just adding a log to the fire....and making generalizations.

[wideright82]

There is a complete misunderstanding of embryonic and all other stem cell research that doesn't even need to be brought up in this already heated thread. Another topic I tend to lean more Donk on.

Just adding a log to the fire....and making generalizations.

Thought that is what you were doing.

[Appaholic]

You literally said you don't condone it as a method of birth control 2 posts ago. I was with you until you posted this. Close your legs, simple, if not, consequences. Such is life. People aren't held accountable for their actions enough anymore. Why do you think waiting til your married to have sex is such an effective belief? Obviously, in most cases, that will not happen, so you are playing russian roulette. If that bullet gets off, you're dead either way. I don't really think I'm going to convince you of my views, really just has to do with your contradiction. If you believe abortion is fine, I have no right to tell you otherwise, and the law doesn't either.


Sorry you actually said you aren't a fan of it.

That's the donk MANTRA, wide.

NOBODY is responsible. Or, better yet, the GOVERNMENT is responsible. IT's THEIR job to teach me my moral values.

By outlawing abortion, aren't you essentially removing the responsibility of making a decision by decree? As well as practicing medicine via the government? I have no problem with not subsidizing abortion via federal tax dollars, but to completely eliminate it as a viable medical choice in certain situations is archaic and asinine.

[D1B]

You literally said you don't condone it as a method of birth control 2 posts ago. I was with you until you posted this. Close your legs, simple, if not, consequences. Such is life. People aren't held accountable for their actions enough anymore. Why do you think waiting til your married to have sex is such an effective belief? Obviously, in most cases, that will not happen, so you are playing russian roulette. If that bullet gets off, you're dead either way. I don't really think I'm going to convince you of my views, really just has to do with your contradiction. If you believe abortion is fine, I have no right to tell you otherwise, and the law doesn't either.


Sorry you actually said you aren't a fan of it.

That's the donk MANTRA, wide.

NOBODY is responsible. Or, better yet, the GOVERNMENT is responsible. IT's THEIR job to teach me my moral values.

You're so fukcing wrong on this it's funny. The entire Conk social platform is based on forcing people to accept fundamentalist christian values/morals. The conks preach less goverment ONLY when it comes to the distribution of wealth and services and regulation of markets and THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS. They've even fukced that up too.

You're pathetic attempt to extend this to morals is utterly laughable. Your fukcing party has been run by fundamentalist christians since Reagan.

No shit the parent are responsible for their kids, no shit teenager ARE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, responsible for their behavior, no shit the gubment's job aint to teach morals but that doesn't mean the schools can teach nonsense like abstinence only or creationism as science. Responsible sex education is HEALTH EDUCATION you dimwit and the schools need to be teaching it in a responsible manner.

[AZGrizFan]

That's the donk MANTRA, wide.

NOBODY is responsible. Or, better yet, the GOVERNMENT is responsible. IT's THEIR job to teach me my moral values.

You're so fukcing wrong on this it's funny. The entire Conk social platform is based on forcing people to accept fundamentalist christian values/morals. The conks preach less goverment ONLY when it comes to the distribution of wealth and services and regulation of markets and THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS. They've even fukced that up too.

You're pathetic attempt to extend this to morals is utterly laughable. Your fukcing party has been run by fundamentalist christians since Reagan.

No shit the parent are responsible for their kids, no shit teenager ARE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, responsible for their behavior, no shit the gubment's job aint to teach morals but that doesn't mean the schools can teach nonsense like abstinence only or creationism as science. Responsible sex education is HEALTH EDUCATION you dimwit and the schools need to be teaching it in a responsible manner.

Hey, remember I'm pro choice! And I voted for sex education in the schools. I'm not an abstinence only believer.

But seriously, my attempt to extend this to morals isn't NEARLY as laughable as you and your brothers' continued attempts to make this a political or religous issue when EVERY statistic out there points directly to this being a cultural/race issue. The day we start taking responsibility for our actions, the day we understand that if we choose to have sex there are consequences, the day we realize that "crotch fruit" (PFL's term, and perhaps the most dispicable descriptor for children I've EVER heard) are more important than PETS, the day we can convince the minorities to quit perpetuating the cycle of teen pregnancy and destruction in their cultures, THAT'S the day we start getting better as a country.

But it doesn't really matter, D. I ain't changin' your mind and you ain't changin' mine. You wanna blame it on somebody and I want people to take responsibility for themselves.

[D1B]

You're so fukcing wrong on this it's funny. The entire Conk social platform is based on forcing people to accept fundamentalist christian values/morals. The conks preach less goverment ONLY when it comes to the distribution of wealth and services and regulation of markets and THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS. They've even fukced that up too.

You're pathetic attempt to extend this to morals is utterly laughable. Your fukcing party has been run by fundamentalist christians since Reagan.

No shit the parent are responsible for their kids, no shit teenager ARE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, responsible for their behavior, no shit the gubment's job aint to teach morals but that doesn't mean the schools can teach nonsense like abstinence only or creationism as science. Responsible sex education is HEALTH EDUCATION you dimwit and the schools need to be teaching it in a responsible manner.

Hey, remember I'm pro choice! And I voted for sex education in the schools. I'm not an abstinence only believer.

But seriously, my attempt to extend this to morals isn't NEARLY as laughable as you and your brothers' continued attempts to make this a political or religous issue when EVERY statistic out there points directly to this being a cultural/race issue. The day we start taking responsibility for our actions, the day we understand that if we choose to have sex there are consequences, the day we realize that "crotch fruit" (PFL's term, and perhaps the most dispicable descriptor for children I've EVER heard) are more important than PETS, the day we can convince the minorities to quit perpetuating the cycle of teen pregnancy and destruction in their cultures, THAT'S the day we start getting better as a country.

But it doesn't really matter, D. I ain't changin' your mind and you ain't changin' mine. You wanna blame it on somebody and I want people to take responsibility for themselves.

The personal accountability issue aside. If the goverment is going to get into the sex education game, then it needs to be held accountable. That's all. In fact, I've said I agree, numerous times that people should be held accountable.

"The day we understand sex has consequences...." I understand this, but the government should not be in the business of making the liklihood of pregnancy greater by teaching nonsense, forcing schools to make a decision between teaching nonsense and getting much needed funding, restricting safe birth control products from getting to market and making it dangerous or impossible to get an abortion.

We're not far apart here. The difference is I'm willing to accept your argument of personal accountablility as a factor and you're not willing to admit that the goverment is failing our children. Truth is they both need to be held accountable.

You're also not willing to accept religion's role, which is unfortunate and undermines your credibility.

[AZGrizFan]

Hey, remember I'm pro choice! And I voted for sex education in the schools. I'm not an abstinence only believer.

But seriously, my attempt to extend this to morals isn't NEARLY as laughable as you and your brothers' continued attempts to make this a political or religous issue when EVERY statistic out there points directly to this being a cultural/race issue. The day we start taking responsibility for our actions, the day we understand that if we choose to have sex there are consequences, the day we realize that "crotch fruit" (PFL's term, and perhaps the most dispicable descriptor for children I've EVER heard) are more important than PETS, the day we can convince the minorities to quit perpetuating the cycle of teen pregnancy and destruction in their cultures, THAT'S the day we start getting better as a country.

But it doesn't really matter, D. I ain't changin' your mind and you ain't changin' mine. You wanna blame it on somebody and I want people to take responsibility for themselves.

The personal accountability issue aside. If the goverment is going to get into the sex education game, then it needs to be held accountable. That's all. In fact, I've said I agree, numerous times that people should be held accountable.

"The day we understand sex has consequences...." I understand this, but the government should not be in the business of making the liklihood of pregnancy greater by teaching nonsense, forcing schools to make a decision between teaching nonsense and getting much needed funding, restricting safe birth control products from getting to market and making it dangerous or impossible to get an abortion.

We're not far apart here. The difference is I'm willing to accept your argument of personal accountablility as a factor and you're not willing to admit that the goverment is failing our children. Truth is they both need to be held accountable.

You're also not willing to accept religion's role, which is unfortunate and undermines your credibility.

Perhaps where we CAN agree is that the government should not be IN this business, period. And it's not that I don't accept that religion does have a role, I can accept that...it's that you seem incapable of admitting that RACE plays a much BIGGER role in determining the likelihood of a teen getting pregnant despite all statistics pointing to that issue.

Now I feel like the two threads have merged into one!

[D1B]

The personal accountability issue aside. If the goverment is going to get into the sex education game, then it needs to be held accountable. That's all. In fact, I've said I agree, numerous times that people should be held accountable.

"The day we understand sex has consequences...." I understand this, but the government should not be in the business of making the liklihood of pregnancy greater by teaching nonsense, forcing schools to make a decision between teaching nonsense and getting much needed funding, restricting safe birth control products from getting to market and making it dangerous or impossible to get an abortion.

We're not far apart here. The difference is I'm willing to accept your argument of personal accountablility as a factor and you're not willing to admit that the goverment is failing our children. Truth is they both need to be held accountable.

You're also not willing to accept religion's role, which is unfortunate and undermines your credibility.

Perhaps where we CAN agree is that the government should not be IN this business, period. And it's not that I don't accept that religion does have a role, I can accept that...it's that you seem incapable of admitting that RACE plays a much BIGGER role in determining the likelihood of a teen getting pregnant despite all statistics pointing to that issue.

Now I feel like the two threads have merged into one!

I can admit race plays a factor. I don't like minorities just as much as the next guy.

Again the stats reflected "across the board" figures which means white teen numbers are rising as well.

During the last 8 years we've seen an explosion in funding to A-O education intitiatives, lobbied hard for by religious republicans THEN wah la we see the teen preggo rate sudden go up after plummeting for 15 years. I'm no sherlock holmes but it sure does seem fishy.

It is nice though that were seeing more and more states turn down A-O federal funding.

[ASUMountaineer]

That's the donk MANTRA, wide.

NOBODY is responsible. Or, better yet, the GOVERNMENT is responsible. IT's THEIR job to teach me my moral values.

By outlawing abortion, aren't you essentially removing the responsibility of making a decision by decree? As well as practicing medicine via the government? I have no problem with not subsidizing abortion via federal tax dollars, but to completely eliminate it as a viable medical choice in certain situations is archaic and asinine.

As a pro-lifer, I completely concur.

[Cap'n Cat]

You literally said you don't condone it as a method of birth control 2 posts ago. I was with you until you posted this. Close your legs, simple, if not, consequences. Such is life. People aren't held accountable for their actions enough anymore. Why do you think waiting til your married to have sex is such an effective belief? Obviously, in most cases, that will not happen, so you are playing russian roulette. If that bullet gets off, you're dead either way. I don't really think I'm going to convince you of my views, really just has to do with your contradiction. If you believe abortion is fine, I have no right to tell you otherwise, and the law doesn't either.


Sorry you actually said you aren't a fan of it.

That's the donk MANTRA, wide.

NOBODY is responsible. Or, better yet, the GOVERNMENT is responsible. IT's THEIR job to teach me my moral values.

Tired, cliche'd RushGurgitations, Z.

Equal to me claiming that all Conks want is a Leave It To Beaver, Father Knows Best whites-only existence.

[Cap'n Cat]

"Abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women."

-- Alice Paul, author of the original Equal Rights Amendment.

"The custom of procuring abortions has reached such appalling proportions in America as to be beyond belief...So great is the misery of the working classes that seventeen abortions are committed in every one hundred pregnancies."

Emma Goldman, "Mother Earth"

What a fvcking dolt. Stuck deep in the last century. A common problem with many Conks, espcially this troll.


Jesus Christ.


:rollhe

[AZGrizFan]

By outlawing abortion, aren't you essentially removing the responsibility of making a decision by decree? As well as practicing medicine via the government? I have no problem with not subsidizing abortion via federal tax dollars, but to completely eliminate it as a viable medical choice in certain situations is archaic and asinine.

As a pro-lifer, I completely concur.

As do I. I'm pro-choice....but, like marriage, I don't believe THIS is something we should pay our elected officials to worry about.

[Cap'n Cat]

Again, I have to propose this not-so-implausible scenario:

Your GF, spouse, etc is pregnant. Do you want her to have to register that pregnancy with the local authorities and have to submit to regular pregnancy "checkups' to verify its viability? Huh?

Suppose she miscarries, as nearly 80% of pregancies are apt to do, naturally? Are you gonna enjoy the pregnancy police coming to your door and grilling your woman as to what, exactly, happened to terminate the pregnancy? Huh? How long will she be questioned? Will she be waterboarded? What proof do you have to produce that it was a natural miscarriage? Does she then go on a pregnancy watch list for her next one if there are any questions or unresolved findings?

Don't laugh. Some anti-choicers would have this. How else are you going to enforce a ban? Will doctors be hesitant to treat pregnant women for fear of investigation? What, then, are the prospects for prenatal care any longer? How big is the pregnancy bureaucracy?


SMFH @ anti-choicers..........

[Col Hogan]

Again, I have to propose this not-so-implausible scenario:

Your GF, spouse, etc is pregnant. Do you want her to have to register that pregnancy with the local authorities and have to submit to regular pregnancy "checkups' to verify its viability? Huh?

Suppose she miscarries, as nearly 80% of pregancies are apt to do, naturally? Are you gonna enjoy the pregnancy police coming to your door and grilling your woman as to what, exactly, happened to terminate the pregnancy? Huh? How long will she be questioned? Will she be waterboarded? What proof do you have to produce that it was a natural miscarriage? Does she then go on a pregnancy watch list for her next one if there are any questions or unresolved findings?

Don't laugh. Some anti-choicers would have this. How else are you going to enforce a ban? Will doctors be hesitant to treat pregnant women for fear of investigation? What, then, are the prospects for prenatal care any longer? How big is the pregnancy bureaucracy?


SMFH @ anti-choicers..........

I'd love to see a link to back up that claim...that's some of the funiest stuff I've seen in a long time...

[AZGrizFan]

Again, I have to propose this not-so-implausible scenario:

Your GF, spouse, etc is pregnant. Do you want her to have to register that pregnancy with the local authorities and have to submit to regular pregnancy "checkups' to verify its viability? Huh?

Suppose she miscarries, as nearly 80% of pregancies are apt to do, naturally? Are you gonna enjoy the pregnancy police coming to your door and grilling your woman as to what, exactly, happened to terminate the pregnancy? Huh? How long will she be questioned? Will she be waterboarded? What proof do you have to produce that it was a natural miscarriage? Does she then go on a pregnancy watch list for her next one if there are any questions or unresolved findings?

Don't laugh. Some anti-choicers would have this. How else are you going to enforce a ban? Will doctors be hesitant to treat pregnant women for fear of investigation? What, then, are the prospects for prenatal care any longer? How big is the pregnancy bureaucracy?


SMFH @ anti-choicers..........

I'd love to see a link to back up that claim...that's some of the funiest stuff I've seen in a long time...

Christ on a crutch, that's exactly what I was thinking. You can't MAKE this shit up!

[JoltinJoe]

"Abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women."

-- Alice Paul, author of the original Equal Rights Amendment.

"The custom of procuring abortions has reached such appalling proportions in America as to be beyond belief...So great is the misery of the working classes that seventeen abortions are committed in every one hundred pregnancies."

Emma Goldman, "Mother Earth"

What a fvcking dolt. Stuck deep in the last century. A common problem with many Conks, espcially this troll.


Jesus Christ.


:rollhe

At least you've found a board you can't get banned from.

[JoltinJoe]

Again, I have to propose this not-so-implausible scenario:

Your GF, spouse, etc is pregnant. Do you want her to have to register that pregnancy with the local authorities and have to submit to regular pregnancy "checkups' to verify its viability? Huh?

Suppose she miscarries, as nearly 80% of pregancies are apt to do, naturally? Are you gonna enjoy the pregnancy police coming to your door and grilling your woman as to what, exactly, happened to terminate the pregnancy? Huh? How long will she be questioned? Will she be waterboarded? What proof do you have to produce that it was a natural miscarriage? Does she then go on a pregnancy watch list for her next one if there are any questions or unresolved findings?

Don't laugh. Some anti-choicers would have this. How else are you going to enforce a ban? Will doctors be hesitant to treat pregnant women for fear of investigation? What, then, are the prospects for prenatal care any longer? How big is the pregnancy bureaucracy?


SMFH @ anti-choicers..........

[catamount man]

WHERE IS ERIC RUDOLPH WHEN WE NEED HIM?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wedgebuster]

Oh shit, here comes the crazys.